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Imagine that Daniel Snyder thrown under the bus again


'Snyder is a good businessman and spares no expense with one of the most profitable franchises in sports. But maybe that's the problem: The young billionaire runs the team more like a first-time fantasy-football manager. Among the most expensive outlays: nearly $225 million committed to [B]LaVar Arrington[/B], [B]Bruce Smith[/B], [B]Deion Sanders[/B], [B]Lavernues Coles[/B] and [B]Adam Archuleta[/B]. Not one is still with the team and Washington hasn't come anywhere near the Super Bowl. Think Snyder learned his lesson? This past offseason, he locked up three players -- [B]Albert Haynesworth[/B], [B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] and [B]Derrick Dockery[/B] -- for a combined $162 million. To make matters worse, he became one of the first owners to charge fans to attend training camp. '


[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/05/08/nfl.owners/index.html]Robert Kraft, Rooney Family rank among NFL's best owners - NFL - SI.com[/url]

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Jesus talk about beating a dead freakin horse

[quote]To make matters worse, he became one of the first owners to charge fans to attend training camp.[/quote]

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at the time most of those signings made alot of sense. hindsight is always easy to question.

hey the Jets paid how much to get Favre last season? how much did they pay him? and how did they do? i guess their owner is bad
Saints gave a entire draft for ricky williams. how did that go?

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For another perspective (this is from last summer)

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-ownersrankingsparttwo072308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Owner rankings, Part 2: Kraft's no joke - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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3. Washington Redskins – Daniel Snyder: When most fans hear Snyder’s name, they blurt out words to describe him that might not be suitable for network television. Here’s the first one that comes to my mind: Awesome. Snyder generates revenue like a money-printing machine (his team ranks first in the NFL, at a reported $312 million, and is also atop the league in sponsorship dollars), happily spends it to improve his franchise and makes his players – you know, the ones who destroy their bodies on Sundays for the pleasure of the masses – feel pampered and appreciated. He is the closest thing to former 49ers boss Eddie DeBartolo, and eventually he’ll get the rings to prove it.

What went down Sunday at Redskins Park tells you all you need to know about Snyder’s ownership style. While attending the Skins’ first practice of training camp, Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato winced as veteran defensive Phillip Daniels went down with a knee injury. On their way to lunch in the cafeteria, they learned that Daniels had suffered a season-ending torn ACL. After sitting down with coach Jim Zorn and defensive coordinator Greg Blache, they began discussing their options. “I want to win,” Snyder told the group. “Let’s do what we have to do to win.” Concluding that disgruntled Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor was by far the best player they’d have a chance to acquire, Snyder gave the go-ahead to make a trade. Before finishing his meal Cerrato was on the phone with Parcells, Miami’s executive vice president of football operations, discussing a trade for the 2006 NFL defensive player of the year. By that evening the deal was done, with Washington giving up second- and sixth-round draft picks, and Snyder agreeing to shell out $16 million over two years, the remaining money on Taylor’s contract. Because of Snyder’s aggressive approach, the ‘Skins were able to acquire Taylor before their NFC East rivals, the Giants, could work out a three-way trade with the Dolphins and Saints that would have sent Taylor to New Orleans for second- and fifth-round picks, followed by a swap of Taylor for tight end Jeremy Shockey.

Upon the trade’s completion, Snyder sent his private jet to pick up Taylor’s wife and children in the Dallas area; it then flew to South Florida to collect the newest Redskins player and transport him to training camp. That’s the same jet that, last December, whisked quarterback Todd Collins up to Boston in time to join his wife (who’d been induced into emergency labor) before she gave birth to the couple’s son. After Hurricane Katrina Snyder flew tight end Robert Royal to New Orleans to collect his family, who hopped aboard the jet and returned to Northern Virginia. And last December he chartered a 747 to fly the entire team to slain safety Sean Taylor’s funeral in Miami. That move wasn’t about winning; it was about doing the right thing. When Snyder finally hoists the Lombardi Trophy one of these years, it might be worth biting your tongue – at least in front of the kids.[/QUOTE]

And the $162 million claim about AH, Dockery, and Hall is such an incomplete analysis.

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i would rather have Snyder, who will at least try to spend money to win, then someone like Jeff Lurie. always looking for the cheap way out. at least we know our owners are trying

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Dan paid for a all pro DT who was in the MVP talks and ppl want to bash him.

