What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

The primary reason I'm thinking about this is because there are four big-time former NFL coaches who will probably be looking to return to coaching next season and I don't think you-know-who can resist hiring a big-name Head Coach. The coaches to whom I'm referring are Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan.

To try to answer my own question, I think that, at a minimum, Jim Zorn will need to take this team to the playoffs to keep his job. But that might not be enough. If we back into the playoffs as a wildcard and lose in the first round, I think that Zorn may still lose his job.

I'm suggesting that, with people who Dan Snyder will undoubtedly view as better coaches available, that the bar may be set unrealistically high for Jim Zorn this season.

Other than Zorn guiding the Skins to the second round of the playoffs, there is one other faint hope for DS retaining Zorn and thus maintaining continuity. That is, Snyder could hire Mike Holmgren in an executive capacity to oversee both Vinny and Jim Zorn and to serve as a close advisor to both of them. That might even work.

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I really don't want any of those four coaches here, and SFRedskins had said that San Fran was looking at Holmgren. Unless Zorn just fails completely this year, meaning primarily unable to adapt through the season, then I would want him to get at least this year and next.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;556794]I really don't want any of those four coaches here, and SFRedskins had said that San Fran was looking at Holmgren. [B]Unless Zorn just fails completely this year, meaning primarily unable to adapt through the season, then I would want him to get at least this year and next.[/B][/quote]

I agree with you but I fear that Dan Snyder may lack the patience to stick with Zorn when there are big-name coaches available.

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Don't forget about Russ Grimm!

And I've said this before and I'll say it again................For Zorn to be successfull has to learn how to run the football and protect his quarterback. I know he was a quarterback at one time, but he should know that throwing the ball every time doesn't work. It never has. And if you are going to throw the ball he should know that the wide recievers need a few seconds to get open. So................you have to give Jason those few seconds. If you don't, then your system sucks and you should watch games on TV.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556796]I agree with you but I fear that Dan Snyder may lack the patience to stick with Zorn when there are big-name coaches available.[/quote]

Well, I suppose I [B]ought[/B] to just agree to disagree now, before we have a long re-hash of the FO. But, dang it the urge is just primal.
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Can you show an example that backs up your fear? Every coach that has been fired, has been for cause, except Marty possibly.

When DS hired Zorn, he had to know that the guy had never even been an OC, and would need time to grow into the role.

a lot of naysayers that make the comment about DS firing Zorn, also seem to say that no big name coach will come here. (KI I don't know if you had held both those positions, but it seems to me that that is the typical line of people who generally dislike the FO). If the big 4 would not come here anyway, why would we not keep JZ.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556792]The primary reason I'm thinking about this is because there are four big-time former NFL coaches who will probably be looking to return to coaching next season and I don't think you-know-who can resist hiring a big-name Head Coach. [B]The coaches to whom I'm referring are Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan[/B].

To try to answer my own question, I think that, at a minimum, Jim Zorn will need to take this team to the playoffs to keep his job. But that might not be enough. If we back into the playoffs as a wildcard and lose in the first round, I think that Zorn may still lose his job.

I'm suggesting that, with people who Dan Snyder will undoubtedly view as better coaches available, that the bar may be set unrealistically high for Jim Zorn this season.

Other than Zorn guiding the Skins to the second round of the playoffs, there is one other faint hope for DS retaining Zorn and thus maintaining continuity. That is, Snyder could hire Mike Holmgren in an executive capacity to oversee both Vinny and Jim Zorn and to serve as a close advisor to both of them. That might even work.[/quote]

Can people PLEASE stop the Cowher talk??? He's not going to coach here. This man worked for the Rooney's who have one of the best operations going in the NFL. Why would he come and work for Snyder? As for the other guys the only one I could see coming here is Gruden. For the sake of continuity I hope Zorn doesn't get fired, regardless of how the season turns out.

