Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again
 

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Blache__Springs__Hall_to_Start_29536.jsp"]Blache: Springs, Hall to Start[/URL]

I'm not sure what word I can use to describe my feelings, but I guess I could say I'm somewhat intrigued by this move.. Rogers have been pro bowl year this year (IMO) - however he plays really good when he's playing man on man.. Not so well in cover.. But does this move would really help defense? Beside the intercept part..

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I'm not really sure what to make of this. Maybe they want to check Hall out before resigning him or maybe send Rogers a message about holding on to the ball. Possibly both.

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Honestly I'm not surprised. The coaches know that Synder will throw more money at Hall given his "big name" and playmaking ability. They are clearly sending the message to Rogers or whoever that [B]Hall[/B] is the #1 CB [B]not[/B] Rogers. Whether its unfair or not I personally think Hall has outplayed Rogers to start. It will be interesting if they re-sign both because I think this move tells me their #1 priority is to sign Hall this offseason.

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GB is putting who he thinks will do the best job on the field. He could give a crap about next year.

I like CR. He's had a very good year. He hasn't looked good recently though. He literally feel asleep last week on that TD throw. He wasn't even ready. I don't know what he was doing. That's enough to get you benched. He's done that before too. It's like he loses interest or something.

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[quote=53Fan;513654]I'm not really sure what to make of this. Maybe they want to check Hall out before resigning him or maybe send Rogers a message about holding on to the ball. Possibly both.[/quote]

I think it's the former

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Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.

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[quote=GridIron26;513638][URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Blache__Springs__Hall_to_Start_29536.jsp"]Blache: Springs, Hall to Start[/URL]

I'm not sure what word I can use to describe my feelings, but I guess I could say I'm somewhat intrigued by this move.. Rogers have been pro bowl year this year (IMO) - however he plays really good when he's playing man on man.. Not so well in cover.. But does this move would really help defense? Beside the intercept part..[/quote]

I posted this in another thread but:

I think that Rogers recent struggles are part of the reason why Hall is getting the start.
Rogers play seemed to decline after that dropped pick against the Steelers. He later gave up an easy TD to Holmes using off coverage on the goaline:doh:(I wonder if it was the defense design to be in off-coverage, but i don't understand why he would play off-coverage near the goaline).
Got toasted on a double move in the Ravens game when he was in 0 coverage and knew he wouldn't have safety help.
Then against the Bengals he was on the goaline in off coverage:doh: and barely put up a fight and gae up a fade route TD.

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Got toasted on a double move in the Ravens game when he was in 0 coverage and knew he wouldn't have safety help.
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I put no blame on rogers for that play. Our defense blitzed everyone and mason still had plenty of time to do a double move. If you are covering someone and you know that your defense is blitzing everyone, you would think that the quarterback would be sacked or throw the ball away in a matter of a couple seconds.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;513664]Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. [B] I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy.[/B] The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.[/quote]

What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.

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I think the fact that Springs (not just Hall) starting over Rodgers shows that something must be going on behind the scenes with CR and the coaching staff. Springs has two games left as a Skin and Rodgers is locked up for a few more years if I am not mistaken. There is no reason to play Springs over Rodgers IMO unless Rodgers has a bad attitude or isn't giving 100% in practice.

To me, it looked like he basically gave up on the TD last week. Didn't he also kind of blame the coaches for the TD he gave up against the Ravens as well?

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[quote=vallin21;513678]What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy.I don't think they "love the guy" [B]they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately[/B].[/quote]

I think that's the case. I remember when Hall was signed there was plenty of talk about how the egos in the secondary would handle the addition of another pro-bowl caliber player. Maybe Rogers hasn't handled it well and it shows through his play. You'd hope it would work the other way around and we'd see him stepping up rather than falling off.

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[quote=GMScud;513685]I think that's the case. I remember when Hall was signed there was plenty of talk about how the egos in the secondary would handle the addition of another pro-bowl caliber player. Maybe Rogers hasn't handled it well and it shows through his play. You'd hope it would work the other way around and we'd see him stepping up rather than falling off.[/quote]

Thats a good point. I agree Rogers must not be taking the Hall signing as a good thing (and his play is showing it). As of now he is losing out on a new contract with us to Hall.

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This is exactly what is wrong with the Redskins. Why would you bench a young corner and let a guy who never comes to the off season work outs, is the highest payed guy on the team, is rarely ever healthy in the time he has been here, and has never been willing to modify his contract for the good of the team. The season is over and if we keep Springs next year it would be more stupid then cutting Liegh Torrence. So why would you play him, the only reason I can think of is the coaches are worried about thier jobs.