The lions just paid a ROOKIE who has never taken the field similiar money and you dont hear a word.. stop hating because our owner brings in the talent to help us win. many teams wanted big Al and we got him.. get over it haters. if it had been NE or the Gmen it would be the final piece to makin their D the next steel curtain but because its dan he overpaid for a bust DT.

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Yeah the Eagles are always 20 mil under the cap, yet they fail to bring in help for McNabb each yr.. now may be too late. their window was wide open the past few yrs.

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[quote=Mattyk72;556866]Jesus talk about beating a dead freakin horse[/quote]


Seriously was that not like 7 years ago???

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[quote=SmootSmack;556869]For another perspective (this is from last summer)

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-ownersrankingsparttwo072308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns"]Owner rankings, Part 2: Kraft's no joke - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]



And the $162 million claim about AH, Dockery, and Hall is such an incomplete analysis.[/quote]

I like that write up on Snyder a lot, SS. But the list it comes from is pretty broken. They have Jerry Jones at #2, and the Rooney family at #15??? Pretty ass backwards.

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[quote=GMScud;556892]I like that write up on Snyder a lot, SS. But the list it comes from is pretty broken. They have Jerry Jones at #2, and the Rooney family at #15??? Pretty ass backwards.[/quote]

Word. More focused on what they say about him though than the ranking

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Where's my SB Rings, damn ye?

:bdh:

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I just don't get why they're still hammering him for signings that happened almost a decade ago.

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I haven't read the article. I quickly skipped down to write. I would wager that (because its from the media's stand point) DS is somewhere near the bottom because he can't field a winnable team and all the coaching changes.

However they forget that he simply does want to win and will spend whatever or do whatever it takes to field a winning team which is far better then most owners.

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[quote=SBXVII;556905]I haven't read the article. I quickly skipped down to write. I would wager that (because its from the media's stand point) DS is somewhere near the bottom because he can't field a winnable team and all the coaching changes.

[B]However they forget that he simply does want to win and will spend whatever or do whatever it takes to field a winning team which is far better then most owners[/B].[/quote]

Exactly, I'd rather have an owner that will spend money to try to improve our team than an owner like Bidwell of the Cards who won't give Boldin an extension. Does it spring Championships, no but I can commend DS on at least going after players and being active in FA.

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[quote=SBXVII;556905]I haven't read the article. I quickly skipped down to write. I would wager that (because its from the media's stand point) DS is somewhere near the bottom because he can't field a winnable team and all the coaching changes.

However they forget that he simply does want to win and will spend whatever or do whatever it takes to field a winning team which is far better then most owners.[/quote]

No kidding...and Arrington? He was a beast. Find anyone who didn't think he was as talented a player in the game as there was. It went crap fast because of injury and a achnage in coaching staffs.

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[quote=dmek25;556872]i would rather have Snyder, who will at least try to spend money to win, then someone like Jeff Lurie. always looking for the cheap way out. at least we know our owners are trying[/quote]

QFT.

I do think Snyder needs to hire a GM with a pulse and step back a little from the "GM roles" of the game. Other than that though its hard to find fault with Snyder. Hes a Redskins fan who does anything in his power to win games. Id much rather have Snyder when you compare him to some other owners who try to nickel and dime there way year after year.

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I don't understand how in the baseball section the author praises the Steinbrenner's as some of the best owners in baseball due to their spending copius amounts of money to ring in top tier talent, when in the same article the author derides Dan Snyder under the came criteria. Obviously the sports are different, and there really isn't a salary cap in baseball, but how is all the new high priced talent on the Yankees working out? Also on the subject of other sports, how is Ted Leonsis, the man who made the Caps the most exciting/ hottest ticket in DC not among the best owners in the NHL. Just saying.

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No surprise with snyder being one of the worst, but I'd put him at five cause the owner of the browns and the 49ers owner haven't made it to the playoffs as of late

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[quote=r08kessl;556962]I don't understand how in the baseball section the author praises the Steinbrenner's as some of the best owners in baseball due to their spending copius amounts of money to ring in top tier talent, when in the same article the author derides Dan Snyder under the came criteria. Obviously the sports are different, and there really isn't a salary cap in baseball, but how is all the new high priced talent on the Yankees working out? Also on the subject of other sports, how is Ted Leonsis, the man who made the Caps the most exciting/ hottest ticket in DC not among the best owners in the NHL. Just saying.[/quote]

Great first post. All good points.

It's all about winning man, the media is a POS. If we were winning Peter King and everyone would be all up on DS's nuts.

