Who's More Important: Moss or Samuels
 

This may fall into the category of pointless debate, but what the hell, these can be fun to think about.

With both Samuels and Moss questionable for tonight's game, hanging onto knee and hammy ailments respectively, who's absence would have a bigger impact on the Redskins?

Feel free to consider just for this particular game or for an extended period.

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thos week i would say moss due to the inexperience of the rookies and we are facing a steelers defense that will slam the box and limit portis

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Good question. Speaking about tonight only, if I had to pick one I'd rather have Samuels in the lineup. I think if he's given the time Campbell should be able to dish it around effectively enough, but if he's pressured consistently from the blindside it's not going to matter much who's playing WR.

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For me, it's kind of a catch-22. It's tough to get the ball to Moss if Campbell doesn't have time and the passing game suffers if Moss isn't drawing double coverage.

That being said, if I'm forced to pick one for tonight, I'd say Samuels. While Moss is amazing, there are other receivers who have to step up.

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I'll take Samuels anyday of the week.

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Short term Moss, long term Samuels.

You can scheme blocking for at least one week. After that you need a solid presence at left tackle so that someone doesn't scheme your scheme.

If Moss was out for one night, it would greatly hurt the way that we move the ball through the air. After a couple of weeks however, we would find a way to get the ball into the hands of other playmakers.

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im confident in heyer tonight though if samuels cant go,

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[quote=Mattyk72;496582]Good question. Speaking about tonight only, if I had to pick one I'd rather have Samuels in the lineup. I think if he's given the time Campbell should be able to dish it around effectively enough, but [b]if he's pressured consistently from the blindside it's not going to matter much who's playing WR.[/b][/quote]

Exactly.

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Last year Bugle did a good job at getting players ready when coming in for injured players. With that said we have a back up for Samuals but we don't for Moss.

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over the course of a season, i'd say samuel's contribution is more key. but in a single game, i think moss' presence is missed more.

the lack of a deep threat is huge.

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The answer is Samuels. Without Moss, the deep pass leaves the offense, but that can be overcome. Without Samuels, the deep pass leaves the offense, as well as running the ball to the left, and also converting on third downs.

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Tonight, against this defense, I'd rather have Samuels. We're gonna need to run the ball. Not Heyers strongest point. Plus Jason has other receivers to throw to if he's not on his back. Maybe if the burden was put on Thomas he would step up. Hopefully they can both give it their best shot with the bye coming up.

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good question. i say Samuels. without time to throw, Jerry Rice could line up tonight, and be a non factor

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[quote=GTripp0012;496593]The answer is Samuels. Without Moss, the deep pass leaves the offense, but that can be overcome. Without Samuels, the deep pass leaves the offense, as well as running the ball to the left, and also converting on third downs.[/quote]

I do agree that you lose a ton trying to run to the left without Samuels, which has absolutely been our bread and butter.

But do you really lose that much in pass protection with Heyer? Samuels is better, no doubt. But I can't use just the Detroit game to judge Heyer at LT. He's done a real good job at times when pass blocking, albeit from the right side most of the time. I guess I'm saying you take a step down from Samuels to Heyer in pass protection, but I don't think you develop a complete weak link there.

So I don't think the deep pass automatically goes bye bye with Samuels out. But I think losing the success in running to the left that all by itself makes Samuels more important than Moss. We friggin gut teams when we run left, it's how Portis has gotten most of his yardage (which leads the friggin league).

Tonight, I think a Samuels absence would CRUSH us (their pass rush is insane and their run D is already good enough with Heyer's ineptitude there to aid them). Over the long haul, Samuels's absence would hurt more than Moss, but only slightly.

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Tonight, we need to pressure Big Ben, and we have other guys to be weapons for Campell, so I'd say samuels.

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[quote=Schneed10;496605]I do agree that you lose a ton trying to run to the left without Samuels, which has absolutely been our bread and butter.

But do you really lose that much in pass protection with Heyer? Samuels is better, no doubt. But I can't use just the Detroit game to judge Heyer at LT. He's done a real good job at times when pass blocking, albeit from the right side most of the time. I guess I'm saying you take a step down from Samuels to Heyer in pass protection, but I don't think you develop a complete weak link there.

So I don't think the deep pass automatically goes bye bye with Samuels out. But I think losing the success in running to the left that all by itself makes Samuels more important than Moss. We friggin gut teams when we run left, it's how Portis has gotten most of his yardage (which leads the friggin league).

Tonight, I think a Samuels absence would CRUSH us (their pass rush is insane and their run D is already good enough with Heyer's ineptitude there to aid them). Over the long haul, Samuels's absence would hurt more than Moss, but only slightly.[/quote]You lose a ton with Heyer in there. Heyer can protect well enough right now to handle RT. At LT, he's totally overmatched (this year, at least).

You also have to start Jansen (as opposed to Heyer) on the other side, but at least that's not the side that causes those sack/strip turnovers.

It's a matchup that a defense can exploit on us, and if the Lions can exploit it, I'm confident that every other team in the league also can.

Randle El's not the deep threat can replace Moss, but obviously, we can still create big plays in the passing game without Moss. The loss of Moss would hurt us most because the opponent wouldn't have to keep a safety deep and totally out of the running game, but Cooley could still get open, and so could Randle El. Plus, it would open up a place in the starting lineup to get some critical playing time for one of our younger guys (probably Devin Thomas).

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Yeah... Heyer at LT was pretty bad. He blew quite a few plays. Most of the pressure and sacks were right on his side/his gaps.

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if samuels does'nt play,we lose.it's that simple.heyer sucks,and JC will feel it all nite if CS is'nt playing.i think we'll have a hard time winning without santanna too!

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[quote=GTripp0012;496626][B]You lose a ton with Heyer in there. Heyer can protect well enough right now to handle RT. At LT, he's totally overmatched (this year, at least).[/B]

You also have to start Jansen (as opposed to Heyer) on the other side, but at least that's not the side that causes those sack/strip turnovers.

It's a matchup that a defense can exploit on us, and if the Lions can exploit it, I'm confident that every other team in the league also can.

Randle El's not the deep threat can replace Moss, but obviously, we can still create big plays in the passing game without Moss. The loss of Moss would hurt us most because the opponent wouldn't have to keep a safety deep and totally out of the running game, but Cooley could still get open, and so could Randle El. Plus, it would open up a place in the starting lineup to get some critical playing time for one of our younger guys (probably Devin Thomas).[/quote]

I agree, in fact I can't believe we're even debating if there's a drop off in pass pro from Samuels to Heyer at LT.

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Samuels. I don't trust Stephon Heyer at all to protect Campbell's backside. He was damn near seriously injured last time we played these Steelers last preseason when Heyer was playing on that side. With Moss, we have a proven James Thrash and a rookie Devin Thomas with great potential. We also have Chris Cooley and Fred Davis. So, I'd rather have Samuels in the game more than Moss.

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They will both start

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Yeah just saw that, thank god!

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I gotta go with Samuels cause simply put if we can run, We can beat anyone.

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Id rather have the gamebreaker in the lineup. Is it me or does Chris get a hell of alot of penalties? Every false start and hold was him last night.

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I give both guys credit for toughing it out last night, but they were clearly limited with their injuries. Hopefully the BYE will help.

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Campbell looked lost without Moss out on the field...almost like he didn't know what to do with the ball. That is, when he had time to decide. Both Samuels and Jansen got roughed up last night.

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Samuels. The game is won mostly up front. Without good tackle play you don't run and you don't pass, making Moss superfluous.

Sadly, last night, we did not get that good tackle play.