Zorn to coach the rest of the season
 

Jim Zorn will remain the Redskins' coach the rest of the season, according to Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice-president of football operations. Cerrato made the comments on his morning radio show, Dan [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/zorn_to_remain_coach_for_remai.html"][COLOR=#0c4790]Steinberg reports[/COLOR][/URL].

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Really probably the best move but we need to clean house on 1/4/2010.

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Yupp, heard this on 94.3 this morning.

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[quote=mredskins;614338]Really probably the best move but we need to clean house on 1/4/2010.[/quote]

wait... Before we play our playoff game???

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Yeah he also said the whole "pulled out the contract" was "off the wall". VC basically said he told Jim about giving up the playcalling after the game. Jim said he would think about it and get back to Vinny.

I am guessing the real truth is somewhere between what Largent said and what VC said.

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I kinda expected this. Snyder doesn't want to fire another coach midseason... it's only going to reflect poorly on him in the end. Looking back I'm sure he regrets canning Norv during the season and wishes that didn't happen.

The best thing to do is ride out this season and then address things after the season ends.

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This is assuming Vinny is there for the rest of the season. :D


I expect them both to be gone after Week 17's game, but I still do not think it is impossible that Zorn is fired this season after some horribly-embarrassing game that gets Snyder's blood boiling.

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Keeping a guy in charge, that has been stripped of responsibilities......brilliant.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614349]Keeping a guy in charge, that has been stripped of responsibilities......brilliant.[/quote]

Keeping a guy in charge that is named Wade Phillips...

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I love how some posters will find negativity in this move. The masses just want to bash ownership, and that is gonna happen regardless of what they do.

This was the right move by ownership/VC. Quell the media and give Zorn support. Now ESPN and SC can stfu about firing Zorn 24/7. This doesnt mean ownership is off the hook, but for now they did the right thing by endorsing the Z-man.

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Could serve as the public endorsement the players have been calling for. It does offer just a "little" stability to what otherwise has become a calamity. If there's any such thing as the "lesser of two evils" then Zorn is probably the best option at least until the end of the season.

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I also heard Vinny make those comments this morning, and I can't help but laugh every time he speaks. He sounds like an uneducated moron, and basically every public comment he makes is a defense for some asinine decision the organization has made, making him sound even more inept.

I know that slamming Vinny is cliche at this point, but I've always been in the camp that thinks Vinny is Snyders puppet. This season, I'm starting to think Vinny has a lot more stroke than I originally thought, and it's disgusting to think Snyder would allow that dude to be in charge of football operations.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614349]Keeping a guy in charge, that has been stripped of responsibilities......brilliant.[/quote]

I assume that you're referring to Wade Phillips.

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He does sound extremely defensive, I agree Southpaw. Def not indicative of someone who is confident in his moves, etc.

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[quote=hooskins;614353]I love how some posters will find negativity in this move. The masses just want to bash ownership, and that is gonna happen regardless of what they do.

This was the right move by ownership/VC. Quell the media and give Zorn support. Now ESPN and SC can stfu about firing Zorn 24/7. This doesnt mean ownership is off the hook, but for now they did the right thing by endorsing the Z-man.[/quote]

It's a no win at this point.

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I have no problem w/ keeping JZ for the rest of the season. I just don't believe anything VC sais. Never have. If the skins lose big and get embarrassed Monday we'll see if VC meant what he said.

VC shouldn't have a radio show anyways. Earlier in the year, VC had Mel Kiper on and was talking about the Notre Dame game. I can't remember who they were playing, but VC was saying that it was a must win for Weiss in order for him to keep his job.

MK then told Vinny that the Skins needed to beat the Lions or he'd lose his job. Nice reply by Mel Kiper.

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[quote=Southpaw;614356]I also heard Vinny make those comments this morning, and I can't help but laugh every time he speaks. He sounds like an uneducated moron, and basically every public comment he makes is a defense for some asinine decision the organization has made, making him sound even more inept.

I know that slamming Vinny is cliche at this point, but I've always been in the camp that thinks Vinny is Snyders puppet. This season, I'm starting to think Vinny has a lot more stroke than I originally thought, and it's disgusting to think Snyder would allow that dude to be in charge of football operations.[/quote]

You'll find there are many in agreement with you. I think what they're trying to do is change the headlines at least for a moment. There has been a tremendous amount of bashing going on the last month or more, the atmosphere needed a curve and this is undoutedly an atempt to squash some of the negative.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;614341]wait... Before we play our playoff game???[/quote]


Oh yeah that would not make sense! Ok after the first playoff lost or SB win. =)

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[quote=Mattyk72;614343]I kinda expected this. Snyder doesn't want to fire another coach midseason... it's only going to reflect poorly on him in the end. Looking back I'm sure he regrets canning Norv during the season and wishes that didn't happen.

