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Of the cuts that were made last week, I think the one that surprised me the most was ARE. I know many here wanted him to go, but he's still a productive slot wr. He has long passed his best days as a punt returner & no one will miss him there.

J. Ried on RI said that he is smaller than Shanny would prefer, but I really don't think that was the main reason. His salary wasn't that big either if I'm correct.

His departure leaves a slot (no pun intended) open on the roster. Will Marko Mitchell get more time? Will they sign a cheap vet? Will they hope to draft a wr/returner?

What would you guys think if a good wr is there & we nab him? I'm not thinking the #4 spot, more like the 2nd round or mid 1st if we happen to trade back. Dez Bryant would be hard to pass up if all the best LTs are off the board.

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please stop with the Mitchell love fest. probably will not make the team. and between Thomas, Moss, and Hall, there are plenty of returners available

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You can get a UDRFA to help out in the return game but, the team will draft a RB, possibly a guy who can increase his value there. Have we seen what Mitchell can do? He'll compete for a spot.

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I think that Shanny is one of the best at finding running backs that most teams ignore. El was a classy guy but his time with us was up. He'll find another job and if not he's still caking it.

I don't think the biggest problem Shanny is going to have is a return guy, RB, or WR.

We have cut most of the running backs and a WR. That's no loss. They weren't doing jack.

The O-line and RB situation is going to be the most interesting to me. That and who they get for FS and NT. Those are the gapping holes now.

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ARE's salary outweighed his production by far, he was paid quite a bit, like a number 1.

Thomas or some other young guy will probably still do kick returns, punts they're saying it'll likely be Tryon or Hall, but who knows.

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[QUOTE]please stop with the Mitchell love fest. probably will not make the team. and between Thomas, Moss, and Hall, there are plenty of returners available[/QUOTE]
i dont think it's fair to call it a lovefest. Mitchell clearly produced in both the preaseason and the regular season, not incredible amounts but enough to earn him respect as a potential long term young solution.

As for the question, I agree with Trample, Shanahan will make sure he has those parts covered, not a big worry on my part.

It is interesting that we cut 10 players, 6 clear starters, and I don't feel we got noticeably worse, and may in fact have gotten better. What does that say about where we were as a team. It's definitely going to be an interesting camp this year.

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also Randle El signed with pittsburgh - 3yrs not sure of amounts

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671242]I think that Shanny is one of the best at finding running backs that most teams ignore. El was a classy guy but his time with us was up. He'll find another job and if not he's still caking it.

I don't think the biggest problem Shanny is going to have is a return guy, RB, or WR.

We have cut most of the running backs and a WR. That's no loss. They weren't doing jack.

The O-line and RB situation is going to be the most interesting to me. That and who they get for FS and NT. Those are the gapping holes now.[/quote]

FS is not really a gaping hole. Kareem Moore is adequate. He's not elite, but he won't bungle it like Landry has, well, except for that Mecheam touchdown....

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It's hard to say if Moore would get burnt too, all safeties do from time to time. On the whiffing and whatnot, who knows, he did some last year.

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We have enough guys on the team now to take care of those duties.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;671244]i dont think it's fair to call it a lovefest. Mitchell clearly produced in both the preaseason and the regular season, not incredible amounts but enough to earn him respect as a potential long term young solution.

As for the question, I agree with Trample, Shanahan will make sure he has those parts covered, not a big worry on my part.

It is interesting that we cut 10 players, 6 clear starters, and I don't feel we got noticeably worse, and may in fact have gotten better. What does that say about where we were as a team. It's definitely going to be an interesting camp this year.[/quote]


We will find out this season if Marko is the real deal. Thing is he played for a run happy offense at Nevada. Wr needs to be addressed either this draft or next. The odds of all 3 newby Wrs working out are slim.

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[quote=tryfuhl;671243]ARE's salary outweighed his production by far, he was paid quite a bit, like a number 1.