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[quote=dmek25;556872]i would rather have Snyder, who will at least try to spend money to win, then someone like Jeff Lurie. always looking for the cheap way out. at least we know our owners are trying[/quote]


I totally agree. The guy at least tries to make things happen. The Ford ownership of the Lions is an absolute joke. Neither Bill SR or Billy JR know a damn thing about football. Damn they even made Barry Sanders retire way too early!!!! Not crazy about the Skins FO and the QB crap with Cutler and Sanchez though. JC might decide to walk regardless, unless we do go to the SB or at least deep in the playoffs, then maybe he will stay, along with a big contract from the Danny himself.

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:bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh:

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Perhaps the reason for beating these dead horses is the inescapable facts of the last decade:


1. In the year Snyder took over ownership of the team, the team was in the playoffs. They weren't nearly a great team, but they made the playoffs.

2. At that point Danny Boy went on his first binge of signing fantasy-style players and becoming his team's super scout. [Recall that he pronounced to the Wash Post Sunday Magazine that it was he who "found" Patrick Ramsey and directed the team to draft Ramsey.] How did any of those moves work out? Oh, and there were subsequent spending sprees up to and incouding this off-season.

3. In the decade of Danny Boy's ownership and guidance, the team has had six head coaches - - counting interim coach Terry Robiske or "Rubinsky" as Deion called him showing just how familiar "Rubinsky" was to the team in general.

4. In the decade of Danny Boy's ownership and guidance the team has won 2 playoff games and one of those wins came in the year Danny Boy "inherited" the team and had not had any chance to influence it at all.


All that spending in search of winning - - as opposed to the stingy Jeffrie Lurie in Phhilly - - and the Skins have two playoff wins in 10 years while the Eagles have been to a Super Bowl once and to the NFC Championship Game five times. Yeah, I'd really rather change owners if I were a Philly native...

Now, how any rational ranking of the ownerships in the NFL could not have the Rooneys and their stewardship of the Steelers over the past 15 years in the top 5 in the league is a mystery to me. So, if you want to say that the list is subjective and you disagree with the list, be my guest.

But please don't try to convince me that Danny Boy is one of the top two or three owners in the NFL based on results. Because that just won't fly...

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[Recall that he pronounced to the Wash Post Sunday Magazine that it was he who "found" Patrick Ramsey and directed the team to draft Ramsey.] [/quote]

Thats funny. I didnt know that. It doesnt shock me though because Snyder has had his hand in player moves every year except when Schottenheimer was here in 2001.

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;557024]All that spending in search of winning - - as opposed to the stingy Jeffrie Lurie in Phhilly - - and the Skins have two playoff wins in 10 years while the Eagles have been to a Super Bowl once and to the NFC Championship Game five times. Yeah, I'd really rather change owners if I were a Philly native... [/quote]

Actually alot of Eagle fans hate Lurie. The Eagles have won alot more than the Redskins over the last 10 years but thats more McNabb and Reid than Lurie. Give me a owner who spends and tries his hardest to put his team in position to win.

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;557024]But please don't try to convince me that Danny Boy is one of the top two or three owners in the NFL based on results. Because that just won't fly...[/quote]

He isnt one of the top 2 or 3 owners. If anyone says that they are nuts. I will say though if im a fan I want to go into the season with a feeling that my team has enough talent to compete. Some teams fans go into a season with no hope because they know there team cant win.

I think Snyder is a better than average owner right now. If he really gets out of the "GM role" he still has with the Skins he will move up higher on my list into the top 2 or 3 owners. Cerrato is kinda the GM but I know Snyder still has his nose in the player moves and that holds him back from becoming a great owner. When the Redskins finally have a true GM and Snyder just signs the checks the Redskins will win alot more and he will become one of the best owners in this league.

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[quote=Mattyk72;556866]Jesus talk about beating a dead freakin horse[/quote]

For real. That was ages ago. They just can't leave that alone. :doh:

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;557024]Perhaps the reason for beating these dead horses is the inescapable facts of the last decade

All that spending in search of winning - - as opposed to the stingy Jeffrie Lurie in Phhilly - - and the Skins have two playoff wins in 10 years while the Eagles have been to a Super Bowl once and to the NFC Championship Game five times. Yeah, I'd really rather change owners if I were a Philly native...

