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[quote=SmootSmack;487159]Discuss here[/quote]

Aw Smoot you got to it before me.

...Might wanna lock up/merge that other one I started. :smashfrea

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How's it going so far? I've missed a large chunk of it

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[quote=SmootSmack;487165]How's it going so far? I've missed a large chunk of it[/quote]

My honest opinion.. McCain is doing better than Obama. And I'm a Obama supporter. :doh:

Maybe it's just this townhall style thing. I can't stand it. I'd rather it just be a regular debate with a moderator.

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I think the pendulum has swung in Obama's favor these last few questions.

McCain has a lot of heroes though...Reagan, Roosevelt, Riggins

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[quote=SmootSmack;487174]I think the pendulum has swung in Obama's favor these last few questions.

McCain has a lot of heroes though...Reagan, Roosevelt, [B]Riggins[/B][/quote]

Our Riggins? If so, then there is something likable about the old man after all. :D

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[quote=DynamiteRave;487180]Our Riggins? If so, then there is something likable about the old man after all. :D[/quote]

Ha! I totally made the last part up though. It just went with the R theme :)

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Apparently that whole, "That one" comment did not make a bunch of people happy. People are starting to think that McCain is coming off as condescending and patronizing.

They also showed some reaction polls showing that Republicans did not like McCain's whole idea of buying all the bad loans. I Haven't seen a curve that bad that wasn't on a baseball field.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;487188]Apparently that whole, "That one" comment did not make a bunch of people happy. People are starting to think that McCain is coming off as condescending and patronizing.

They also showed some reaction polls showing that Republicans did not like McCain's whole idea of buying all the bad loans. I Haven't seen a curve that bad that wasn't on a baseball field.[/quote]

"that one" will go down as the YouTube moment for this year's election.

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"That one"? I missed that, explain

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[quote=SmootSmack;487191]"That one"? I missed that, explain[/quote]

McCain was talking about an energy bill I believe, he was making his point and then goes, "You know who didn't vote for the bill?", swivels and points his finger at Obama and goes, "That one. I voted for it."

I mean it was just distasteful. He could've just said, "Obama didn't vote for it."

The guy HAS a name. I mean it was just one of those moments where you slap your palm against your face and go, why? It felt awkward and a bit degrading to be referred to as "That one" like you're some thing.

As minor as some people may consider it, it felt like McCain sort of shot himself in the foot.

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Oh yeah, I heard that but had my back to the tv so didn't really notice. How was the eye contact?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;487188]Apparently that whole, "That one" comment did not make a bunch of people happy. People are starting to think that McCain is coming off as condescending and patronizing.

They also showed some reaction polls showing that Republicans did not like McCain's whole idea of buying all the bad loans. I Haven't seen a curve that bad that wasn't on a baseball field.[/quote]
Well they also showed the undecided curve goin up with that idea and thats who these debates are really trying to get. I myself do not like the idea but manu dems here hve said tats what needs to be done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;487196]Oh yeah, I heard that but had my back to the tv so didn't really notice. How was the eye contact?[/quote]

lol I wasn't paying attention. Was turned away from the TV.

But I think McCain was staring at the floor most of the time and rifling through his pockets and Obama was busy mourning the Cubbies getting sweeped.

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A discussion on the economy is not a good thing for McCain. As for his "that one" comment you guys make it sound like he said "that boy." It's not a big deal though it's not presidential. McCain is the usual McCain full of erroneous figures and talking about the usual (energy Independence, Obama raising taxes, and his famous "I know how to [insert some generic word of your choosing]"). Seems like Obama is holding nothing back and meeting McCain with fangs protruding.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;487193]McCain was talking about an energy bill I believe, he was making his point and then goes, "You know who didn't vote for the bill?", swivels and points his finger at Obama and goes, "That one. I voted for it."

I mean it was just distasteful. He could've just said, "Obama didn't vote for it."

The guy HAS a name. I mean it was just one of those moments where you slap your palm against your face and go, why? It felt awkward and a bit degrading to be referred to as "That one" like you're some thing.