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I say at least give the guy 3 years, according to management he doesn't even have a franchise QB that topped with being a new coach should earn him at least 3 years as long as there is improvement on the previous year. I like Zorn and you have to admire a guy who would take on a D Snyder ran team for his first head coaching gig.

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No matter what happens, if Zorn is fired after this season the FO is more screwed-up than we think it is.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;556800]...

a lot of naysayers that make the comment about DS firing Zorn, also seem to say that no big name coach will come here. (KI I don't know if you had held both those positions, but it seems to me that that is the typical line of people who generally dislike the FO). If the big 4 would not come here anyway, why would we not keep JZ.[/quote]

for an example of the above, please see next post in thread! LOL

[quote=skinsfan69;556803]Can people PLEASE stop the Cowher talk??? He's not going to coach here. This man worked for the Rooney's who have one of the best operations going in the NFL. Why would he come and work for Snyder? As for the other guys the only one I could see coming here is Gruden. For the sake of continuity I hope Zorn doesn't get fired, regardless of how the season turns out.[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;556800]Well, I suppose I [B]ought[/B] to just agree to disagree now, before we have a long re-hash of the FO. But, dang it the urge is just primal.
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Can you show an example that backs up your fear? Every coach that has been fired, has been for cause, except Marty possibly.

When DS hired Zorn, he had to know that the guy had never even been an OC, and would need time to grow into the role.

a lot of naysayers that make the comment about DS firing Zorn, also seem to say that no big name coach will come here. (KI I don't know if you had held both those positions, but it seems to me that that is the typical line of people who generally dislike the FO). If the big 4 would not come here anyway, why would we not keep JZ.[/quote]

I think that DS was rash in firing both Norv and Marty because he wanted a coach that he found more appealing (Marty and then Spurrier).

Norv took the team to the playoffs the year before he was fired when the Skins hosted a wildcard game and lost by only 1 point in the 2nd round. The year he was fired, the Skins lost a lot of close ones.

After making many changes, Marty took the team to an 8-8 record with [I]Tony Banks[/I] at QB. The team was clearly on the upswing, but DS was in love with Spurrier.

I'm not a compulsive FO basher. I think Vinny and his staff are capable. I dislike the way in which DS appears to insert himself into personnel decisions.

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[quote=skinsfan69;556803]Can people PLEASE stop the Cowher talk??? He's not going to coach here. This man worked for the Rooney's who have one of the best operations going in the NFL. [B]Why would he come and work for Snyder?[/B] As for the other guys the only one I could see coming here is Gruden. For the sake of continuity I hope Zorn doesn't get fired, regardless of how the season turns out.[/quote]

Money.

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Let's face the facts. Zorn as long as he improves should stay and this would obviously provide a more comfortable atmosphere for the players to develop in the offensive schemes. Too much change can build resistance and be devastating to any plan. Blache just carried on the prior years defensive scheme and it has kept us in the top 5 defenses for a couple of years now.
In the draft, we went defense to bolster our sack record. Our defense was ranked 4th overall which wasn't so aweful that we needed to address defense so much again this year, but the offensive line which provides a QB time to throw the big plays, or a RB to break the big plays was not really addressed except for a few small additions in free agency. This has put Zorn as a victim of DS and Vinny's ego of wanting notariety with defensive production. You may say that defenses win championships but that is not the entire truth. Without a strong offense to put points up on the board when the defense stalls an opposing offense, you'll still go nowhere and your D will eventually get tired thus giving up points.
The FO (DS and Vinny) have rolled the defensive dice to try and produce the winning edge. They saw other teams that went far into the playoffs and beyond and bought into the grand picture instead of seeing the whole needs in a championship team.

Keep Zorn and develop your players. Also give the offense (LINEMEN) talent to be more productive. The FO did it with the defense so why not the offense if winning is their top priority!

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10-6 or going to the playoffs. Also, the offense would have to be in the top half of the NFL. All of these things, barring massive injuries to our team.