The best thing to do is ride out this season and then address things after the season ends.[/quote]

Interesting how this move is made after Shanahan (and probably Gruden) rebuffed his offers to take the team over mid-season. Realistically, Snyder has absolutely nothing to gain by firing Zorn mid-season given the qualifications of the in-house replacements.

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I completely agree with the assertion that Vinny sounds like an idiot...just reading the transcript, it seems that he is desperately scrambling to say something, anything that gets him off the hook. He is super defensive and its clear that he is scared about his job. Good, he should be scared, when you mess up time and time again for 10 years you should have lost your job a long time ago...here's hoping no matter what happens, VC is fired. At least Zorn is a good guy who is just in over his head.

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[quote=Southpaw;614356]I also heard Vinny make those comments this morning, and I can't help but laugh every time he speaks. He sounds like an uneducated moron, and basically every public comment he makes is a defense for some asinine decision the organization has made, making him sound even more inept.

I know that slamming Vinny is cliche at this point, but I've always been in the camp that thinks Vinny is Snyders puppet. This season, I'm starting to think Vinny has a lot more stroke than I originally thought, and it's disgusting to think Snyder would allow that dude to be in charge of football operations.[/quote]

When ever I hear him speak I'm just amazed that he is in the position he is. The damage has already been done by bringing in Lewis so he's just in damage control.

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I hope this quiets down the circus for a few weeks. It's not going to change the outcome of things ultimately, but at least we can stop being the 'point and laugh' franchise in the NFL for a while.

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Let me start by making a few things very perfectly clear: Jim Zorn is the head coach of the Washington Redskins, and will be for the rest of this season, [B]and hopefully into the future[/B].
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I was listening to this on the way to work this morning, and while I listening to Vinny speak gives me a headache (my 2 year old speaks more clearly) I was struck by the "hopefully into the future" tag at the end of his endorsement. What do you suppose that really means? I suppose it could be looked at a number of different ways. The truth is that because Snyder does not speak to the media during the season, no one really knows what he is thinking, or planning to do. All the talk of Zorn and Vinny being gone at the end of the season is just that, talk. Until it comes down from the head man himself, it is nothing more than fan and media speculation. Snyder does have atrack record of decision making with coaches that is fueling the speculation, but since he does not talk, we really don't know, maybe he has learned patience ( a huge assumption on my part).
I would like to see Zorn succeed here, if only for the continuity that might be a result of his continued employment. He is far from perfect, and his limitations as a play caller and game manager have been on display for all to see, but I like the guy and think he has inherited a bad situation complete with aging, overpaid, and underachieving players. Maybe he is the guy who can turn this ship around, if given the time to do so. Changing coaches every couple of years is not a recipe for long term success.

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Zorn could always resign I suppose, though I seriously doubt he would.

I think everyone inside the organization genuinely wants things to work out, I'm just not sure it will.

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It looks like we've secured our head coach for next year and the front office knows there's nothing to be done in season.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;614363]Interesting how this move is made after Shanahan (and probably Gruden) rebuffed his offers to take the team over mid-season. Realistically, Snyder has absolutely nothing to gain by firing Zorn mid-season given the qualifications of the in-house replacements.[/quote]

Gruden was not an option to take over mid-season

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[quote=Skinny Tee;614381]It looks like we've secured our head coach for next year and the front office knows there's nothing to be done in season.[/quote]

Who is the head coach next year?

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[quote=redsk1;614360]I have no problem w/ keeping JZ for the rest of the season. I just don't believe anything VC sais. Never have. If the skins lose big and get embarrassed Monday we'll see if VC meant what he said.

VC shouldn't have a radio show anyways. Earlier in the year, VC had Mel Kiper on and was talking about the Notre Dame game. I can't remember who they were playing, but VC was saying that it was a must win for Weiss in order for him to keep his job.

MK then told Vinny that the Skins needed to beat the Lions or he'd lose his job. Nice reply by Mel Kiper.[/quote]

I am with you on this one. This coming from VC knowing his job is on the line does not mean a whole lot other then VC is throwing it out there in hopes DS will not make a move at the break or it will make him look bad.

Also I keep reading how Zorn will keep his job but nothing in regards to whether VC keeps his job? I suspected Zorn would keep his job, even said it makes no sense to relieve him of his duties when no one else understands his plays or play calls. Unfortunatly I got caught up in all the rumors about DS trying to get someone else and wanting to fire everyone at the break. I would think DS would fire VC at the break and interview people to become the new GM....heck he can take his time, hire the new GM and allow him to evaluate the talent for the future, then at seasons end let him pick a new HC.

