Review the Redskins Personnel Moves from 2005-2009
 

There has been a lot of talk lately about the personnel moves made over the years that leaded to our problems today. I posted the personnel moves the redskins made from 2005-2009 (excluding the offseason losses in 2005 and mid-season trades during the seasons) to look and get everyone's opinion on where they went wrong. And if you know who they lost in the 2005 offseason I couldn't find much other than Rod Gardner (I wasn't a Redskin fan at that time) and mid-season trades post it. Review and comment!!

[SIZE="4"]2005 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
QB Mark Brunell, RB Clinton Portis, OL Ray Brown, C Cory Raymer, HB/TE Brian Kozlowski, Walter Rasby, TE Fred Baxter

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
CB Carlos Rogers, QB Jason Campbell, RB Manuel White, LB Robert McCune, LB Jared Newberry, RB Nehemiah Broughton

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
I couldn't find much about this year losses


[SIZE="4"]2006 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
QB Todd Collins, WR Antwaan Randle El, WR Brandon Lloyd, TE Christian Fauria, C Mike Pucillo, OL Tyson Walter, DE/OLB Andre Carter, LB Jeff Posey, CB Mike Rumph, CB Kenny Wright, S Adam Archuleta

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
LB Rocky McIntosh, DT Anthony Montgomery, S Reed Doughty, DT Kedric Golston, G Kili Lefotu, LB Kevin Simon

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
QB Patrick Ramsey, WR Taylor Jacobs, WR/KR Antonio Brown, TE Robert Royal, C Cory Raymer, DT Brandon Noble, OLB LaVar Arrington, CB Walt Harris, S Omar Stoutmire, S Ryan Clark, S Matt Bowen, P Tom Tupa


[SIZE="4"]2007 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
OT Jason Fabini, MLB London Fletcher, CB Fred Smoot, CB David Macklin, CB Jerametrius Butler, S Omar Stoutmire, ST Derrick Blaylock.

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
QB Jordan Palmer, TE Tyler Ecker, OLB Dallas Sartz, MLB H.B. Blades, S LaRon Landry.

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
RB T.J. Duckett (DET), WR David Patten (NO), G Derrick Dockery (BUF), OLB Warrick Holdman (DEN), OLB Jeff Posey, CB Kenny Wright (CLE), S Troy Vincent, K John Hall.


[SIZE="4"]2008 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
DE Jason Taylor, DE Erasmus James, DT Matthias Askew, DT Zarnell Fitch, OLB Alfred Fincher, S Stuart Schweigert.

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
QB Colt Brennan, WR Devin Thomas, WR Malcolm Kelly, TE Fred Davis, G/OT Chad Rinehart, DE Rob Jackson, CB Justin Tryon, S Kareem Moore, S Chris Horton, P Durant Brooks.

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
QB Mark Brunell, RB Eric Shelton, WR Brandon Lloyd, WR Reche Caldwell, WR Keenan McCardell, WR Mike Espy, WR Steven Harris, TE Brian Kozlowski, OT Ross Tucker, OT Kevin Sampson, G Rick DeMulling, G Mike Pucillo, OLB Rian Wallace, ILB Randall Godfrey, CB David Macklin, S Stuart Schweigert, S Pierson Prioleau, S Vernon Fox, S Omar Stoutmire, KR Jerome Mathis.


[SIZE="4"]2009 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
RB Anthony Alridge, WR D.J. Hackett, OT Mike Williams, G Derrick Dockery, G Jeremy Bridges, DT Albert Haynesworth, OLB Robert Thomas, P Hunter Smith.

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
DE/OLB Brian Orakpo, CB Kevin Barnes, OLB Cody Glenn, OLB Robert Henson, TE Eddie Williams, WR Marko Mitchell, DE Jeremy Jarmon.

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
WR James Thrash, OT Jon Jansen, G Pete Kendall, C Justin Geisinger, DE Demetric Evans, DE Jason Taylor, DT Ryan Boschetti, OLB Marcus Washington, OLB Khary Campbell, OLB Darrell McClover, CB Shawn Springs, S Mike Green, P Durant Brooks, P Ryan Plackemeier, P Dirk Johnson

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What really jumps out to me is that since '05 we have drafted TWO offensive linemen. And really, how many quality/starting FA linemen have we picked up?
I think that sums it all up.