I'll go on the record and say that I think Snyder has improved in terms of his willingness to let coaches build/implement their system/brand here with the Skins. We can all thank Joe Gibbs for that. I think that the FO will give Zorn a minimum of 3 years to make this thing work. I believe that Danny is honestly fond of him. We'll see!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556807]I think that DS was rash in firing both Norv and Marty because he wanted a coach that he found more appealing (Marty and then Spurrier).

Norv took the team to the playoffs the year before he was fired when the Skins hosted a wildcard game and lost by only 1 point in the 2nd round. The year he was fired, the Skins lost a lot of close ones.

After making many changes, Marty took the team to an 8-8 record with [I]Tony Banks[/I] at QB. The team was clearly on the upswing, but DS was in love with Spurrier.

I'm not a compulsive FO basher. I think Vinny and his staff are capable. I dislike the way in which DS appears to insert himself into personnel decisions.[/quote]

Fair enough, I think Norv's firing at the time was imminent regardless of Marty. A funny thing about Marty is he had said on air he would never work for Snyder, maybe Danny felt a need for the challenge. As for Marty's firing, I agree that was a low moment, and DS should not have been rash like that. But still both those were early on, and I tend to think he has matured as an owner. Again, the only way we will know is time.

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For Jim Zorn to keep his job he MUST show improvement. I'm not saying he needs to win the super bowl, but he needs this team to improve, especially on the offensive end. If we don't average in the 20's point wise -- I think he's gone.

The big names out there will definitely be calling. Unfortunately, I think Snyder would go after Cowher. I simply don't think he's that good of a coach. He had some great teams in Pittsburgh -- he also had some woeful teams. He would be a terrible fit in DC. If we do fire Zorn I would hope for Holmgren (probably wouldn't come after we fire his boy) and Shenehan (I butchered his name, but love him as a coach.)

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The team has to show progress. I think his job is safe as long as the team doesn't take a major step backwards. If that happens I think it's safe to assume we could be looking at a new HC and QB next year.

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I agree,Cower & Shanahan were with there teams forever,and Green Bay stuck with Holmgren.They all need time,Gruden beat a QB that he coached up.Who knows were we would have gone with Mighty Marty,he certainly changed the culture at the time.I can understand how norv 7 years of bad luck can make it hard to weather the storm.Lets stick with our guy!!!

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I hope Zorn can solidify his job this season but if the team regresses then i do think he and JC are gone after the season. If we do go after a new HC i would like to see us go get a OC from N.O or S.D. to fill the spot as HC. both teams are good on offense and do more with less as in terms of talent. Brees is a very good QB but i couldnt name a single WR from the Saints squad yet they led the league in O. and they dont really have a good RB or Oline.

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Improvement. A sense that we're on the right track. Competitiveness as a team.

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[quote=redskingrove;556812]Let's face the facts. Zorn as long as he improves should stay and this would obviously provide a more comfortable atmosphere for the players to develop in the offensive schemes. Too much change can build resistance and be devastating to any plan. Blache just carried on the prior years defensive scheme and it has kept us in the top 5 defenses for a couple of years now.
In the draft, we went defense to bolster our sack record. Our defense was ranked 4th overall which wasn't so aweful that we needed to address defense so much again this year, but the offensive line which provides a QB time to throw the big plays, or a RB to break the big plays was not really addressed except for a few small additions in free agency. This has put Zorn as a victim of DS and Vinny's ego of wanting notariety with defensive production. You may say that defenses win championships but that is not the entire truth. Without a strong offense to put points up on the board when the defense stalls an opposing offense, you'll still go nowhere and your D will eventually get tired thus giving up points.
The FO (DS and Vinny) have rolled the defensive dice to try and produce the winning edge. They saw other teams that went far into the playoffs and beyond and bought into the grand picture instead of seeing the whole needs in a championship team.

