When Will Jason Taylor Produce???
 

I understand that Taylor has had both a sprained knee and a calf injury, but so far, I would argue that the D-line played it's most physical football when he was out against Dallas and Philly. I'm beginning to wonder how much we really needed Taylor when we could have gone to a committee at right DE with Evans and Wilson. On paper, rushing Taylor opposite Carter looked great, but we still don't get the the QB rushing just 4. If anything, sacks are down across the board.

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Yeah, and what about E James? Time for the Miami man to get busy.

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He has produced, maybe not as much in the sack dept. but he's rushed the passer, deflected some balls etc. then he got hurt.

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I don't think Jason will be any different then he is now. I think expectations were a little to high going in.

When he is on the field, he produces. He's not going to be a superstar for us, but he has as many sacks as anyone else on the team. I think he is better then Evans and Wilson.

Agree? What are your thoughts Souper?

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He will be an impact later in the season once he gets back to being 100%
Does anyone know about Erasmus James and his status?!?!

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Jason Taylor hasn't been healthy the past two weeks. He isn't the same player he was two years ago but when healthy he is still an top-tier pass rusher. He just needs to be healthy.

Also, I wouldn't anticipate Erasmus James would produce until possibly the latter half of this year if he is completely healthy.

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[quote=CA_Redskins;490576]I don't think Jason will be any different then he is now. I think expectations were a little to high going in.

When he is on the field, he produces. He's not going to be a superstar for us, but he has as many sacks as anyone else on the team. I think he is better then Evans and Wilson.

Agree? What are your thoughts Souper?[/quote]Evans is 30 lbs heavier and DEFINITELY better against the run than Taylor. The Giants went after Taylor with a vengeance in the first game, and Brandon Jacobs seemed to get 6+ yards every time he carried the ball. Taylor should be the best pass rusher on the team, but I just don't see that yet, probably due to the injuries. I believe that given his age, the D would get more production from Taylor as a designated pass rusher, playing Evans on obvious running situations to reduce Taylor's workload, and to keep his legs fresh.

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I think he'll produce more sacks once he is fully fit, or at least as fully fit as he'll get mid season. A knee and calf injury are going to reduce his acceleration out of his stance, and even if 90%, he'll not have enough power out of the blocks to breeze past linemen like he's used to. I say give him a bit of time to fully heal before writing him of.

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I thought he was on the right track before the calf thing. Gotta give him some time to work back from that.

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prior to the injury didnt he have a sack and several batted balls?

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Ya man he batted 3 balls down against the cards. And he had a sack against the saints. All of which was before that calf injury.

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How many threads can we have of "when will [insert new player name here] produce". Our D has been stingy, and our offense is quite good for a new head coach and system; why would anyone be rushed onto the field.
Lets Enjoy this 4-2 start, and if by the end of the 3rd quarter of the season we aren't seeing the newer faces producing then revisit this topic.

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Jason Taylor is not the defensive MVP player he once was. He is old for a full time starting DE. At this point in his career he is better suited to be a situational pass rush DE.
Keep the younger and stout Evans in on the other situations.
One thing the Redskins need to evaluate for next season is whether Taylor and his high salary/cap number is worth it for a part time player.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;490604]How many threads can we have of "when will [insert new player name here] produce". Our D has been stingy, and our offense is quite good for a new head coach and system; why would anyone be rushed onto the field.
Lets Enjoy this 4-2 start, and [B]if by the end of the 3rd quarter of the season we aren't seeing the newer faces producing then revisit this topic[/B].[/quote]If Taylor still hasn't made one or two game changing plays by the 12th game, that would be hugely disappointing given the hoopla and the high draft pick we surrendered to get him.

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[quote=Defensewins;490608]Jason Taylor is not the defensive MVP player he once was. He is old for a full time starting DE. At this point in his career he is better suited to be a situational pass rush DE.
Keep the younger and stout Evans in on the other situations.
One thing the Redskins need to evaluate for next season is whether Taylor and his high salary/cap number is worth it for a part time player.[/quote]

Didn't he have 11 sacks last year for a god awful team? I don't think he fell of the map as a full time DE in one season. He's got 24.5 sacks in the past two seasons. He's just knicked up. I think he can still produce at full-time high level.

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I want to be patient with this guy...but I think I remember we gave up a 2nd rounder for him....he better have 10 sacks this year or this move will likely be considered a mistake.

