The official cut Torrence thread
 

Since we are cutting people.
We need to cut or bench Torrence. I'm tired of this guy. Every time I see this guy I think of the highlight of Moss catching a TD over his head. I know Moss is arguably the best receiver. But, I can't remember him doing anything positive. Ever. And as we all know he gave up the big play to the Rams rookie WR. If Smoot was it wouldn't have happened. I know its not all his fault but if he learns how to turn his head (a very basic skill most cb's in college posses) around then we might be complaining why we squeaked out a win to this horrendus team instead of losing to them.

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You can't blame this loss on Torrence. The guy has improved his play this year, he's definitely not a starter but is a decent backup. Everybody gets burned at sometime, are you going to cut all the players over mistakes made?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;489274]You can't blame this loss on Torrence. The guy has improved his play this year, he's definitely not a starter but is a decent backup. [B]Everybody gets burned at sometime[/B], are you going to cut all the players over mistakes made?[/quote]

Did you see last season? Torrence gets burned a lot. The guy is a solid special teamer but line him up against a WR and you better close your eyes and cross your fingers. He's pretty much the Ade of the Skins this season.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;489284]Did you see last season? Torrence gets burned a lot. The guy is a solid special teamer but line him up against a WR and you better close your eyes and cross your fingers. He's pretty much the Ade of the Skins this season.[/quote]

Yes I did, but I have also seen him improve from last year. Would you rather have Tryon or Torrence play right now?

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Ridiculous.

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I'd really like to know why Smoot wasn't out there...but Torrance has definitely improved his game from last year. A mental lapse is warrented here and there, but that was just piss poor timing on Torrance's part. However, that one play did not make or break the game.

I'd like to see what GTripp and Dillweed (postgameheroes.com) have to say about breaking down that play and see if there were any other breakdowns other than Torrance.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;489285]Yes I did, but I have also seen him improve from last year. Would you rather have Tryon or Torrence play right now?[/quote]

Well I definitely don't think he deserves to be cut, seeing as he's our only option. But he's by no means good. Or even decent he's just... There.

So yes, I'd rather have Torrence. But I'm still closing my eyes and crossing my fingers.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;489288]I'd really like to know why Smoot wasn't out there...but Torrance has definitely improved his game from last year. A mental lapse is warrented here and there, but that was just piss poor timing on Torrance's part. However, that one play did not make or break the game.

I'd like to see what GTripp and Dillweed (postgameheroes.com) have to say about breaking down that play and see if there were any other breakdowns other than Torrance.[/quote]

Smoot was dinged up

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i don't think they should cut him,but i do think there out to be a fireman on the sideline because he gets burned so often.i'd like to know why every db or safety seems to drop at least 2 ints every game? they must have dropped 3 or 4 yesterday.nobody's talking about it,but at least 1 could have changed the whole game around,especially the one that landry dropped after the skins scored that 1 st td.

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In the post game show, it was revealed that there was a missed assignment on the long pass. One of the safeties, most likely Horton, was supposed to blitz, that's why Torrence ended up in one on one coverage. If you recall, the St. Louis quarterback had a ton of time to pick out the receiver. Pressure in his face could have altered that play and most likely the game. Torrence has been average this season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;489293]Smoot was dinged up[/quote]

Thats starting to become a trend for Smoot. That poor guy can't stay healthy.

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I'm all for it, where do I sign...Seriously though, I honestly can't think of any play(s) that he has made since he's been here. His career highlight was a pass that was deflected by his helment and intercepted by Rogers against Arizona. He is just a body on our defense

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[quote=Mattyk72;489293]Smoot was dinged up[/quote]
...As usual

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;489297]In the post game show, it was revealed that there was a missed assignment on the long pass. One of the safeties, most likely Horton, was supposed to blitz, that's why Torrence ended up in one on one coverage. If you recall, the St. Louis quarterback had a ton of time to pick out the receiver. Pressure in his face could have altered that play and most likely the game. Torrence has been average this season.[/quote]

Horton and I think Moore failed to come close to doing their job on the play, from what I've heard.