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It's pretty simple, Hall and Springs can catch, Rogers can't. Hall makes plays, Rogers doesn't. I've got no issues with this. I'd be fine with D. Hall as our #1 CB going forward. If Rogers resigns he'd be better as a #2.

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[quote=vallin21;513657]Honestly I'm not surprised. The coaches know that Synder will throw more money at Hall given his "big name" and playmaking ability. They are clearly sending the message to Rogers or whoever that [B]Hall[/B] is the #1 CB [B]not[/B] Rogers. Whether its unfair or not I personally think Hall has outplayed Rogers to start. It will be interesting if they re-sign both because I think this move tells me their #1 priority is to sign Hall this offseason.[/quote]

I agree. Hall has been more of a playmaker in the month he's been here than Rogers has in 3 years. At this point, I agree resigning hall is the #1 priority in the offseason. There is no reason to resign Rogers any time soon. let him continue to play out his rookie contract. If he and Hall prove to be a good starting tandem next year, then we can think about extending him during the season. I beleive the rules regarding a potentially uncapped 2010 would result in Rogers not becoming a FA until 2011 anyways.

On a side note, Rogers has been struggling with some kind of illness that just wont go away - so i think that is closely related to his recent performance drop.

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[quote=Paintrain;513711]It's pretty simple, Hall and Springs can catch, Rogers can't. Hall makes plays, Rogers doesn't. I've got no issues with this. I'd be fine with D. Hall as our #1 CB going forward. If Rogers resigns he'd be better as a #2.[/quote]

Thats how I see it

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This is a wake-up call for Rogers. It's sad to think that if Fred Smoot hadn't gone to Minnesota, we probably would have drafted DeMarcus Ware or Shawne Merriman instead of Rogers, and we would have a much stronger D today with one of those dominant pass rushers. I like Hall and hope that we resign him. At least he has decent hands. Rogers has dropped AT LEAST 75% of the INT opportunities that have hit his hands since coming here. Blache must be thinking enough is enough, either start concentrating on making the catch first, or you can play nickel corner until you figure it out.

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[quote=Paintrain;513711]It's pretty simple, Hall and Springs can catch, Rogers can't. Hall makes plays, Rogers doesn't. I've got no issues with this. I'd be fine with D. Hall as our #1 CB going forward. If Rogers resigns he'd be better as a #2.[/quote]

I agree with this post.

I don't believe Rogers is a free-agent. Hall is, though.

Rogers is very good at blanketing revievers and making tackles. He has bad hands though.

He is playing as the third corner though. THat means he's the guy who gets in if/when Springs goes down.

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It's funny how alot of people want us to get rid of Springs but as soon as he is healthy he is our #1 CB.

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I am not so surprised with starting Hall. Since he joined the team, I have been pleasantly surprised with his play.

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I had mentioned this before once, but I teach in Chesapeake,Va (where DHall is from) as a special edcuation teacher and my assistant's son is good friends with DHall and she said that DHall was talking about how the guys didn't exactly warm up to him right away. She didn't elaborate, but I'm sure he's gotten a little bit of a cold shoulder considering we had 3 corners who all think they are great starters (which is a fine thing for someone to think).

But regardless, I also mentioned before that DHall JUMPED at signing with us because he grew up a diehard Skins fan. You all DO realize he got the same league min offer from NE and the G-Men right? (Hopefully this will give us even a SLIGHT discount this offseason) To me... I am ALL for re-signing a guy who WANTS to be a part of Redskins history, plus he really has played as good as Rogers/Smoot, so...

Anyway, one funny thing she said was how some of the guys that do talk to him were giving him a hard time after the Plaxico Burress thing because Burress is from this area as well as the Vick brothers, Iverson, etc. They said to DHall something in the regards of... man, you fit in with those other "757 F***ups."

I thought that was pretty funny.

Also...

DHall was a beast playmaker on offense in high school. I really do think they could utilize him on offense as a Joshua Cribbs or Devin Hester type and still give him a break on defense because of the quantity of corners we have.

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I agree that Blache probably doesn't feel like Hall has done anything to deserve being taken out of the starting lineup, but we could start Hall AND Rogers, so these Hall vs. Rogers arguments are totally ridiculous.

This is a coaching decision to keep Rogers out of the starting lineup. Blache has been uncharacteristically short with the media on this one.

