Lipstick On A Pig
 

Can we just stick to the issues?? Why is the McCain camp getting worked up over this?? :doh:

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/10/politics/animal/main4433795.shtml]Lipstick On A Pig, By Steve Benen - CBS News[/url]

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Matty I think you have offical worn out the smiley face with his hand over his eyes. time to find a new go to. =)

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That's my go to smiley, and it just says it all.

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It's politics. McCain's almost certainly doesn't really believe it, but as long as they can get some voters to believe it that's what counts. You can certainly find examples of this from both sides.

Fact is, and it's unfortunate, the issues play such a small role for many voters in deciding who they will vote for in November.

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[quote=SmootSmack;474574]It's politics. McCain's almost certainly doesn't really believe it, but as long as they can get some voters to believe it that's what counts. You can certainly find examples of this from both sides.

Fact is, and it's unfortunate, the issues play such a small role for many voters in deciding who they will vote for in November.[/quote]

Yeah I know it's how it goes, I guess it's just one of many things that sours me on politics. Maybe I'm asking for too much, but it would be nice to see less smear campaigns, more focus on the real issues like the economy and education and not choice issues like abortion and gay marriage.

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Well, you know that I agree with you on that.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. There is only one person running that wears lipstick and she has been attacked 24/7 sense her name showed up as VP. So was it directed toward her to get some laughs? Maybe, or was it just a comment he made about McCain? Don't know, but he choose those words after all the Sarah bashing so why not use his own words against him. He is slipping in the polls and McCain is up by around 4% maybe we will see Obama is feeling the preasure.

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I worry that our soon to be leaders of the free world are bickering over something so stupid. I mean really!?! .... Come on! (rolling my eyes in disgust)

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[quote=firstdown;474593]I'm not sure how I feel about this. There is only one person running that wears lipstick and she has been attacked 24/7 sense her name showed up as VP. So was it directed toward her to get some laughs? Maybe, or was it just a comment he made about McCain? Don't know, but he choose those words after all the Sarah bashing so why not use his own words against him. He is slipping in the polls and McCain is up by around 4% maybe we will see Obama is feeling the preasure.[/quote]

You gotta be kidding? Obama isn't dumb enough to make a sexist remark on purpose. It is a common phrase that he used and it is being blown way out of proportion. I'd feel actually sorry for him if he actually was living up to his mantra of change but he isn't. His campaign is politics as usual and it is disappointing honestly. McCain's is similarly disappointing but not all together unexpected. Our system sucks.

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These clowns work like clockwork. When you think they can't get lower they'll surprise you with a kick to the balls.

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it's all a gotcha game.

look, obama voted party lines 97% of the time, mccain 85% (at least, before the massive pandering, but both sides have been doing it).

neither one is going to fix america - we still have big problems with economic impacts of social programs (SS, medicare), insane nuclear laws (we could make energy and transportation almost free if we wanted), way too many inmates per capita (vocational training? relocation?) and no one's really touching those things.

pre college education can probably be improved too... i know newt had some decent ideas there - i haven't really looked into it personally. obama's plan is better than nothing, but i really don't see all these teacher's he wants magically appearing. he wants more teachers AND to hold them to higher standards which doesn't work. ask the army about it...

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Well I don't know what he was thinking when he said this comment but we do know that only one person running for office wears lip stick. If the comment was about race everyone would assume it was about Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;474633]Well I don't know what he was thinking when he said this comment but we do know that only one person running for office wears lip stick. If the comment was about race everyone would assume it was about Obama.[/quote]

Yeah, but there are no racial remarks that are considered "common expressions"

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[quote=That Guy;474630]it's all a gotcha game.

look, obama voted party lines 97% of the time, mccain 85% (at least, before the massive pandering, but both sides have been doing it).

neither one is going to fix america - we still have big problems with economic impacts of social programs (SS, medicare), insane nuclear laws (we could make energy and transportation almost free if we wanted), way too many inmates per capita (vocational training? relocation?) and no one's really touching those things.

pre college education can probably be improved too... i know newt had some decent ideas there - i haven't really looked into it personally. obama's plan is better than nothing, but i really don't see all these teacher's he wants magically appearing. he wants more teachers AND to hold them to higher standards which doesn't work. ask the army about it...[/quote]
Well if he wants to hold teachers to higher standards then he is going to have to go after the teachers union which he is not going to do anytime soon. After a teacher has been in the system for over 4 to 5 years its about imposable to fire them unless they break a law. The Dems have fought hard against nuclear energy every chance they get.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;474637]Yeah, but there are no racial remarks that are considered "common expressions"[/quote]
Your right the "pig with lip stick" is very common and I hear it used everyday. Laugh, I'm sure its so common then Obama has a history of using this very common phrase before Sarah entered the race.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;474637]Yeah, but there are no racial remarks that are considered "common expressions"[/quote]

[URL="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014601.php"]Uppity[/URL]?