....But as a friend said....don't believe anything out of VC's mouth. He lies all the time and the opposite happens.

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[quote=skinsfan69;614365]When ever I hear him speak I'm just amazed that he is in the position he is. The damage has already been done by bringing in Lewis so he's just in damage control.[/quote]

Does he not sound like he's "special"? Stammering for words half the time. God for bid he's on TV.....he looks like a pug stammering. How one earth he got the job is beyond me knowing there most likely are better GM's out there and better public speakers.

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[quote=RiggoDrill;614375]I was listening to this on the way to work this morning, and while I listening to Vinny speak gives me a headache (my 2 year old speaks more clearly) I was struck by the "hopefully into the future" tag at the end of his endorsement. What do you suppose that really means? I suppose it could be looked at a number of different ways. The truth is that because Snyder does not speak to the media during the season, no one really knows what he is thinking, or planning to do. All the talk of Zorn and Vinny being gone at the end of the season is just that, talk. Until it comes down from the head man himself, it is nothing more than fan and media speculation. Snyder does have atrack record of decision making with coaches that is fueling the speculation, but since he does not talk, we really don't know, maybe he has learned patience ( a huge assumption on my part).
[B]I would like to see Zorn succeed here[/B], if only for the continuity that might be a result of his continued employment. He is far from perfect, and his limitations as a play caller and game manager have been on display for all to see, but I like the guy and think he has inherited a bad situation complete with aging, overpaid, and underachieving players. Maybe he is the guy who can turn this ship around, if given the time to do so. Changing coaches every couple of years is not a recipe for long term success.[/quote]

Uh, .....no, he calls bad plays, calls wrong plays at the wrong time, calls the wrong plays for the package he has on the field, horrible clock management, Can you say this whole thing screams of joke. We could have hired a water boy and got almost as much out of him. He was a QB coach and no different then Nor who should never be a HC and only relegated to OC or some of the others Zorn is not HC material. Atleast not yet. He easily should be a QB coach maybe tried out as a OC somewhere, but bridges have been burnt here.

I think the only reason he's staying is cause DS doesn't want to have to pay Gibbs old coach's, Zorn and any new coach's brought on. If your forced to pay them might as well pay them to embarrass themselves vs. paying them to sit at home to do nothing and pay someone else.

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[quote=Buster;614352]Keeping a guy in charge that is named Wade Phillips...[/quote]Okay so you see my avatar and go immediatley on the defensive, understandable and fair enough.

But the only good thing about keeping Zorn throughout the year is that the players now have a sense of stability in the locker room and on the sideline. They do not have to keep dodging media questions related to the coach. They can concentrate better on football, so good move on Ceratto in that regard.

Now I feel this annoucement is completely politically and financially motivated. Politically, for the reason I just mentioned, for the benefit of the players.

Financially because after they stripped Zorn of his play calling, they fully expected him to resign. Thereby they would not have to pay him for the remainder of this contract year, or, a settlement. A coach quits, they owe him nothing.

But Zorn did not quit so if they fire him, they have to pay him. And then pay a new head coach too, almost doubling that salary expense.

So they instead decide to stick with him for the year. It is not a BAD call at all. History has shown that mid season coaching changes are disasterous.

But for Ceratto to say that Zorn will be the coach for the remainder of the year, [b] and hopefully into the future[/b], well, he is insulting our intelligence.

Who here would actually be in FAVOR of Zorn returning next season? How much would attendence take a hit if Zorn remained? C'Mon, no one is that stupid.

But to take a stab by saying "keeping Wade in charge". Well people in glass houses should not throw stones.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;614389]Who is the head coach next year?[/quote]

What?......no one is[B] "Horny for Zorny"?[/B]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614405]Okay so you see my avatar and go immediatley on the defensive, understandable and fair enough.

But the only good thing about keeping Zorn throughout the year is that the players now have a sense of stability in the locker room and on the sideline. They do not have to keep dodging media questions related to the coach. They can concentrate better on football, so good move on Ceratto in that regard.

Now I feel this annoucement is completely politically and financially motivated. Politically, for the reason I just mentioned, for the benefit of the players.

Financially because after they stripped Zorn of his play calling, they fully expected him to resign. Thereby they would not have to pay him for the remainder of this contract year, or, a settlement. A coach quits, they owe him nothing.

But Zorn did not quit so if they fire him, they have to pay him. And then pay a new head coach too, almost doubling that salary expense.