Now, how any rational ranking of the ownerships in the NFL could not have the Rooneys and their stewardship of the Steelers over the past 15 years in the top 5 in the league is a mystery to me. So, if you want to say that the list is subjective and you disagree with the list, be my guest.

But please don't try to convince me that Danny Boy is one of the top two or three owners in the NFL based on results. Because that just won't fly...[/quote]

I don't think anyone here would dare say that Dan Snyder is one of the top two or three owners in the league Maybe if you are including profit in the rankings, but you are right, Snyder has not been successful. That being said, the thing that pisses me off about these articles is that they write the same shit over and over again. Is like they are writing to a sports fan who has been living under a rock over the past 10-20 years. How about this, every time you write these stupid rankings, do it every 5 years and focus on just those previous 5 years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;557030]I don't think anyone here would dare say that Dan Snyder is one of the top two or three owners in the league Maybe if you are including profit in the rankings, but you are right, Snyder has not been successful. That being said, the thing that pisses me off about these articles is that they write the same shit over and over again. Is like they are writing to a sports fan who has been living under a rock over the past 10-20 years. How about this, every time you write these stupid rankings, do it every 5 years and focus on just those previous 5 years.[/quote]



The only problem is, journalism over the last several decades has declined greatly. Of course, that will happen as the pool fills up with more & more people & opinions. Unfortunately, that also means that intelligence thins out & lack of substance stays afloat longer. So, they drudge up old things that happened years ago to reiterate their point that Snyder is a bad owner.

Let us not forget that SI hates the Skins & Snyder, probably due to his lack of cooperation with them & the rest of the media to do interviews & the fact that they have an over abundance of Cowboys fans employed with them. During the regular football season, it seems that if they aren't talking about Tom Brady & the PaCheaters, they are talking about the Cowboys & how they are still "America's team......" Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

So, I'm not at all surprised that these ding-a-lings continue to bring up old mistakes that Snyder has made just to keep people aware that he isn't the brightest owner out there. Their need to be right supersedes good journalism at SI. I have personally boycotted them almost since Snyder bought the team. They haven't seen a penny from me in over a decade.

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wow, we had a new owner and he made a mistake his first yrs in.. imagine that. its been a decade.let it go.

at the time of the deals he has done,most were good at the time. ofcourse now in hindsight ppl want to say they knew all along. Neither Norv or Marty have gone on to win numerous titles so there is really no arguement there. Spurrier had teams for years trying to lure him to the pros,danny pulled it off and Spurrier wasnt ready. Jason Taylor was a double digit sack man until he came here and got injured. noone saw that happening and at the time we were desperate for a DE.

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funny how Dan held back and didnt sell the future for Sanchez.the Jets did and you dont hear a word by the media,except now Sanchez is elite and worth it. If it were the SKINS. oh danny boy is at it again,sellin his team's future for 1 player. who will be a bust.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557038]funny how Dan held back and didnt sell the future for Sanchez.the Jets did and you dont hear a word by the media,except now Sanchez is elite and worth it. If it were the SKINS. oh danny boy is at it again,sellin his team's future for 1 player. who will be a bust.[/quote]

Yup. Everything he does is a disaster according to the media. Let someone else make similar mistakes & they slap them on the wrist essentially with "it's ok, it happens sometimes" kinda remarks. :doh:

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They wouldn't have anything to say if we would have won something. When we do win, they tone will quickly change to "he does what it takes to win".

Dan, let be borrow a million until payday...I'll get you back.

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Snyder isnt a very good owner and I agree with what they say about him, but to have Rooney at 15 is just plain crazy. Rooney is the best owner in the NFL. The Skins will never go anywhere as long as DS is running the show.

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[quote=irish;557044]Snyder isnt a very good owner and I agree with what they say about him, but to have Rooney at 15 is just plain crazy. Rooney is the best owner in the NFL. The Skins will never go anywhere as long as DS is running the show.[/quote]

From the article you mentioned here are the reasons why the Rooneys are at 15th. Not that I'm justifying the ranking but here are the reasons:

[quote]For one thing, [B]Rooney owns just 16 percent of the Steelers[/B], while the NFL requires the primary owner to have at least a 30-percent share. In addition, [B]the Rooney family runs race tracks in New York and Florida that now offer video slot machines and other forms of gambling that violate the league’s requirements for owners.[/B] With four younger brothers who each own 16 percent of the franchise having retained an investment firm to weigh offers and billionaire Steelers fan Stanley Druckenmiller showing interest, [B]Dan is in danger of no longer being The Man.[/B] It doesn’t help that he fired one of the brothers who may control his fate, personnel guru Art Rooney II, 21 years ago. “I think the commissioner will try to figure out a way to let Dan remain in charge,” one owner says. “It wouldn’t bother me so much that he’s breaking the rules, except that he’s so self-righteous about everything else.” With all of that said, Rooney’s departure would not be a good thing for Pittsburgh or for the league.[/quote]