Keep Zorn and develop your players. Also give the offense (LINEMEN) talent to be more productive. The FO did it with the defense so why not the offense if winning is their top priority![/quote]
Lets see we have CP who was ranked where in the NFL this year? The SB was won with how many points? Now Zorn is a victim? How do you know it was not Zorn giving the final OK to bring in players or who we drafted?

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I think the Oline will be better this season.
we got Haynesworth and RAK to bolster the passrush

We need Thomas,Kelly and Davis to step up this season. I believe Randle EL needsto go. for the money he is making he doesnt produce much IMO.I hear Marko is doing well so far.

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If you think Zorn is calling the shots with only two years now as a HC, then you have bumped your head really hard. Main point.....if you continue to change the schemes of a team all the time without letting systems work kinks out and without giving the coaches the tools they need (right players) to get the job done, every coach would fail; not just Zorn. It is obvious that the FO is going in one direction when it comes to adding players to build on than what the offense needs to accomplish.

Try working on your car's engine with Playschool tools if you have any doubts.

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PPL act like DS is firing HC's left and right. He brought in Spurrier when he got here,at the time many teams had tried to lure him out of the college ranks.Spurrier resigned and he went back to Gibbs. who re-retired so he brought in Zorn. so its not like he is giving HC's a short leash, they either resign or retire. which cant be put on the owner.

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Yeah I doubt playoffs means anything. What if our D plays amazing and gets a ton of turnovers and our offense struggles; we make it to the second round but lose because we can't score(hm, when has this happened before?). IMO, Zorn gets cannned.

I still think if we don't make the playoffs and our offense is putting up good numbers and JC becomes CONSISTENT then Zorn stays.

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[quote=redskingrove;556842]If you think Zorn is calling the shots with only two years now as a HC, then you have bumped your head really hard. Main point.....if you continue to change the schemes of a team all the time without letting systems work kinks out and without giving the coaches the tools they need (right players) to get the job done, every coach would fail; not just Zorn. It is obvious that the FO is going in one direction when it comes to adding players to build on than what the offense needs to accomplish.

Try working on your car's engine with Playschool tools if you have any doubts.[/quote]

Hello B-Mitch! Seems like you have a ton of free time now, huh?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556808]Money.[/quote]

We've posted about this many times all ready. If it was just about money then we would've had one those big names you mentioned. Snyder has put such a bad coaching cloud over the club that coaches don't want to come here IMO.

They could've gotten Cowher and some other "big name" guys. We were a Cowher kind of team anyway, defensive football that is focused on the run.

Money wasn't the issue, it's control. Zorn said so in so-many words when he said he had no choice in picking FAs or in the draft. He might have put his two cents in, but that's it. All of the big name guys are going to want to have the power to steer the club in the direction they feel will allow them to win.

I don't think Holmgren would come to a club that just fired Zorn. Cowher probably already turned us down. Shanahan would want the kind of control that he had in Denver. Chucky, eh . . . maybe, maybe not? If they fire Zorn the FO is f'ed up for sure.

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i dont want a old HC to come in for a 2-3 yr paycheck. if Zorn falters lets get a young hopeful who can stick around. Id like to see Zorn make it but we have to show improvement this season. he has a rep of being a great QB coach and he needs JC to step up and lead this team.

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JC has all of the talent you need in a QB, but i feel he has trouble makin quick reads and if he doesnt breakout soon we may see a change at the position. The Coltists will be out in full force if he continues to do well in OTA's and preseason and JC starts to stumble

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556807]I think that DS was rash in firing both Norv and Marty because he wanted a coach that he found more appealing (Marty and then Spurrier).

Norv took the team to the playoffs the year before he was fired when the Skins hosted a wildcard game and lost by only 1 point in the 2nd round. The year he was fired, the Skins lost a lot of close ones.

After making many changes, Marty took the team to an 8-8 record with [I]Tony Banks[/I] at QB. The team was clearly on the upswing, but DS was in love with Spurrier.