Thomas or some other young guy will probably still do kick returns, punts they're saying it'll likely be Tryon or Hall, but who knows.[/quote]

ARE becomes the 4th player in the last six years to leave the Redskins and return to their origional team. Allegiance anybody?

Look for AA to to have an opportunity as a KR. I know some are down on him because he had problems with the fumbles, but that's something that can be corrected.

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[QUOTE][quote]i dont think it's fair to call it a lovefest. Mitchell clearly produced in both the preaseason and the regular season, not incredible amounts but enou[/quote]

We will find out this season if Marko is the real deal. Thing is he played for a run happy offense at Nevada. Wr needs to be addressed either this draft or next. The odds of all 3 newby Wrs working out is slim.[/QUOTE]
sorry if we address WR in this years draft thats just crazy. we have 1 veteran WR, 3 young WR's and two strong TE's those positions shouldnt be considered unless we have a complete meltdown in the wr corps.

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Not crazy at all. If you draft a WR, he will compete with the others for a starting position. Do you really want to wait with the present crop for say another 2 seasons to just say they are a bust? I say the odds of the 3 newbies all being on the roster say in 2011 is 50/50 and beyond that 20%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;671293]sorry if we address WR in this years draft thats just crazy. we have 1 veteran WR, 3 young WR's and two strong TE's those positions shouldnt be considered unless we have a complete meltdown in the wr corps.[/quote]

I agree...Wide receiver is the last thing we should be thinking about in this draft. We have to find out once and for all what we have in the young guys we already have. However it should not be considered out of the realm of possibility we add another veteran later after tha final cuts.

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I was hoping we would have tried for Walter, Bryant, or T.O. since none are RFA's.

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Really, they should just take a flyer on Trinidon Holliday. After all, it's not like they're going to use 5-WR sets often anyway....

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I'd have concerns about Dez' maturity so I wouldn't be too keen on taking him. I think we may still take a look at Bryant and I'd take a look at Josh Reed (if the Pats haven't signed him already)

Ideally Thomas is the #1, Kelly is the #2, and Moss drops to 3 this year

As for kick returner, let Thomas and Alridge handle that.

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T.O. maybe?

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I wouldn't be upset drafting another WR, as long as we address the OL as well. I think WR is more of a need than either safety positions, but less than RB, DL, and OL (and LB, but I'm hopeful that we sign larry foote, and I think we will). I'd use one of our later round picks on a WR, and one on a RB, provided there are appropriate players worth taking at those selections.

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If we take a WR it has to be like the last pick for sure, or if we do trade down or make a JC trade for more pics, etc. We need linemen, a QB, and a S or LB if there is a diamond LB that for some reason wasn't taken earlier that we can't pass up.

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How about Brandon James the PR/KR/RB from Florida who is basically the next Darren Sproles, he's blazing fast, quick, and short but has good weight for his size. He's projected to not even get drafted.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqf8a0XFqBM]YouTube - the best trio in college football (percy harvin, tim tebow, and brandon james)[/url]

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I'm holding out promise that our 2 young WRs have solid years, they've certainly given indications that they can perform, they may not end up to be Jerry Rices or even Gary Clarks, but they're guys that you can win with. Not to mention Cooley and Davis. Put Moss in the slot and BAM, there you go. We don't need 5 pro bowlers at WR.

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[quote=tryfuhl;671366]I'm holding out promise that our 2 young WRs have solid years, they've certainly given indications that they can perform, they may not end up to be Jerry Rices or even Gary Clarks, but they're guys that you can win with. Not to mention Cooley and Davis. Put Moss in the slot and BAM, there you go. We don't need 5 pro bowlers at WR.[/quote]


Maybe this has been talked about before but why don't they just use Davis as a wide receiver. He has wide receiver speed. He is faster than Kelly. How could he be stopped on a slant route?

One thing about Shanahan, when he has a weapon, he knows how to maximize it.