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[quote=firstdown;474646]Your right the "pig with lip stick" is very common and I hear it used everyday. Laugh, I'm sure its so common then Obama has a history of using this very common phrase before Sarah entered the race.[/quote]

Well, at least McCain did...

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[quote=firstdown;474646]Your right the "pig with lip stick" is very common and I hear it used everyday. Laugh, I'm sure its so common then Obama has a history of using this very common phrase before Sarah entered the race.[/quote]

Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it isn't common. Hell, dmek's signature has it and it's been there forever.

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If you listen to the entire speech from Obama, he also referenced a "old, dead fish" along with the "lipstick on a pig".

Let's see...OLD dead fish, LIPSTICK on a pig...who could be possible be referring to? If you listen to Obama's speeches, lately, he sounds like he's always trying to be a comedian instead of someone running for President. He could be a good one if he didn't stutter so much.

If you think this was an accident, you must believe THIS was also (towards Hillary Clinton):
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He's looking REALLY immature in the moments where he lets his true thoughts slip on occasion. You know, when he's not using a teleprompter.

Let's say someone refers to "big ears" without saying a name...we'd all know who was being referred to and you can bet Obama would be fired up about it. Senator Obama is just bitter that he got caught. He PAUSED after he said lipstick to get the cheers and laughs from the crowd. It was blatantly intentional.

Oh well, keep it up Obama, this is how you are sinking your campaign daily.


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He also said:

[QUOTE]"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing! It's time to bring about real change to Washington. And that's the choice you've got in this election."[/QUOTE]

I guess we should just assume that fish is code for old white man?

How is this even an issue with anyone? I guess it's ok for the McCain to use the lipstick on a pig expression when referring to Hilary, but as soon as Obama says it it must mean he's slamming Palin. Please.

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[quote=Mattyk72;474683]He also said:



I guess we should just assume that fish is code for old white man?

How is this even an issue with anyone? I guess it's ok for the McCain to use the lipstick on a pig expression when referring to Hilary, but as soon as Obama says it it must mean he's slamming Palin. Please.[/quote]
Did McCain sya this about Hillary?

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Real change...by choosing Biden as a running mate...hilarious. :D :D :D :D

Speaking of Senator Biden:

[url=http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=170853]Breitbart.tv » ‘Stand Up For Chuck’: Biden Makes a Save After Asking State Senator in Wheelchair to Stand[/url] :rofl:

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[quote=firstdown;474692]Did McCain sya this about Hillary?[/quote]

From the article:

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt. McCain said Clinton's proposal was "eerily" similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig," he said, "but it's still a pig."

I think it's pretty apparent Obama was referring to McCain, when talking about the "old fish". But, that's not the point. McCain having a problem with the "lipstick on a pig" comment is just the pot calling the kettle black.

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[quote=saden1;474663]Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it isn't common. Hell, dmek's signature has it and it's been there forever.[/quote]
obama personally ask me if it was OK to use that phrase:)
come on, guys. have we gotten to a point that we are so guarded in when we speak, that just about everything we say is offending someone? as far as Sarah Palin, the Dem's cannot say anything about her, without the G.O.P saying they are ripping her unfairly. or that it was a sexist remark. the fact is that Mrs Alaska is one heart beat away from RUNNING the United States. if we are going to grant her that luxury, don't we at least owe it to ourselves to find out alittle bit about her? im trying to figure out how scripted the debate between her and Joe Biden is going to be. because up till about 3 weeks ago, she said she hadn't been following the Iraq war very close. does anyone on this board actually have no problems with her running the country? an interesting side note. yesterday the McCain/ Palin ticket was here in Lancaster. Palin spoke first, for approx. 22 minutes. the John McCain spoke, for approx. 17 minutes. does this ever happen? who actually is the headliner on the ticket? the one thing that is most appalling about the election this year is that we, as Americans have sooo many issues that really need attention, and we are spending time worrying about offending someone. if she cant handle this kind of criticism, what happens when the big boys over seas start putting the pressure on her?

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[quote=Mattyk72;474572]That's my go to smiley, and it just says it all.[/quote]


Hey speaking of smilies, my favorite was the 'rolling eyes' smiley. What happened to that one?

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how dare him actually talk about the issues

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[quote=Beemnseven;474721]Hey speaking of smilies, my favorite was the 'rolling eyes' smiley. What happened to that one?[/quote]

:rolleyes: this one?