As minor as some people may consider it, it felt like McCain sort of shot himself in the foot.[/quote]

"That one" :doh:

I thought it was pretty disrespectful

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The old man got totally pwned here I thought:

[QUOTE]"Senator McCain suggests that somehow, you know, I'm green behind the ears and, you know, I'm just spouting off, and he's sombre and responsible," Mr. Obama said.

"This is the guy who sang, ‘Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran,' who called for the annihilation of North Korea. That I don't think is an example of ‘speaking softly.'"

Mr. Obama was referring to an offhand remark Mr. McCain made in April 2007, when he responded to a question about the potential for military conflict with Iran by singing ‘Bomb bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran,' a variation on an old Beach Boys song.

Mr. McCain became defensive at the reference. "I hate to even go into this. I was joking with an old veteran friend, who joked with me, about Iran." [/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=866416]Gloves come off in second Presidential debate[/url]

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Seems that Obama was the clear winner tonight

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/horserace/entry4508356.shtml]CBS Poll: Uncommitted Voters Say Obama Won Debate - Horserace[/url]

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/who-won-the-debate-insta_n_132827.html]Who Won The Debate? Clean Sweep For Obama[/url]

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/07/cnn-poll-obama-won-the-night/]CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN Poll: Obama won the night « - Blogs from CNN.com[/url]

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If you watched the debate it's pretty difficult to say McCain won with a straight face.

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More thoughts on the debate:

* McCain says I'll bring the troops home with honor. WTF does that mean? Did he come back from Vietnam without honor?

* McCain said health care is a "responsibility." He got totally owned by Obama when Obama said it was a "right" and then proceeded to talk about his mom fighting her insurance company as she was dying of breast cancer. What about children with irresponsible parent? I guess they go without health care.

* Obama talks loudly eh? Use force but talk softly eh? I'm gonna act responsibly eh? Is this the same McCain who said he wouldn't meet with the president of Spain and wants to kick Russia out of G8. Who sang "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb." He got owned in that segment by Obama.


Obama killed tonight, better believe that and take it to the bank.

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It is going to be a long, long uphill climb for McCain. He needed a knockout performance and he didn't come close. Plus, he must know that at this point it's really not so much about what you say but how you say it. Debates aren't so much about your position on the issues (most know that by now), but more so your delivery and how (as saden puts it) "presidential" you look. Obama had the presence of a President tonight from what I saw and heard

Totally off topic, anyone find it strange that our possible future President smokes (albeit less so than in recent years, supposedly), considering all the knowledge about smoking these days.

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Didn't he quit smoking? I know he fell off a couple of times but my understanding is he doesn't smoke anymore.

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[quote=saden1;487217]Didn't he quit smoking? I know he fell off a couple of times but my understanding is he doesn't smoke anymore.[/quote]

I guess you're right. It's just the occassional drag

[url=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hw9jKmgB64XJykqYnrTCwp9kiZCAD93LUQHG1]The Associated Press: Obama wishes he had more time for staying fit[/url]

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IMO, McCain's answers sounded too canned. McCain's answers basically amounted to, "My friends. Bipartisan, reformer, maverick, reach across the aisle, voted for tax increases 94 times, reformed, special interests, reforming, independent. Thank you." Obama didn't do a fantastic job either, but his responses were more substantive.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;487224]IMO, McCain's answers sounded too canned. McCain's answers basically amounted to, "My friends. Bipartisan, reformer, maverick, reach across the aisle, voted for tax increases 94 times, reformed, special interests, reforming, independent. Thank you." Obama didn't do a fantastic job either, but his responses were more substantive.[/quote]

The thing is Obama didn't need to do a fantastic job really. This debate was much more important for McCain. He needed to have a decisive win tonight.

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it's probably obama's to lose... his margin is decent, but there are some times polls under-represent republicans. I assumed obama would have a stronger showing here than mccain would, and it sounds like that's about right. mccain suggesting 300bill$ for paying off other people's bad decisions seems utterly stupid to me.