I'm not a compulsive FO basher. I think Vinny and his staff are capable. I dislike the way in which DS appears to insert himself into personnel decisions.[/quote]

We could probably do without another rehashing of the Norv drama, but my reaction is always knee-jerk when I see Snyder criticized for it. The fact is that Norv accomplished the not-so-common feat of keeping his job after failing to make the playoffs for five consecutive seasons (Jeff Fisher did too, but Norv hasn't accomplished anything in his post-Redskins days that would indicate that he was a Fisher in the making before getting axed). His teams consistently lost close games, and the environment at Redskins Park during his reign was, as Sonny consistently said, of the Club Med variety. He brought the team to the playoffs in year six, but only after Snyder told him that he was finally going to be accountable for the team's success (or lack thereof)--Norv did not have this fear during the two-plus years the ownership was in question after JKC's death. In year 7, the team was, yet again, underachieving, despite the chance it still had at a playoff berth. Most notably, during the game after which he was fired (the Giants game at FedEx), Pam Oliver reported on the sidelines the stark contrast in the Giants v. Redskins benches. She reported in the SECOND HALF that the Redskins bench was dead, while the Giants' bench was fired up. Blame the players if you will for their own failure to get fired up about a late season home game against a division rival with playoff implications, but there was nothing surprising about it given the team's head coach. For me, the most memorable incident in the Norv years was Marvcus Patton bitching out Gus on the sidelines in season opener against the Giants in the Meadowlands in 1998. Patton was tired of the failure of the coaching staff to get in a player's grill for stupid mistakes, and the guy had to take matters into his own hands.

I could go on, but as I said, this is really a very old story that could probably do without a rehashing. Simply put, the one thing I refuse to blame Snyder for is the firing of Norv. To me, that was the one brash/rash move he's made that I thought was completely justified.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556808]Money.[/quote]

Sorry but there are other teams that will pay him and there are other teams that will give him full contol. A guy like Cowher will never work for Snyder. Neither will Mike H. What happened to the last strong head coach that worked here? Got fired after one year. The only strong HC that can work for Snyder is/was Gibbs.

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This year's team has to be better than last years team.

Simple, ain't it.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;556884]We could probably do without another rehashing of the Norv drama, but my reaction is always knee-jerk when I see Snyder criticized for it. The fact is that Norv accomplished the not-so-common feat of keeping his job after failing to make the playoffs for five consecutive seasons (Jeff Fisher did too, but Norv hasn't accomplished anything in his post-Redskins days that would indicate that he was a Fisher in the making before getting axed). His teams consistently lost close games, and the environment at Redskins Park during his reign was, as Sonny consistently said, of the Club Med variety. He brought the team to the playoffs in year six, but only after Snyder told him that he was finally going to be accountable for the team's success (or lack thereof)--Norv did not have this fear during the two-plus years the ownership was in question after JKC's death. In year 7, the team was, yet again, underachieving, despite the chance it still had at a playoff berth. Most notably, during the game after which he was fired (the Giants game at FedEx), Pam Oliver reported on the sidelines the stark contrast in the Giants v. Redskins benches. She reported in the SECOND HALF that the Redskins bench was dead, while the Giants' bench was fired up. Blame the players if you will for their own failure to get fired up about a late season home game against a division rival with playoff implications, but there was nothing surprising about it given the team's head coach. For me, the most memorable incident in the Norv years was Marvcus Patton bitching out Gus on the sidelines in season opener against the Giants in the Meadowlands in 1998. Patton was tired of the failure of the coaching staff to get in a player's grill for stupid mistakes, and the guy had to take matters into his own hands.