I like these too

:banghead::insane::vomit:

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[quote=dmek25;474704]obama personally ask me if it was OK to use that phrase:)
come on, guys. have we gotten to a point that we are so guarded in when we speak, that just about everything we say is offending someone? as far as Sarah Palin, the Dem's cannot say anything about her, without the G.O.P saying they are ripping her unfairly. or that it was a sexist remark. the fact is that Mrs Alaska is one heart beat away from RUNNING the United States. if we are going to grant her that luxury, don't we at least owe it to ourselves to find out alittle bit about her? im trying to figure out how scripted the debate between her and Joe Biden is going to be. because up till about 3 weeks ago, she said she hadn't been following the Iraq war very close. does anyone on this board actually have no problems with her running the country? an interesting side note. yesterday the McCain/ Palin ticket was here in Lancaster. Palin spoke first, for approx. 22 minutes. the John McCain spoke, for approx. 17 minutes. does this ever happen? who actually is the headliner on the ticket? the one thing that is most appalling about the election this year is that we, as Americans have sooo many issues that really need attention, and we are spending time worrying about offending someone. if she cant handle this kind of criticism, what happens when the big boys over seas start putting the pressure on her?[/quote]
Well she has been attack from all sides and just check my link to factcheck.org to see how much of what she is being attacked on is just lies. Its one thing to twist around what someone said like we see from both sides but it the personal attacks that have grown old. I see both McCain and Obama comercials that are misleading and are one sided. Thats just what happens now days.

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[quote=firstdown;474692]Did McCain sya this about Hillary?[/quote]

No.


THIS is why looking at context is always important.

McCain said it regarding Hillary's healthcare plan that she recycled and is proposing again after it went down in flames about a dozen years ago when she tried to push it into law as First Lady. NOT about a person.


This usage of it came a week after Sarah Palin made the joke "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Lipstick!"

NOT included in Obama's response to the uproar about his blatantly insulting comment: an explanation. He didn't say what he was talking about when he made the comment, he just criticized the McCain campaign and media for "taking out of context and making up a controversy."

No sir, it really doesn't look like it IS being taken out of context since you didn't tell us what the context really could be...

Democrats have taken to personally attacking Governor Palin and her family to destroy her since they can't debate issues with her (considering she has more experience than Senator Obama).



[URL="http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1"]http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-...4-b267282a1ce1[/URL]
[URL="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-palin-her-daughter-and-the-smear-machine/"]http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-p...smear-machine/[/URL]
[URL="http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223"]http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8...137/486/580223[/URL]
[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13050.html]Palin's unmarried daughter is pregnant - Mike Allen and Carrie Budoff Brown - Politico.com[/url]
[URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_froma_harrop/don_t_they_have_birth_control_up_in_alaska"]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...l_up_in_alaska[/URL]
[URL="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/17933/7330/417/579267"]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8...330/417/579267[/URL]
[url=http://www.usmagazine.com/news/bristol-dad-revealed]Usmagazine.com | News - BREAKING NEWS: Bristol Palin’s Baby Daddy Identified[/url]
[URL="http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/31/you-stay-classy-alan-colmes.php"]http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/...lan-colmes.php[/URL]
[URL="http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/26330-explosive_pics_vp_candidate_palins_daughter_is_wilder_than_britney__pics_of_her_and_her_girls_getting_drunk_and_kissing_each_other.html"]http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/263...ach_other.html[/URL] (confirmed not to be her)
[URL="http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.php/2008090140/latest/bristol-palin-gone-wild.html"]http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.p...gone-wild.html[/URL]
[URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6855265"]http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=132x6855265[/URL]
[URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3462698"]http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=102x3462698[/URL]
[URL="http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/08/30/bristol-palin-pregnancy-is-sarah-palin-s-baby-really-her-daughter-s.aspx"]http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famec...aughter-s.aspx[/URL]
[URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3886859#3886904"]http://www.democraticunderground.com...886859#3886904[/URL]
[url=http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5863]The Strata-Sphere » Blitzer & Situation Room Sink Into The Liberal Sewer - Updated[/url]
[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_bristol_palins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html"]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli..._open_sec.html[/URL]


[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true"]http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true[/URL]
[url=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/131049/6453]Daily Kos: Palin's Daughter Preggers.  Typical Evangelical Family Values.[/url]
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_122947.html[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nypost.com/seven/09022008/news/nationalnews/palin_teen_has_baby_on_board_127096.htm?page=2"]http://www.nypost.com/seven/09022008...096.htm?page=2[/URL]
[URL="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/29/caught-on-live-audio-the-media-sexist-insults-begin/"]http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/29...insults-begin/[/URL]
[url=http://www.memeorandum.com/080901/p60#a080901p60]memeorandum: To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant (Steve Holland/Reuters)[/url]





