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Seems like almost everyone is excited about getting McNabb and I can't help wonder why everyone is so giddy given the 'Skins track-record of overpaying for big names some of whom are in their twilight years. What do you think the Skins record will be next year? McNabb's stats? Keep in mind McNabb is going to be learning a new system with a new coach and new teammates.


I say 8-8 with McNabb netting 3500 yards, 20 TDs, and 14 INTs. Don't get too excited and get your hopes up, they will inevitably be dashed.

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Meet me in the trap it's goin' down.

McNabb is used to having different receivers by now and he knows the concepts of our system.

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Until the offensive line is significantly upgraded, I'd say the McNabb and Shanahan partnership makes us 3 wins better, 7-9. If we get an offensive line worth a darn then I can see 9-7.

The defense is going to experience a fair amount of change themselves.

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I say we go 10-6, maybe 11-5.

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I think McNabb will get up to speed very quickly. He knows the terminology of the system, he just has to get used to a balanced attack instead of throwing 70% of the time.

I do agree about all the elation around his signing. You've got wonder if Vinny did this what everyone's reaction would be. Another high priced, past his prime vet brought in for high draft pick(s).... Granted it's a qb, but still.

On the low end I'd say 7 wins, on the high end I'd say 10.

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I am excited becasue the Redskins are a "get away" for me from reality. So Iwant to hope my "get away" is at least going to be fun.

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Without knowing who will play on the o-line I find it impossible to speculate too much. However, I will say that Shanny's system will be far more familiar than new to McNabb. Reid's Philly offensive concepts are not dissimilar.

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[quote=GMScud;685944]
You've got wonder if Vinny did this what everyone's reaction would be. Another high priced, past his prime vet brought in for high draft pick(s).... Granted it's a qb, but still.[/quote]

IMO. If Vinny did this he would still be here! What I mean is if he was bold enough to replace JC.

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I don't know if it's the same trap. I was kind of skeptical about this news at first. But, taking a step back, there are plenty of differences with this situation. When we got Mark Brunell, he had came off a serious injury and hadn't played a lot of football. McNabb was fairly healthy last year, and still has a strong arm. McNabb holds all of the passing records in Philly (yes I know it's Philly!) He's gotten to a Super Bowl and he's one Super Bowl win away from probably being a hall of fame QB. Plus, I think we're getting him a bit younger than what we had gotten Brunell (I think, right?)

It's the same offense he's used to playing in. He won't have to throw nearly as much each game as he did in Philly. Really, it's not a question about McNabb at all...it's the offensive line. That really will decide if the Redskins are a 10 win team this coming season or will they be .500 or below.

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[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/receivers-say-mcnabb-is-already-redskins-leader/"]So far he is making a good impression on the people he throws to.[/URL]

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I believe the first half of the season we may struggle with the adjustments to the new system/scheme. The second half should be better. Overall we're probably looking at 8-8 or 9-7. (with the obligatory "injury-free" caveat).

Looking at our schedule and making assumptions (we all know what happens when you ass-u-me):

Eagles - W & L
Cowboys - W & L
Giants - W & L
Colts - L
Bucs - W
Rams - W
Texans - ?
Bears - W
Packers - ?
Vikes - L
Lions - W
Jags - ?
Titans - ?

I expect McNabb to be in-line with his last three years:

3500-3600 yards / 22TD / 9INT / 61% comp / 2-3 TD rushing

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i felt the same way when it first happen but mcnabb has seemed to mesh really good so far. maybe 10-6 and avg stats

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If we get Okung, 10-6. If we can get either Bulaga or Campbell from maryland, and B. marshall, 11-5, possibly 12-4.

Now who says Im not a fan????

:)

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Seriously tho, assuming we make a substantial upgrade at RT and LT, barring injuries, I think 9-7 - 11-5 is definitely possible.

You gotta think we'll sweep the iggles, and of course the cowgirls also!!!!

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16-0! Httr!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;685960]16-0! Httr![/quote]
maybe if we get FLOZELL

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Sheeeeeeeeeit. No Flozell Adams talk for the rest of the day.

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Given what we know today: we will win between 5 and 12 games. McNabb will have more TD's than INT's. Our RB's will have more than 200 carries combined.

I'll be more specific once preseason starts. ;)

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I think there's two good reasons for some optimism:

Shanahan and now McNabb

Plus, after last season it can't get any worse. Can it?