I missed the debate, but it doesn't really matter, since i've already voted.

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VERY BORING debates............all of them
I personally, have seen no deal breakers on either side, and really........nothing that I can put my finger on that would make anybody change sides.

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I watched for around an hour in the middle. I lost a lot of respect for mccain after he repeatedly suggested that obama had just stated he wanted to attack packistan, when he said no such thing. Twice.

I think that's what started the whole "Hero is Roosevelt... Speak softly and carry a big stick thing"


Obama answered the question perfectly, suggesting that he would attempt a diplomatic solution, unless pakistan was unwilling or unable to capture al queda or bin laden in their country, in which case we would go in for al queda (spelling?). Never suggested attacking pakistani people. McCain just tried to put words in his mouth that weren't even close. It feels like he's really just trying to appeal to morons, and he skirted the response... Probably because he couldn't improve on obamas response, but had he just agreed or improved I wouldve respected him more.

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[quote=saden1;487206]A discussion on the economy is not a good thing for McCain. [B]As for his "that one" comment you guys make it sound like he said "that boy."[/B] It's not a big deal though it's not presidential. McCain is the usual McCain full of erroneous figures and talking about the usual (energy Independence, Obama raising taxes, and his famous "I know how to [insert some generic word of your choosing]"). Seems like Obama is holding nothing back and meeting McCain with fangs protruding.[/quote]

I thought this was blown way out of proportion. I know in my family we always kiddingly refer to each other as "that one." Really a pretty big reach in my opinion.

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[quote=saden1;487213]If you watched the debate it's pretty difficult to say McCain won with a straight face.[/quote]

I watched the entire debate and thought it was close but that McCain came out on top. To me, what won it for McCain was he kept coming back to experience, which he has and Obama does not. There's no real spin to that it's a fact and it's his one advantage. I liked how he brought up the fact that Obama has not introduced a single piece of legislation aimed at lowering taxes. I just didn't think Obama responded as well this time. And although I don't like McCain's healthcare plan, I thought he did a good job of explaining it in layman's terms. Obama has the far better plan but I don't think he explained it as well.

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[quote=That Guy;487227]it's probably obama's to lose... his margin is decent, but there are some times polls under-represent republicans. I assumed obama would have a stronger showing here than mccain would, and it sounds like that's about right. [B]mccain suggesting 300bill$ for paying off other people's bad decisions seems utterly stupid to me.[/B]

I missed the debate, but it doesn't really matter, since i've already voted.[/quote]

This was, to me, the far most important thing to come out of this debate. The idea of government buying up mortgages is insane. If the McCain camp is banking on that "big idea" to garner support, they're screwed.

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I was reticent about posting this, but what the hell. It is Youtube, so take from it what you will.
I found it interesting

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&eurl]YouTube - BTW I'm Voting For Mccain / Palin[/url]

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[quote=Hog1;487294]I was reticent about posting this, but what the hell. It is Youtube, so take from it what you will.
I found it interesting

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&eurl"]YouTube - BTW I'm Voting For Mccain / Palin[/URL][/quote]

LOL...he lost me at brain washing segment...he should have been at the Republican convention, they certainly needed him for diversity.

I must say though he was entertaining to watch....he certainly thinks outside the box though it's a box inside another box.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;487282]I watched the entire debate and thought it was close but that McCain came out on top. To me, what won it for McCain was he kept coming back to experience, which he has and Obama does not. There's no real spin to that it's a fact and it's his one advantage. I liked how he brought up the fact that Obama has not introduced a single piece of legislation aimed at lowering taxes. I just didn't think Obama responded as well this time. And although I don't like McCain's healthcare plan, I thought he did a good job of explaining it in layman's terms. Obama has the far better plan but I don't think he explained it as well.[/quote]

I guess you got what you wanted out of the debate, it's human nature. Unfortunately you're in the minority.

Obama has not introduced a single piece of legislation aimed at lowering taxes eh? What tax would like him to reduce?