Funny that in the SI article no ones mention the Colts as being snubbed in the top 5. Also, they could have easily replaced Snyder with the Browns, but I guess the article is not as interested to the mindless masses. Oh and the next time someone says that Snyder is a bad owner, I'm going to repeatedly post that the sky is blue.

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All that spending in search of winning - - as opposed to the stingy Jeffrie Lurie in Phhilly - - and the Skins have two playoff wins in 10 years while the Eagles have been to a Super Bowl once and to the NFC Championship Game five times. Yeah, I'd really rather change owners if I were a Philly native...


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i didnt say the eagles didnt run their team well. but if you look at the ONE season they went out of their norm, and picked up T. Owens, they made it to the big dance. and it makes people wonder if it wasn't always about the money with the eagles, how many more super bowls they would have been playing in? at least with Snyder, we know we would definitely NOT have that problem

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We don't just watch football in hopes of our team winning a championship. You watch because it's so frustratingly entertaining. And i enjoy this website primarily during the offseason as a fix to tide me over until August. So Dan, keep making offseason splashes, we are watching, and blogging.

And it's certainly better to talk about the Redskins overspending, then to not talk about the Redskins.

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[quote=dmek25;557068]i didnt say the eagles didnt run their team well. but if you look at the ONE season they went out of their norm, and picked up T. Owens, they made it to the big dance. and it makes people wonder if it wasn't always about the money with the eagles, how many more super bowls they would have been playing in? at least with Snyder, we know we would definitely NOT have that problem[/quote]

True, maybe if the Eagles spent just a little bit more they would have a ring or two.

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[quote=dmek25;557068]i didnt say the eagles didnt run their team well. but if you look at the ONE season they went out of their norm, and picked up T. Owens, they made it to the big dance. and it makes people wonder if it wasn't always about the money with the eagles, how many more super bowls they would have been playing in? at least with Snyder, we know we would definitely NOT have that problem[/quote]Even that year, they got over the hump...i.e. past where they had been before and have been since, while T.O. was sidelined. I remember Jeremiah Trotter being a big piece of that playoff run, and he was more of a typical Eagles move than the one-time brash get-T.O.-while-hes-in-his-prime move.

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it wasnt really about his ability, although he had tons. it was about his brashness, cockiness, arrogance. what ever you want to call it. all the eagle players are clones of Reid. all are so predictable. he had them wanting more. im not sure if im saying this right

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Actually what this all highlites to me is this...the only thing that matters in the NFL is Superbowls.

Make the playoffs every year, reach the conference finals a bunch, lose a SB, never win a ring...all of that is essentially equal to not making the playoffs. We're not happy, they're not happy. Why? Because nothing matters other than winning SBs. I wouldn't take what the Eagles have done over what we have done..it is similarly frustrating to me either way.

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[quote=FRPLG;557092]Actually what this all highlites to me is this...the only thing that matters in the NFL is Superbowls.

Make the playoffs every year, reach the conference finals a bunch, lose a SB, never win a ring...all of that is essentially equal to not making the playoffs. We're not happy, they're not happy. Why? Because nothing matters other than winning SBs. I wouldn't take what the Eagles have done over what we have done..it is similarly frustrating to me either way.[/quote]Would you say that ONE ring changes all that, or if you win one time in 25 years as an owner (like say, had Pat Bowlen only won a single SB with Elway), you are still thrown in the majority class of non-winners.

Because there's the Kraft's and the Rooney's, and they win consistently. But the Irsays, and the Biscotti's, and the Glazers of the world win periodically. And you don't often hear those names out in front of the Bowlens, Rooney's and Krafts of the world.

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imo DS is the most embarrassing aspect of being a skins fan. hes low class to no class and is tarnishing the skins long built tradition and reputation imo. but hey, hes a fan atleast he wants to win. win at any cost baby!! just win!!!

if you run a franchise like DS with that win at any cost approach and dont win, you tend to get bashed. when we do win or get to the SB perhaps the ends could justify the means for most, including the media.

go skins!!