Democrats are also targeting her son with Down Syndrome:
[url=http://rightwingnews.com/#post12581]Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)[/url]
[B][url=http://downspalin.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-hayte-me.html]I Miss My Mommy: I Hayte Me[/url][/B]
[URL="http://townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2008/09/09/is_trig_at_the_heart_of_medias_reaction_to_palin"]http://townhall.com/columnists/MonaC...ction_to_palin[/URL]
[URL="http://townhall.com/blog/g/aee157bc-1357-43ea-82a7-9d8809bd637c"]http://townhall.com/blog/g/aee157bc-...7-9d8809bd637c[/URL]



THEN THERE WAS THIS:
Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number
[URL="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/02/breaking-democrats-release-sarah-palins-soc/"]http://www.redstate.com/diaries/reds...ah-palins-soc/[/URL]



Not surprising from people who don't care too much about the nation, or at least the flag:
[URL="http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-recycling/"]http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/...can-recycling/[/URL]

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Buster, you should be careful not to just link all Democrats together. You know that not all think alike. Yet your post (and if people didn't actually click on your links) makes it seem as though the Democratic Party is fully represented by insensitive, unpatriotic flag-burners.

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[quote=dmek25;474704]obama personally ask me if it was OK to use that phrase:)
come on, guys. have we gotten to a point that we are so guarded in when we speak, that just about everything we say is offending someone? as far as Sarah Palin, the Dem's cannot say anything about her, without the G.O.P saying they are ripping her unfairly. or that it was a sexist remark. the fact is that Mrs Alaska is one heart beat away from RUNNING the United States. if we are going to grant her that luxury, don't we at least owe it to ourselves to find out alittle bit about her? im trying to figure out how scripted the debate between her and Joe Biden is going to be. because up till about 3 weeks ago, she said she hadn't been following the Iraq war very close. does anyone on this board actually have no problems with her running the country? an interesting side note. yesterday the McCain/ Palin ticket was here in Lancaster. Palin spoke first, for approx. 22 minutes. the John McCain spoke, for approx. 17 minutes. does this ever happen? who actually is the headliner on the ticket? the one thing that is most appalling about the election this year is that we, as Americans have sooo many issues that really need attention, and we are spending time worrying about offending someone. if she cant handle this kind of criticism, what happens when the big boys over seas start putting the pressure on her?[/quote]
If she was running against Obama I would vote for her. Obama in my opinion does not have any more experience than she does. You don't need to give me a list of what he has done I know its just my opinion.

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buster, i have a great idea. why not put her out into the main stream, so people can actually talk to her. and ask her questions? that's part of the reason all this bull crap is happening. and its not just Dem's attacking personally. remember the Jeremiah Wright fiasco? or attacking obama's dad for being a Muslim? aren't they considered personal attacks? does Obama have a legit driver's license? or a united states birth certificate? the attack game goes both ways. i don't know about you, but i sick of hearing the same old recycled speech that Palin gave at the convention, over and over again. i really like to know where she stands on the real issues

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[quote=firstdown;474747]If she was running against Obama I would vote for her. Obama in my opinion does not have any more experience than she does. You don't need to give me a list of what he has done I know its just my opinion.[/quote]
so you would be fine with her being president? do you actually know her stance on any of the key issues? if you do, please share them

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This sure has gotten ridiculous huh

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This is ridiculous, both Dems and Republicans do the same thing every election. They smear each other til the end and then they congratulate the winner and go home. Politics....suck. It is what it is.

I would love it if a party ran for election and just talked about what they are going to do.

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[quote=dmek25;474749]so you would be fine with her being president? do you actually know her stance on any of the key issues? if you do, please share them[/quote]
Yes I pretty much know her stance But I'm still learning. I just know too much of Obama's stance so I'm not voting for him and unfortunatly McCain or Obama is all we have to choose from.

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Obama's response:

[url=http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/obama-on-gop-outrage-over-lips.html]TRAIL BLAZERS Blog | The Dallas Morning News[/url]

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I am a Palin supporter and I think this comment has been overblown. The Republicans needs to let this slide off their backs, be the bigger people in this case. Truth be told Sarah Palin could probably care less about the comment. She's a tough lady.
Politics is dirty and seems to get dirtier every year.

As a school teacher (I work with special needs kids) I agree with Firstdown, teacher unions need to be held to higher standards and bad teachers need to find new professions.

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“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative “f**king Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.

[url=http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=23600]» Palin, “So Sambo beat the Bitch!” Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.[/url]