I have a feeling that we are going to be dumbfounded by how more effective Shanny's offense is going to be.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;671256]FS is not really a gaping hole. Kareem Moore is adequate. He's not elite, but he won't bungle it like Landry has, well, except for that Mecheam touchdown....[/quote]

I don't agree with you. Here's why:

1) Doughty, Landry, Horton are basically the same player, SS. Out of the three, I'd keep Doughty and Horton because their both better than, "got the brakes beat out of my his ass on MNF" Landry. Doughty and Horton are cheaper and both play ST. Trade Landry's ass for a ham sandich. This draft is deep with FS and OT. Horton and Doughty can't cover worth a damn, but then again, neither can Landry.

2) Kareem Moore is a meat-ball in helmet. Shanny & Allen don't like paying for meat-balls. I doubt his flunky ass makes it past camp.

3) Between [I]bricks for hands[/I] and [I]Zone coverage Hall[/I] the FS spot is hard enough. We should use a good pick on a FS and a NT.

4) The rest of the draft should go on the line and with a new RB.

The secondary are not a bunch of crown jewels. It's deeper than the O-line though. Without a good FS, passing teams will eat the Skins's lunch for em. A FS is a lot more important than a return guy. Shanny is good at getting them. I've never been a Shanny guy, but he knows his runners. Believe that!
That's all I'm saying.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671374]Maybe this has been talked about before but why don't they just use Davis as a wide receiver. He has wide receiver speed. He is faster than Kelly. How could he be stopped on a slant route?

One thing about Shanahan, when he has a weapon, he knows how to maximize it.

I have a feeling that we are going to be dumbfounded by how more effective Shanny's offense is going to be.[/quote]

You could line him up in the slot from time to time no doubt, depending on matchups, the D we're facing, etc

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[quote=tryfuhl;671377]You could line him up in the slot from time to time no doubt, depending on matchups, the D we're facing, etc[/quote]

Cooley gets lined up in the slot (most of the good pass catching tight ends are).

Why couldn't he be lined up outside since he is physically superior to Kelly?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671374]Maybe this has been talked about before but why don't they just use Davis as a wide receiver. He has wide receiver speed. He is faster than Kelly. How could he be stopped on a slant route?

One thing about Shanahan, when he has a weapon, he knows how to maximize it.

[B]I have a feeling that we are going to be dumbfounded by how more effective Shanny's offense is going to be[/B].[/quote]

In ways we don't expect.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671376]I don't agree with you. Here's why:

1) Doughty, Landry, Horton are basically the same player, SS. Out of the three, I'd keep Doughty and Horton because their both better than, "got the brakes beat out of my his ass on MNF" Landry. Doughty and Horton are cheaper and both play ST. Trade Landry's ass for a ham sandich. This draft is deep with FS and OT. Horton and Doughty can't cover worth a damn, but then again, neither can Landry.

2) Kareem Moore is a meat-ball in helmet. Shanny & Allen don't like paying for meat-balls. I doubt his flunky ass makes it past camp.

3) Between [I]bricks for hands[/I] and [I]Zone coverage Hall[/I] the FS spot is hard enough. We should use a good pick on a FS and a NT.

4) The rest of the draft should go on the line and with a new RB.

The secondary are not a bunch of crown jewels. It's deeper than the O-line though. Without a good FS, passing teams will eat the Skins's lunch for em. A FS is a lot more important than a return guy. Shanny is good at getting them. I've never been a Shanny guy, but he knows his runners. Believe that!
That's all I'm saying.[/quote]The only thing making Moore a meat-head is the Mecheam TD and his response afterwards. It's not something that is coaching-proof. That he even made the interception in the first place shows what he can do. Not only that, isn't his rookie contract still in effect? We're paying peanuts for him.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;671380]The only thing making Moore a meat-head is the Mecheam TD and his response afterwards. It's not something that is coaching-proof. That he even made the interception in the first place shows what he can do. Not only that, isn't his rookie contract still in effect? [B]We're paying peanuts for him[/B].[/quote]

That's about the only good thing about him. Coaching might help, so could a superior FS.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671378]Cooley gets lined up in the slot (most of the good pass catching tight ends are).