So they instead decide to stick with him for the year. It is not a BAD call at all. History has shown that mid season coaching changes are disasterous.

But for Ceratto to say that Zorn will be the coach for the remainder of the year, and hopefully into the future, well, he is insulting our intelligence.

[B]Who here would actually be in FAVOR of Zorn returning next season?[/B] How much would attendence take a hit if Zorn remained? C'Mon, no one is that stupid.

But to take a stab by saying "keeping Wade in charge". Well people in glass houses should not throw stones.[/quote]

I would.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614349]Keeping a guy in charge, that has been stripped of responsibilities......brilliant.[/quote]
Yea, this comes from a Boy's fan who has a coach that looks like someone stomped on his Wally World's doll after every negative play or Romo int. They also brought in the guy who was suppose to take his place when he was fired but he cannot even run the O so they kept old stupid to run the team.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614405]Okay so you see my avatar and go immediatley on the defensive, understandable and fair enough.

But the only good thing about keeping Zorn throughout the year is that the players now have a sense of stability in the locker room and on the sideline. They do not have to keep dodging media questions related to the coach. They can concentrate better on football, so good move on Ceratto in that regard.

Now I feel this annoucement is completely politically and financially motivated. Politically, for the reason I just mentioned, for the benefit of the players.

Financially because after they stripped Zorn of his play calling, they fully expected him to resign. Thereby they would not have to pay him for the remainder of this contract year, or, a settlement. A coach quits, they owe him nothing.

But Zorn did not quit so if they fire him, they have to pay him. And then pay a new head coach too, almost doubling that salary expense.

So they instead decide to stick with him for the year. It is not a BAD call at all. History has shown that mid season coaching changes are disasterous.

But for Ceratto to say that Zorn will be the coach for the remainder of the year, [B]and hopefully into the future[/B], well, he is insulting our intelligence.

Who here would actually be in FAVOR of Zorn returning next season? How much would attendence take a hit if Zorn remained? C'Mon, no one is that stupid.

But to take a stab by saying "keeping Wade in charge". Well people in glass houses should not throw stones.[/quote]

Ya know I find myself liking you more and more even though I'm not a Dallas fan. Excellent points. Besides the topic was not about Wade who most likely will be gone also, it was about Zorn being retained.

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[quote=SBXVII;614411]Ya know I find myself liking you more and more even though I'm not a Dallas fan. Excellent points. Besides the topic was not about Wade who most likely will be gone also, it was about Zorn being retained.[/quote]


"Love is in the air!" So cute.

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My questions is, what took so long? The only reason Vinny came out and said this is because of all the heat that him and Snyder are under from all the critics. What else were they going to do? I would say this is a little late as the damage is done.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;614405]Okay so you see my avatar and go immediatley on the defensive, understandable and fair enough.

But the only good thing about keeping Zorn throughout the year is that the players now have a sense of stability in the locker room and on the sideline. They do not have to keep dodging media questions related to the coach. They can concentrate better on football, so good move on Ceratto in that regard.

Now I feel this annoucement is completely politically and financially motivated. Politically, for the reason I just mentioned, for the benefit of the players.

Financially because after they stripped Zorn of his play calling, they fully expected him to resign. Thereby they would not have to pay him for the remainder of this contract year, or, a settlement. A coach quits, they owe him nothing.

But Zorn did not quit so if they fire him, they have to pay him. And then pay a new head coach too, almost doubling that salary expense.

So they instead decide to stick with him for the year. It is not a BAD call at all. History has shown that mid season coaching changes are disasterous.

But for Ceratto to say that Zorn will be the coach for the remainder of the year, [B]and hopefully into the future[/B], well, [SIZE=5]he is insulting our intelligence[/SIZE].

Who here would actually be in FAVOR of Zorn returning next season? How much would attendence take a hit if Zorn remained? C'Mon, no one is that stupid.

But to take a stab by saying "keeping Wade in charge". Well people in glass houses should not throw stones.[/quote]

Intelligent people are not Dallas fans!!!!!!!!!!

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The sad thing is after the fans being so disgruntled, the media speculation, the fans most likely won't be happy with this turn of events, so I hope DS is ready for some more "Booing" and "Sell the team" and "Vinny must go" chants while at games. That's second to fans selling their tickets which some have started to do. At work we have people offering up Skins/Eagle tickets for free and no one wants them.

I just get the feeling it's going to get a lot uglier before seasons end.

Bilking fans
VC
Losing team
Selling beer in the bathroom
etc. etc. etc.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;614389]Who is the head coach next year?[/quote]

All I know is Angry listed his demands, and the next day, we have our future coach settled. Nothing more to read into that!