I could go on, but as I said, this is really a very old story that could probably do without a rehashing. Simply put, the one thing I refuse to blame Snyder for is the firing of Norv. To me, that was the one brash/rash move he's made that I thought was completely justified.[/quote]

Norv is a good coach and I think he's proven that over the years. He just needs a team that is mostly filled with vets and self starters/motivators. If he doesn't have that then he's useless. SD seems to be a good fit for him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;556909]Norv is a good coach and I think he's proven that over the years. He just needs a team that is mostly filled with vets and self starters/motivators. If he doesn't have that then he's useless. SD seems to be a good fit for him.[/quote]

Turner is not a good coach, in my opinion, and one stat makes me say that. In games decided by less than 7 pts this season, he was 2-6. For his career that stat is about the same, at one point he was 3wins 21 losses in games decided by one score. He can win when the talent he has beats the opponents, but when it is close, and coaching comes into play, his teams lose. It has been that way with us, with Oakland, and with SD. Sorry, no love for Turner here.

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LOL Turner is a good coach, he just needs a team full of vets that can run itself with minimum coaching and supervision. LOL good one

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[quote=Mattyk72;556913]LOL Turner is a good coach, he just needs a team full of vets that can run itself with minimum coaching and supervision. LOL good one[/quote]

So you don't think Norv is a good NFL offensive coach? Sorry but I'm going to give Norv credit when credit is due. He may not have been the right coach when he was here cause that was a MAJOR rebuilding job. And no one does good at Oak. But he's been solid at SD. Rivers has turned into a top tier NFL QB and he's taken that offense to another level. He's gotten them to the playoffs two straight years and won playoff games. That's something Marty could not do. The guy got a good year out of Alex Smith for crying out loud. Norv can coach, but as I said he's not the coach for a young team. I bet if you stuck Norv in at NE they wouldn't miss a beat....as long as you had the vets, strong GM and defensive coordinator.

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[quote=skinsfan69;556918]So you don't think Norv is a good NFL offensive coach? Sorry but I'm going to give Norv credit when credit is due. He may not have been the right coach when he was here cause that was a MAJOR rebuilding job. And no one does good at Oak. But he's been solid at SD. Rivers has turned into a top tier NFL QB and he's taken that offense to another level. He's gotten them to the playoffs two straight years and won playoff games. That's something Marty could not do. The guy got a good year out of Alex Smith for crying out loud. Norv can coach, but as I said he's not the coach for a young team. I bet if you stuck Norv in at NE they wouldn't miss a beat....as long as you had the vets, strong GM and defensive coordinator.[/quote]

Good coordinator, medicore head coach.

Norv would ruin NE pretty quick, let's not kid ourselves. Saying NE wouldn't miss a beat is a pretty big insult to Belichick, who despite being hated by most fans is a pretty damn good coach, one of the best in fact.

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[quote=Mattyk72;556919]Good coordinator, medicore head coach.

Norv would ruin NE pretty quick, let's not kid ourselves. Saying NE wouldn't miss a beat is a pretty big insult to Belichick, who despite being hated by most fans is a pretty damn good coach, one of the best in fact.[/quote]
Spot on.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;556920]Spot on.[/quote]

Been watching some Hell's Kitchen I see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;556918]So you don't think Norv is a good NFL offensive coach? Sorry but I'm going to give Norv credit when credit is due. He may not have been the right coach when he was here cause that was a MAJOR rebuilding job. And no one does good at Oak. But he's been solid at SD. Rivers has turned into a top tier NFL QB and he's taken that offense to another level. He's gotten them to the playoffs two straight years and won playoff games. That's something Marty could not do. The guy got a good year out of Alex Smith for crying out loud. Norv can coach, but as I said he's not the coach for a young team. I bet if you stuck Norv in at NE they wouldn't miss a beat....as long as you had the vets, strong GM and defensive coordinator.[/quote]
Sorry, Marty built the team Norv is using, and last year the barely made the playoffs, DESPITE playing in an extremely weak division. Norv, is a good OC, but a terrible HC. Same with Wade Phillips, except he is a very good DC. From the comments this has been discussed many times.

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[quote=GTripp0012;556901]This year's team has to be better than last years team.

Simple, ain't it.[/quote]

Much too simple. Zorn had better make the playoffs if he hopes to stick around.