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[quote=saden1;487302]I guess you got what you wanted out of the debate, it's human nature. Unfortunately you're in the minority.

Obama has not introduced a single piece of legislation aimed at lowering taxes eh? What tax would like him to reduce?[/quote]

Not really fortunate or unfortunate really. I do lean towards McCain, but I still consider myself undecided. There were pros and cons to both last night and I thought McCain did well. We'll see how the next one goes.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;487283]This was, to me, the far most important thing to come out of this debate. The idea of government buying up mortgages is insane. If the McCain camp is banking on that "big idea" to garner support, they're screwed.[/quote]

What's the better solution? Allow Wall Street to totally implode and watch as we enter the Greatest Depression?

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[quote=saden1;487299]LOL...he lost me at brain washing segment...he should have been at the Republican convention, they certainly needed him for diversity.

I must say though he was entertaining to watch....he certainly thinks outside the box though it's a box inside another box.[/quote]

Ergo,
take from it what you will......

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I watched some of the debate but I'm decided and they had the Skins on NFL replay. Even though Obama seems to have the lead its going to be a very tough election. I perfer McCain over Obama but I really don't like either one of them. My biggest issue the past couple of years has been taxes as it seems as a small business owner I pay and pay and pay. Then my CPA (I have very good CPA) does my taxes and I still owe more money. Obama's plan says a small business making under $250,000 will not see a tax increase but I think there are allot more people hit by this then what we hear. So if my business makes over $250,000 and I after paying all of my bills, employee's, etc... I end up bringing home $65,000 I'm getting a tax increase. Most small business owners I know gross more than $250,000 but bring home much less.

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[quote=firstdown;487330]I watched some of the debate but I'm decided and they had the Skins on NFL replay. Even though Obama seems to have the lead its going to be a very tough election. I perfer McCain over Obama but I really don't like either one of them. My biggest issue the past couple of years has been taxes as it seems as a small business owner I pay and pay and pay. Then my CPA (I have very good CPA) does my taxes and I still owe more money. Obama's plan says a small business making under $250,000 will not see a tax increase but I think there are allot more people hit by this then what we hear. So if my business makes over $250,000 and I after paying all of my bills, employee's, etc... I end up bringing home $65,000 I'm getting a tax increase. Most small business owners I know gross more than $250,000 but bring home much less.[/quote]

[B]If[/B] you have a Small (full time) business grossing less than 250k, your living on the street already. After expenses and tax's most business's won't have much left over.
If we are talking about personal income, over 250k. In OshKosh, that's probably pretty good loot. Not so in NYC, DC, either coast and much in between.
How does Barrack Hussein thinks that's fair, I wonder? He talks a lot about it. It seems much more fair if you are not in those groups, I imagine. These groups are already paying a whole lot more income tax than I am. Interesting concept of fairness Barrack has....
Actually, when you think about it, he's just a modern day Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor?

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[quote=Hog1;487351][B]If[/B] you have a Small (full time) business grossing less than 250k, your living on the street already. After expenses and tax's most business's won't have much left over.
If we are talking about personal income, over 250k. In OshKosh, that's probably pretty good loot. Not so in NYC, DC, either coast and much in between.
How does Barrack Hussein thinks that's fair, I wonder? He talks a lot about it. It seems much more fair if you are not in those groups, I imagine. These groups are already paying a whole lot more income tax than I am. Interesting concept of fairness Barrack has....
Actually, when you think about it, he's just a modern day Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor?[/quote]
Well in my area if you do not have hugh over head to run the business 250k could mean some nice income. If its a business with alottmore over head then your right it could mean your making close to nothing. I know some new business owners where the business grosses over $300,000 but with all their overhead as a new business are just getting by. They will be fine after they pay off some of their equipment and keep growing but from what I read that will put them in a higher tax bracket under Obamas plan even though they are just getting by. His own words is any small business making over $250,000 will pay higher taxes. He does not say if the owner is making over 250k they will pay higher taxes. When he says this 250k number people think he is talking about the bring home pay of the owner which is incorrect.