EJames on the other hand was a low risk/high reward move, considering his age.
I think this provides him a golden opportunity to beat out Taylor as a situational DE...assuming he can go.

Its just sad to say but, it is very likely that Taylor is a situational end....the exact opposite of who he was supossedly replacing (especially since we already have Wilson and James for passrushing...not to mention the rookie)

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I think this stuff about him being washed up, a situational player, is just ridiculous. I thought he was playing well and starting to settle into this defense before the setback with the calf, which was a freak thing. Can we ever just have a little patience?

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[quote=skinsnut;490614]I want to be patient with this guy...but I think I remember we gave up a 2nd rounder for him....he better have 10 sacks this year or this move will likely be considered a mistake.

EJames on the other hand was a low risk/high reward move, considering his age.
I think this provides him a golden opportunity to beat out Taylor as a situational DE...assuming he can go.

[B]Its just sad to say but, it is very likely that Taylor is a situational end....[/B]the exact opposite of who he was supossedly replacing (especially since we already have Wilson and James for passrushing...not to mention the rookie)[/quote]

Why is it very likely? He knee wasn't close to right in the Giants game. In the Arizona/NO games he had a sack and 4 tipped passes combined. No reason to think he can't still kill it when healthy. His calf will continue to improve. I could see his breakout game being against Dan Orlovsky and the woeful Lions in two weeks....

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[quote=SouperMeister;490581]Evans is 30 lbs heavier and DEFINITELY better against the run than Taylor. The Giants went after Taylor with a vengeance in the first game, and Brandon Jacobs seemed to get 6+ yards every time he carried the ball. Taylor should be the best pass rusher on the team, but I just don't see that yet, probably due to the injuries. I believe that given his age, the D would get more production from Taylor as a designated pass rusher, playing Evans on obvious running situations to reduce Taylor's workload, and to keep his legs fresh.[/quote]

Could be a good plan. I still think we need to see Taylor in action once his is back to 100%.

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[quote=Mattyk72;490615]I think this stuff about him being washed up, a situational player, is just ridiculous. I thought he was playing well and starting to settle into this defense before the setback with the calf, which was a freak thing. Can we ever just have a little patience?[/quote]

A 2nd and a 6th was given up for a player past his prime who makes a ton of money. People are not going to have patience. Look at the possible gems Vinny and co. found with Horton in the 7th round and Blades in the 6th. Those picks are valuable. Right now it looks like Miami got over on us. But despite having one of the worst pass rushing lines we don't give up a lot of points and that's the bottom line. I'm happy with our defense but not happy with the Taylor trade. We would have been just fine with Evans, Wilson, James and Jackson.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;490604]How many threads can we have of "when will [insert new player name here] produce". Our D has been stingy, and our offense is quite good for a new head coach and system; why would anyone be rushed onto the field.
Lets Enjoy this 4-2 start, and if by the end of the 3rd quarter of the season we aren't seeing the newer faces producing then revisit this topic.[/quote]

272 post and now your setting the agenda for this site? Maybe Matty can make you "Head Moderator Of Thread Topics". LOL

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[quote=skinsfan69;490631]A 2nd and a 6th was given up for a player past his prime who makes a ton of money. People are not going to have patience. Look at the possible gems Vinny and co. found with Horton in the 7th round and Blades in the 6th. Those picks are valuable. Right now it looks like Miami got over on us. But despite having one of the worst pass rushing lines we don't give up a lot of points and that's the bottom line. I'm happy with our defense but not happy with the Taylor trade. We would have been just fine with Evans, Wilson, James and Jackson.[/quote]

I'd prefer to wait til the end of the season to determine whether JT was worth it or not. Plus, he's going to be back next year, so I think it's premature to be making any hard conclusions about the trade. People were awfully quick to write off Andre Carter as a flop a few years ago.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;490604]How many threads can we have of "when will [insert new player name here] produce". Our D has been stingy, and our offense is quite good for a new head coach and system; why would anyone be rushed onto the field.
Lets Enjoy this 4-2 start, and if by the end of the 3rd quarter of the season we aren't seeing the newer faces producing then revisit this topic.[/quote]

Maybe people are just bored, I dunno. But there definitely seems to be a lot of nitpicking going on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;490652]Maybe people are just bored, I dunno. But there definitely seems to be a lot of nitpicking going on.[/quote]
I thought nitpicking only went on in the parking lot. LOl

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[quote=Mattyk72;490651]I'd prefer to wait til the end of the season to determine whether JT was worth it or not. [B]Plus, he's going to be back next year, [/B]so I think it's premature to be making any hard conclusions about the trade. People were awfully quick to write off Andre Carter as a flop a few years ago.[/quote]

I hope you're right.