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This doesn't include what we had to give up to get some of these guys

Some examples:

1st, 3rd, and 4th for Campbell (swap of 1st rounders)

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor

Two 2nds and a 6th for Rocky McIntosh (swapped one of the 2nds)

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[quote=SmootSmack;609072]This doesn't include what we had to give up to get some of these guys

Some examples:

1st, 3rd, and 4th for Campbell (swap of 1st rounders)

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor

Two 2nds and a 6th for Rocky McIntosh (swapped one of the 2nds)[/quote]

I was gonna say that 2007 draft looks like a real dud. Only 2 keepers from that draft. Phew. We either can't draft for shit or we have serious problems just trading away our draft rounds. It's not candy damnit.

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Good research Warrior.

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[quote=SmootSmack;609072]This doesn't include what we had to give up to get some of these guys

Some examples:

1st, 3rd, and 4th for Campbell (swap of 1st rounders)

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor

[B]Two 2nds and a 6th for Rocky McIntosh (swapped one of the 2nds)[/B][/quote]

There all pretty steep but they choose the wrong LB to trade this for a couple slots before McIntosh there was Demeco Ryans.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;609077]There all pretty steep but they choose the wrong LB to trade this for a couple slots before McIntosh there was Demeco Ryans.[/quote]

Yeah I was kind of hoping we'd target Ryans this off-season, but with no cap he's not an unrestricted free agent

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;609075]Good research Warrior.[/quote]

Thank you :)

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;609069]What really jumps out to me is that since '05 we have drafted TWO offensive linemen. And really, how many quality/starting FA linemen have we picked up?
I think that sums it all up.[/quote]

Yeah your right and the two OL are Chad Rinehart & Kili Lefotu!!! WOW!!!

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for the 06 losses i wish the skins would have kept lavar arrington,walt harris and ryan clark. the skins should have never let antonio peirce go in 04 or 05 (which ever it was) also should have never let smoot go, if the skins would have kept smoot they could of drafted someone other than carlose rogers.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;609081]Yeah your right and the two OL are Chad Rinehart & Kili Lefotu!!! WOW!!![/quote]

OMG. :doh:

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MAN.....that is a lot of names who NEVER played or no longer play for us..........

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Lack of drafting O-line def, but overall during that time span I don't feel like it was a good track record of drafting. Looking at I'd give a C/C+ at best. I'm curious at how the other clubs in the division would rate over the same five year span.

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Good research and info. I know we've heard a LOT over the past week about the FO "not addressing the OL". Actually for FO did address the OL, however it was through FA and resignings, not the draft (the only caveat on this post at this point is that Dock isn't performing up to speed).

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32035-offensive-line-depth-r-thomas-injury-6.html#post593662[/URL]

Obviously we're in a tough situation now because the health of the 3 guys the FO expected to be the core of our OL for another couple of years succumbed to injuries. When these guys were re-signed they had all been pretty durable throughout their careers.

While I agree we need a GM and Vinny needs to move into the background, any moves prior to the 2008 off-season can't be pinned on Vinny. From '03-'07 Gibbs needs to shoulder the blame as he held the final say-so (he got real bad personnel advice from GW and Saunders).

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;609068]
[SIZE="4"]2005 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]


[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
CB Carlos Rogers, QB Jason Campbell, RB Manuel White, LB Robert McCune, LB Jared Newberry, RB Nehemiah Broughton[/quote]

The one thing that stands out about this draft is that Chris Canty was available several picks after we took Manuel White, Jr. As a UVA fan, I was really hoping we would pick up Canty -- and at the time, D-line was a need.