One thing for sure is that there is more to this one than meets the eye. Because Springs might be in his final two games as a Redskin. It doesn't make a whole deal of sense to bench your future to keep a guy who is going to be gone in there.

I have a bad feeling about this one. Hopefully, we don't end up losing two good cover guys to sign a career underachiever.

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[quote=vallin21;513678]What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.[/quote]

I think one of the things about Hall is, his reputation proceeded him and there is still some doubt. I was one of the guys who wasn't to sure about Hall because I've watched him since highschool. But to be completely honest, up to this point I've been impressed with both his behavior and ball skills. I think his coverage is a little suspect at times, but as you said, he hasn't been getting beat deep or given up TD's. I think we should resign him to a reasonable contract unless he shows a reason not to between now and the end of the season.

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He's done a good job not getting beat deep. But his problem in Oakland (I think) had to do with his cushion.

Rogers started to struggle a little bit when we went to man. He took care of Torry Holt, but he's struggled this year against receivers bigger than him: Plax, Braylon Edwards, Calvin Johnson, Dominick Hixon (for some reason), and Chris Henry/Chad Johnson. He's been money in zone coverage all year though.

Which is why I can tell you that Blache is probably just going to blitz the crap out of the Eagles, and McNabb is going to kill Hall and Springs. Because we won't get anywhere near him.

And then I will call for him to be fired/step down.

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I agree, if you put Hall in the position to make the picks that CR dropped during our winless streak , we'd still be in the hunt....

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[quote=vallin21;513678]What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.[/quote]


thank you

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[quote=Eknox;513919]I agree, if you put Hall in the position to make the picks that CR dropped during our winless streak , we'd still be in the hunt....[/quote]

That and if the offense had made something out of those picks. I could be wrong, but I think all of DHall's picks have not been turned into points by the offense.

I think DHall is going to give us a hometown discount, I think he's learned that going have big money doesn't equate to much (i.e. him going to Oakland). Any other player would have gone to NYG or the Pats (as someone mentioned it in this thread).

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Thats what I think to. There's no way Synder is going to let him walk. He truly wants to be a Redskin.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;513664]Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. [B]Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.[/B][/quote]

I think a much larger mistake would be paying Rogers big money, and if the FO knows that is the bottom-line scenario nothing is amiss here. Rogers is not a top CB. Many corners cover their receivers just as well, tackle just as well, but the difference is they also have human hands instead of horse hoofs. I've said before I think Rogers must be kind of a moron because after all these years he cannot get his hands around the ball (indicates extremely poor eye-hand coordination) and because he is good for one or two plays a game where he somehow watches neither the ball nor the QB :doh:. We absolutely cannot pay Rogers big money... if the FO does it means bad things man. Bad things.

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[quote=jamf;513889]It's funny how alot of people want us to get rid of Springs but as soon as he is healthy he is our #1 CB.[/quote]

The problem is he's never healthy and he's unwilling to restructure even though he's getting older. Rogers and Hall are our future and I think at this point with having to resign Los they should keep him happy.

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Turns out Rogers started

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I think Springs, Hall, and Rogers all started

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[quote=SmootSmack;514117]I think Springs, Hall, and Rogers all started[/quote]

Yes, I think it's pretty good idea.. Considering Westbrook's speed..

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[quote=GridIron26;514172]Yes, I think it's pretty good idea.. Considering Westbrook's speed..[/quote]

Springs ended up starting for Horton I think

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[quote=SmootSmack;514246]Springs ended up starting for Horton I think[/quote]

I see.. Do u know any particular reason why he started for Horton? I thought Horton have been playing well?

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[quote=SmootSmack;514117]I think Springs, Hall, and Rogers all started[/quote]
correct, with springs starting at safety though

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[quote=GridIron26;514264]I see.. Do u know any particular reason why he started for Horton? I thought Horton have been playing well?[/quote]
probably in case the eagles tried to get cute and go long right off the bat, then they'd phase horton in once they went nickel or something

I dunno, didn't catch the exact time.. had kareem moore in for a bit as well

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[quote=tryfuhl;514324]probably in case the eagles tried to get cute and go long right off the bat, then they'd phase horton in once they went nickel or something

I dunno, didn't catch the exact time.. had kareem moore in for a bit as well[/quote]

Oh well, whatever I ain't complaining cuz it worked..

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cant lie, hall looked pretty solid tonight. his ability to run full speed with a guy and be able to turn his head and track the ball in the air is nice.

go skins!!

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Did'nt Springs start at FS and Landry at SS? I think that's why Horton did'nt start.