Why couldn't he be lined up outside since he is physically superior to Kelly?[/quote]

He can to an extent but they'll coach him into blocking too.. he has more of the frame for that

Kelly I think can be a great possession receiver for us, I honestly think that he's been held back, if he doesn't slack in the coming months I think that he'll find his way to number 2.. number 4 at the worst, but only cuz the number 3 is typically the slot guy. Thomas definitely looks like he has the hunger to be a number 1.

There's no reason not to shift Davis around as the slot receiver and even a slot back, but I don't see a hurry to do that full time, especially not with Moss still on the roster

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671379]In ways we don't expect.[/quote]

Was reading a broncos forum about how our fans seem intelligent to the game, but don't know the guys that Shanny actually targets

they said that they expect that having had him for a decade and a half, but that Shanny's plans won't revolve around what we understand about him, that there's something more

very promising on our FA move/s to date, but just hoping it doesn't become paralysis by overanalysis on his part

I mean as much as Shanahan is a greater football mind than we could ever be collectively, egos and pride are on tap readily with coaches

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671381]That's about the only good thing about him. Coaching might help, so could a superior FS.[/quote]
They can refrain from using man-coverage too much then and keep him 30 yds from the line of scrimmage. Less athletic free safeties have gotten by in this league, such as Ryan Clark.

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[quote=tryfuhl;671382]He can to an extent but they'll coach him into blocking too.. he has more of the frame for that

Kelly I think can be a great possession receiver for us, I honestly think that he's been held back, if he doesn't slack in the coming months I think that he'll find his way to number 2.. number 4 at the worst, but only cuz the number 3 is typically the slot guy. Thomas definitely looks like he has the hunger to be a number 1.

There's no reason not to shift Davis around as the slot receiver and even a slot back, but I don't see a hurry to do that full time, especially not with Moss still on the roster[/quote]

The reason I throw it out there is that people wonder how we can use Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time. I am not trying to stir up some Cooley/Davis debate. Honestly, it doesn't matter which guy people think is better. Cooley is a Pro-Bowl tight end even though you can argue that he has never been in a dynamic offense (maybe the Saunders offense with Collins running it was close). Davis has proven that not only does he belong in the league but he needs to get balls...every game.

I think that if used correctly, Davis could create matchup problems all over the field. I don't doubt that Kelly is an NFL receiver but in my head I line up Kelly and Davis. It isn't even close. Davis is bigger, stronger and faster. He is the REAL DEAL and it is time to think out of the box and let these guys blow up the league.

With Cooley, Moss, Davis, Thomas and Kelly on the field we should be lighting it up not scoring 6 -17 a game.

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Also, I wouldn't count on Shanahan being an expert at drafting defense. He's better at milking trades for guys like Champ.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;671387]Also, I wouldn't count on Shanahan being an expert at drafting defense. He's better at milking trades for guys like Champ.[/quote]

We can always hope that Vinny gets another GM gig.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671388]We can always hope that Vinny gets another GM gig.[/quote]

What? And give up his hotdog stand?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671389]What? And give up his hotdog stand?[/quote]

Running another franchise into the ground like he did in San Francisco helps our chances of going to the Super Bowl, if only ever so slightly.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;671390]Running another franchise into the ground like he did in San Francisco helps our chances of going to the Super Bowl, if only ever so slightly.[/quote]

He has ruined you good sir. If we can't beat the best, we ain't squat!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;671391]He has ruined you good sir. If we can't beat the best, we ain't squat!
[/quote]
Lame.

I'll bet the Pats are glad Oakland sucks and is a trading partner with them. Randy Moss, a free first-rounder, and more.