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[quote=Mattyk72;490652]Maybe people are just bored, I dunno. But there definitely seems to be a lot of nitpicking going on.[/quote]

We just lost to the worst team in the NFL at home. Of course we're going to nitpick! :-)

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I think Jason would be more productive on the right side.

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the whole line is'nt playing that well when it comes to sacking the qb,not just JT.
how many sacks does the whole team have?around 5?

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[quote=GMScud;490618]Why is it very likely? He knee wasn't close to right in the Giants game. In the Arizona/NO games he had a sack and 4 tipped passes combined. No reason to think he can't still kill it when healthy. His calf will continue to improve. I could see his breakout game being against Dan Orlovsky and the woeful Lions in two weeks....[/quote]

My opinion:
If the man struggles against the run....and that is half of the job of a D end...and if what you are saying is true....it means, he does well in passing "situations".
That is my definition of a situational DE.

I sure hope you are right...but many of us were saying when we picked him up that he is awefully small in combo with Carter on the end...and being in a run heavy division with the cowgirls and the giants...that could be a factor....and if he starts getting injured...like he has been...the best way to keep him healthy is to rotate him to limit his snaps....
To me, its kinda like Jansen vs the pass...just not as radical.

You know his weakness...you know it will be exploited...you need to play him accordingly.

Of course I will give him several more games before I say he is weak against the rush...but, you can't be suprised about this thread based on his size and performance to date.

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What's with our team and freaking calf injuries??!! Are there protective pads for calves??

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[quote=Ruhskins;490721]What's with our team and freaking calf injuries??!! Are there protective pads for calves??[/quote]

Given the nature of the sport, it's unusual for this type of injury, in so much as most injuries occur through face to face challenges. Even tackling from behind is unlikely to impart an impact injury on the rear of the calf. It was just one of those things with JT.

As to pads for calves? Please tell me that's not a serious question?

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Shaun Alexander has not scored a touchdown yet. We need to cut him. What a waste of money.

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I think the most important thing is that Jason Taylor play more then just this year. As long as he does and returns to form even some what I will be happy.

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I'm fairly pleased with the way he has played this season. He is on a new team so I was going to give him until at least mid-season before I passed judgment, but since he's all nicked up I think I will have to wait until the playoffs at least.

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yea man.....we need a multiple sack game outta this guy already. itll come though, hes been hampered by his first injury to put him out of games period. hell break loose when we need him to.

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The guy hasnt been healthy for a single game yet so I think its safe to say that he will produce when he's healthy. Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody could predict how the line would play so it was a good move to get JT when he was available.

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When he is healthy. I think he feels a lot of pressure to be the DPOY again, but he won't get close if he can't move. He should sit a couple more weeks and come back for the DallASS game, just in time to put NFC East qb's on their butt

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is it just me, or does it appear he has lost some size? i remember this guy being massive in stature. he looks like hes campbells size now. maybe dancing with the stars caused him to lose some weight?

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[quote=deathGRINDx;491002]is it just me, or does it appear he has lost some size? i remember this guy being massive in stature. he looks like hes campbells size now. maybe dancing with the stars caused him to lose some weight?[/quote]

But at the same time, being on dancing with the stars saved his season. That knee injury in the preseason would have been the end of most players careers. We need to get Malcolm Kelly on Dancing with the Stars.

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Jason Taylor is producing. You have to remeber that he played for one team for his whole career. Not only did the team center its defensive scheme around his skills but also he is not a straight up run stopper either. His best quality is that he sets the edge. Meaning he is very good at keeping runs inside the linbackers to prevent big runs around the corner. This also shuts down screens and reverses. It would be great to get two sacks a game from him but I would rather have him forcing runners into London Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh. The batted balls are a reflection of what he does well. And most importantly as an ex-athlete I will say this once again: YOU CAN'T FAIRLY JUDGE AN ATHLETE UNTIL HE IS 100% HEALTHY. Anything outside of 100%, the player should be comended for playing through pain. The guy could've lost a leg for Christs sake. It's a long season. We're 4 - 2. Lets just cheer these guys on and hope everyone stays healthy and focused on the task at hand!