Torrence is no better than a nickle cornerback, but he has improved significantly in the past year. That was an unfortunate play where he got crossed up. In almost all cases, the WR wins the underthrown ball battle.

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given the circumstances (bulger with time, being 1 on 1 with no help) i thought our 4th cb did a good job of covering avery on that play, avery just made a spectacular adjustment and catch.

just like arch deluxes last year and reed this year against witten, good coverage gets beat by a great throw and catch. it happens . . . .

about turning your head to find the ball in the air while your running full speed next to a guy . . . that is a very important skill that separates the best cbs from the average ones, rogers is just starting to be able to do that this year and it is the single biggest improvement in his game and the reason why he deserves serious pro bowl consideration. years past he would turn his head last second not find the ball and end up making contact early and drawing a PI.

this thread deserves to be over at extremeskins where extreme knee jerk reactions are the norm.

go skins!!

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On a separate note, I said it last off-season and I'll say it again this off-season

Nnamdi Asomugha

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[quote=SmootSmack;489317]On a separate note, I said it last off-season and I'll say it again this off-season

Nnamdi Asomugha[/quote]

I agree, but he won't be cheap.

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Torrence is pityfullllllllllllllllll

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[quote=SmootSmack;489317]On a separate note, I said it last off-season and I'll say it again this off-season

Nnamdi Asomugha[/quote]

I'm glad you can say it Smoot. I would'nt know where to begin.

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As you all were mentioning why was there no safety help? Did we blitz both safeties?

Since Torrence was in, we should've had Landry helping him out. But I guess we might've been doubling holt.

Torrence sucks, but is Smoot really all that better in coverage? Finally who else do we put in instead? It's not like we can have 4 Carlos Rogers on one team.

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moore was supposed to be blitzing and had a shot and didnt for some reason. busted play.

are we seriously calling out our 4th string cornerback? bloodthirsty bastards around here ain't we...

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;489396]moore was supposed to be blitzing and had a shot and didnt for some reason. busted play.

are we seriously calling out our 4th string cornerback? bloodthirsty bastards around here ain't we...[/quote]

Every time someone is hurt or makes a mistake, thats the way it is. I'm glad MY future is'nt left in some of these guys hands.

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lessons to be learned and sunday game aint no different..the skins had to show it on the field and they didn,t ........we win as a team and lose as a team ...yesterday we lost ..

'on to the next game..

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Last year I didn't think Smoot played all that well. Of course, I didn't think Carlos Rogers was the answer. But both those guys have played extremely well this year and it's a joy to watch them cover guys now. In the past, they tended to give the receivers too much room, and it was an easy ten yards for every team we played. But not this year; Greg Blatch has them playing closer to the line of scrimmage and the Redskins defense is harder to get a completion on now. Where is Richardson, the guy they cut during preseason? Did he catch on with someone else, or is he not as good as I thought he was? Torrence looked lost yesterday against the Rams.

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stupid thread. what FA could we get RIGHT NOW at vet min to do a better job and know our system? cutting him would just make our team worse, so why not look at the offense too for sucking it up and turning it over 3 times?

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just take it at face value.it is what it is,a missed assignment at the worst possible time.

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I don't blame Torrance for the Avery play. The pass rush must do a better job when they're rushing 4 linemen plus Horton. Bulger had nobody in his face, so it was an easy pitch and catch.

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Well I watched the play again and Torrence had pretty good coverage. The problem was the WR had the inside lane and with a short pass had Torrence blocked off from making any play at the ball. He was also looking back at the ball.

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[quote=Mattyk72;489293]Smoot was dinged up[/quote]

Cut both Torrence and Smoot.

Torrence shouldn't have been on the field in that situation.

If he was there because Smoot had a boo boo, then I blame Fred!
He pisses me off more then anyone else on the team (including Brooks). Does he know how to wrap a guy up and tackle?

We need Carlos out there coachin' those two up.