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[quote=SmootSmack;609072]This doesn't include what we had to give up to get some of these guys

Some examples:

1st, 3rd, and 4th for Campbell (swap of 1st rounders)

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor

Two 2nds and a 6th for Rocky McIntosh (swapped one of the 2nds)[/quote]

I'm pretty sure there was also a 4th rounder thrown in for Duckett. There was the 7th round pick for Erasmus James last year. Though it was in 2004, outside of this particular sample, Chris Cooley was also a two-fer.

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Its truly pathetic how they disregard the draft this much........this is not to mention the poor decisions to hire spurrier and Zorn

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We're also only looking at the Redskins here. We're certainly not the only team to make serious gaffes when it comes to the draft. Even the most respected franchises do. But our issue is with limited picks we have a much smaller margin for error

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Nice research Warrior. Could we have gotten any less value out of a 10 player draft than we did in '08? The one O-lineman we did pick was a reach, selecting a division 1-AA guy (Rinehart). [I]Also notable, but rarely mentioned anymore, but Joe Gibbs was our team President with the final say on personnel when MANY of these terrible decisions were made[/I]. If we're willing to bash Snyderato, then Gibbs deserves his share too. Letting Ryan Clark walk for peanuts while shelling out record money for Archuletta might have been the worst moves under Gibbs, but trading two 3's and two 4's for B. Lloyd and Duckett are almost as egregious since those 4 picks could have been used to address O-line depth.

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[quote=SouperMeister;609150]Nice research Warrior. Could we have gotten any less value out of a 10 player draft than we did in '08? The one O-lineman we did pick was a reach, selecting a division 1-AA guy (Rinehart). [I]Also notable, but rarely mentioned anymore, but Joe Gibbs was our team President with the final say on personnel when MANY of these terrible decisions were made[/I]. If we're willing to bash Snyderato, then Gibbs deserves his share too. Letting Ryan Clark walk for peanuts while shelling out record money for Archuletta might have been the worst moves under Gibbs, but trading two 3's and two 4's for B. Lloyd and Duckett are almost as egregious since those 4 picks could have been used to address O-line depth.[/quote]

Yeah, I said this somewhere else, but with Gibbs, it was 'win right now' and to hell with the future. It's a big role of the dice, because if you're wrong, and the high-priced, cap-eating free agents that are often paid for with draft picks don't get you a championship, your team will be set even further back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;609148]We're also only looking at the Redskins here. We're certainly not the only team to make serious gaffes when it comes to the draft. Even the most respected franchises do. But our issue is with limited picks we have a much smaller margin for error[/quote]

I know what you are saying is true, but our percentage for players drafted, and FA's still on the roster (and playing) after X number of years is.........low.
In any given situation that is problematic, you look for the area to correct as the "worst first" to make the most positive impact toward correcting the whole.
THIS is the Holy Grail of "worst first"............

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I would give it a D+....the big factors is you have to remember the god-aweful contracts to some of these players and the already talked about draft picks we gave up to get players or move up in the draft to get average players. The free agents decisions really burn my a$$. Only 2 draft picks on OL makes me physically ill to think about. The only way to end this cycle of pathetic decisions is to fire the guy making them. Vinny/Snyder has dragged this franchise through the mud and it is just ashame. Riggo is Right. That the signs people need to bring to the stadium this weekend: Riggo is Right.

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We have all our picks but the 3rd for Jarmon next year correct? I say tear down and rebuild i didn't want to before just being the optimistic fan "Be patient change will come " kind of guy. But reality is under the current structure, personnel, and leadership we won't win anything but 4th place in the NFC Beast.

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All bad moves

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In 05 we gave up Champ Bailey, a future Hall of Fame cornerback, plus a 2nd round draft choice for Clinton Portis, who is aging fast. Also, we should have kept Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark. They went to the New Your Giants and Pittsburgh Steelers respectively where they got Super Bowl rings!

Also, did we know that Albert Haynesworth was a part-time player who looks vastly out of shape? How does our defensive line compare with last year's where we had Demetric Evans with this year's line without Evans but with Albert Haynesworth (when he plays)?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;609068]
[SIZE=4]2005 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Veteran Additions[/B]:
QB Mark Brunell, RB Clinton Portis, OL Ray Brown, C Cory Raymer, HB/TE Brian Kozlowski, Walter Rasby, TE Fred Baxter

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
CB Carlos Rogers, QB Jason Campbell, RB Manuel White, LB Robert McCune, LB Jared Newberry, RB Nehemiah Broughton

[B]Offseason Losses[/B]:
I couldn't find much about this year losses
[/quote]

All of those veteran additions were from 2004. In 2005, we traded Coles for Moss, and picked up David Patten and Casey Rabach. There could have been a couple other random guys in there too, but I don't remember. The only other guy I remember us losing that year besides Coles and Gardner was Mike Barrow, who we signed the year before and got hurt.

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[quote=DAVID;609431]All bad moves[/quote]

Way to be objective.

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I know I'll catch some grief but Mark Brunell cost this organization alot. Had we gone after an above average QB I still feel like that 2005 team could have been special. He couldn't throw the ball downfield though or JG's didn't want him too. At least he was efficient in the RZ though.

Trading away draft picks is obviously a biggie too. That means we have less margin for error as was mentioned.

Trading multiple picks for JC hurt obviously. I could go on and on.

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Good research Warrior....What an inordinate number of players involved in trades, FA and the draft that are no longer playing and/or out of the league completely in such a relatively short period of time. It's amazing the thought of what we could have done with some of those DP and how they could have helped shape our roster today. Looking at your analysis it's very easy to see the error of our ways.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;609068][SIZE="4"]2005 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
CB Carlos Rogers, QB Jason Campbell, [B]RB Manuel White, LB Robert McCune, LB Jared Newberry, RB Nehemiah Broughton[/B]

[SIZE="4"]2006 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
LB Rocky McIntosh, DT Anthony Montgomery, S Reed Doughty, DT Kedric Golston, [B]G Kili Lefotu, LB Kevin Simon[/B]

[SIZE="4"]2007 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
[B]QB Jordan Palmer, TE Tyler Ecker, OLB Dallas Sartz[/B], MLB H.B. Blades, S LaRon Landry.

[SIZE="4"]2008 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
[B]QB Colt Brennan[/B], WR Devin Thomas, WR Malcolm Kelly, TE Fred Davis, G/OT Chad Rinehart, [B]DE Rob Jackson[/B], CB Justin Tryon, [B]S Kareem Moore[/B], S Chris Horton, [B]P Durant Brooks[/B]


[SIZE="4"]2009 NFL Season Preview[/SIZE]

[B]Draft Picks[/B]:
DE/OLB Brian Orakpo, [B]CB Kevin Barnes, OLB Cody Glenn, OLB Robert Henson, TE Eddie Williams, WR Marko Mitchell,[/B] DE Jeremy Jarmon[/quote]

I wonder if other teams have the same ratio as we do in draft picks that actually pan out or make a quickly contribution to the team. Only 16 out of 34 draft picks have actually contributed in actually gameplay at there positions on Sunday's. Is that bad, average, good or what?

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[quote=Beemnseven;609133]The one thing that stands out about this draft is that Chris Canty was available several picks after we took Manuel White, Jr. As a UVA fan, I was really hoping we would pick up Canty -- and at the time, D-line was a need.[/quote]
I was all for picking up canty this offseason over AH

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[quote=SmootSmack;609148]We're also only looking at the Redskins here. We're certainly not the only team to make serious gaffes when it comes to the draft. Even the most respected franchises do. But our issue is with limited picks we have a much smaller margin for error[/quote]
very true

not every team has all of their late round picks still with them years later and many don't have their earlies

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1.)It's easy to look back now and say we should of done this or we should of drafted this guy over so in so, but you just have to learn from these things.
2.)You can't sit here and say how bad of a pickup Portis was because of his lack of "big plays". Is it is fault that our O-line is horrendous?

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This is sad to read who the Redskins drafted and who they lost. To give up a number 3 draft choice for Mark Brunell was dumb. And to give up a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor was also dumb. To give up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round draft choice for Portis was dumb, as well as picking up TJ Duckett when the Redskins didn't play him except for maybe a couple of plays was the epitome of dumbness.