Damn Smoot. Ahhhh.

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[IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/smootparty.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Vulta121;489265]Since we are cutting people.
We need to cut or bench Torrence. I'm tired of this guy. Every time I see this guy I think of the highlight of Moss catching a TD over his head. I know Moss is arguably the best receiver. But, I can't remember him doing anything positive. Ever. And as we all know he gave up the big play to the Rams rookie WR. If Smoot was it wouldn't have happened. I know its not all his fault but if he learns how to turn his head (a very basic skill most cb's in college posses) around then we might be complaining why we squeaked out a win to this horrendus team instead of losing to them.[/quote]On review, he was actually in perfect position to defend the route, unfortunately Bulger just underthrew the ball, putting his WR in the best position. Torrence played it by the book and still lost.

If Landry had stayed deep, this isn't even an issue.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489579]On review, he was actually in perfect position to defend the route, unfortunately Bulger just underthrew the ball, putting his WR in the best position. Torrence played it by the book and still lost.

If Landry had stayed deep, this isn't even an issue.[/quote]

Thank you. No roster fire sale necessary. Torrence is blazing fast and his technique continues to progress (albeit a bit slowly). Cut him and what? Throw Tryon in there? No thanks.

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Just a thought does anyone think that [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Matteral_Richardson.jsp"]Matteral Richardson[/URL] would be and upgrade over Torrence. If Tryon can break the roster he should easily be able to as well. I thought he was our third best corner in the preseason and was upset that Tryon got a spot only because he was definitely a draft pick because he was outperformed by Richardson.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;489576][IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/smootparty.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

It looks like smoot and torrence are double covering the tight end...

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[quote=jamf;489599]It looks like smoot and torrence are double covering the tight end...[/quote]
Zing!

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[quote=jamf;489599]It looks like smoot and torrence are double covering the tight end...[/quote]

Very well played sir. LOL!

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I like how torrence is flicking off the camera, reminds me of my high school pictures lol..

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[quote=Vulta121;489265]Since we are cutting people.
We need to cut or bench Torrence. I'm tired of this guy. Every time I see this guy I think of the highlight of Moss catching a TD over his head. I know Moss is arguably the best receiver. But, I can't remember him doing anything positive. Ever. And as we all know he gave up the big play to the Rams rookie WR. If Smoot was it wouldn't have happened. I know its not all his fault but if he learns how to turn his head (a very basic skill most cb's in college posses) around then we might be complaining why we squeaked out a win to this horrendus team instead of losing to them.[/quote]

This thread is freakin stupid as hell. Let me ask you something. Is it impossible for you to give credit to Avery making a good play on the ball? Also Blache said someone missed the blitz call which gave Bulger extra time to throw the ball down field. Or what about Taylor or Carter not getting any pressure in that situation? You just can't go around cutting people cause they screw up. Sometimes the other guy just makes a better play on the ball. The Rams players get paid too. But it shouldn't even have come down to that. We beat ourselves on offense by turning the ball over.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489579]On review, he was actually in perfect position to defend the route, unfortunately Bulger just underthrew the ball, putting his WR in the best position. Torrence played it by the book and still lost.

If Landry had stayed deep, this isn't even an issue.[/quote]

Looked to me (also) that Landry got there just a step or two late, otherwise this would have been a sure INT. Torrence was def in perfect position and in the bigger picture he has improved vastly over last year IMO. He has learned how to cover (Lord knows he has the speed for it), now we'll see if he can take his skills to the next level and play the INTs.

That play was a bust because we got no pressure Bulger - give half the QBs in this league that much time and they're going to complete a pass. We need Torrence to step up his game but we also need the DL to get in there.

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Watching it live, I really thought Avery pushed off, but the replay shows that he just adjusted quicker, giving the illusion of pushing off.

At no point during the play was Torrence further than an arms length from Avery.

If anything, Springs should have been on the more explosive deep threat and Torrence should have been on Kennison. Again, I'm not sure that changes anything.