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I think the cobination of players brought in, the draft and coaching will greatly change us for the better:

Eagles -W
Cowboys -W
Giants -L
Colts-L
Bucs -W
Rams -W
Texans -W
Bears-W
Packers -L
Vikes -L
Lion-W
Jags -W
Titans -L
Eagles-W
Giants-W
Cowboys-W

I say 11-5, we will win against the teams we are supposed to beat. I think we will sweep the Eagles. The Giants have had our number recently so I say we will split with them. The cowboys I will always say we beat because I hate them. We will beat the Texans Kyle should know that team like the back of his hand. I think the running game is the piece that everyone is underestimating right now.

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I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;685974]I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.[/quote]

All that does is state that it can happen, and we actually could be lowballing projections for the Wins department! thats all. and if there is a coach that could make a drastic turnaround like that, Id take shanny any day of the week, and twice on sundays!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;685969]Given what we know today: we will win between 5 and 12 games. McNabb will have more TD's than INT's. Our RB's will have more than 200 carries combined.

I'll be more specific once preseason starts. ;)[/quote]

I think you nailed it "C". I agree. It's almost like you're "psychic" or something. :eek:

I'm just really glad Kyle Shanahan is here. :)

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I'm just hoping my rooting for McNabb now that he's a Redskin will yield better results than the times I rooted for him as an Eagle.

After rooting for Donovan in every big game he's played in and been dissapointed more often than not, I can imagine what it must have been like for Eagle fans. I won't find it odd rooting for him now that he's here, and if he can stay healthy he will improve our W/L record........to what extent I'm not sure.

I'll continue to be optomistic about the team's ability to improve until there's clear evidence to the contrary.

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And to add to the apparent euphoria, now this from a writer that never was bashful in bashing the ‘Skins (sometimes for good reason):

“…Thus far, the upgrades -- in front office personnel, coaching staff and quarterback -- have already returned the Redskins to being a contending team. The days of being the butt of jokes appear to be over. As are the days of coddling prima donnas, over-reaching for players past their primes, and parting with draft picks haphazardly…”

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81768be0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true"]Jason La Canfora column-NFL.com[/URL]

He went on further to say some very positive things about the recent evolution happening at Redskins Park. Has JLaC’s prescription for Hydrocodone been refilled or something?

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[quote=Lotus;685949]Without knowing who will play on the o-line I find it impossible to speculate too much. However, I will say that Shanny's system will be far more familiar than new to McNabb. Reid's Philly offensive concepts are not dissimilar.[/quote]

well for the most part we know exactly who will play on the offensive line.
Left guard is Derrick Dockery. Center is Casey Rabach. Right guard is EITHER Hicks or Big Mike. Right tackle is Heyer because Shanny keeps talking like he ishigh on him. And HOPEFULLY...Okung will be the left tackle. That is the only position which is clearly up in the air but we will know that in less than 2 weeks.

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Yeah this happens too often. I know we got a GM, but even with Donovan in the fold, our team is weak with a roster of underperformers so you can't believe we will go better than 10-6. 8-8 or 9-7 is my bet. 10-6 is not out of range in my opinion, but our Wr corp has to be much improved as well as our D. I think it is great to be optimistic, but with the letdowns we all have experienced we need to temper it down a bit. That way if they do only have around a 500 record it isn't much of a disappointment, and if they do get double digit wins we can be totally elated.

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[quote=internetcareer;685983]well for the most part we know exactly who will play on the offensive line.
Left guard is Derrick Dockery. Center is Casey Rabach. [B]Right guard is EITHER Hicks or Big Mike[/B]. Right tackle is Heyer because Shanny keeps talking like he ishigh on him. And HOPEFULLY...Okung will be the left tackle. That is the only position which is clearly up in the air but we will know that in less than 2 weeks.[/quote]Don't count Rino out just yet.

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I say we go 7-9

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[quote=sandtrapjack;685974]I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.[/quote]


I bet you wear Dale Hanson PJ's

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[quote=Mattyk;685970]I think there's two good reasons for some optimism:

Shanahan and now McNabb

Plus, after last season it can't get any worse. Can it?[/quote]

We willl do way better than 4-12, but the other guys are right, other than McNabb and our two FA running backs, we still are essentially the same team.Since we lost our #2 pick to get McNabb, we might only be able to scrounge up one starter for our O line this year. Any linemen in rounds 4-7 if you play the odds, are going to be just roster fodder or practice squad material if they show some promise.

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[quote=internetcareer;685983]well for the most part we know exactly who will play on the offensive line.
Left guard is Derrick Dockery. Center is Casey Rabach. Right guard is EITHER Hicks or Big Mike. Right tackle is Heyer because Shanny keeps talking like he ishigh on him. And HOPEFULLY...Okung will be the left tackle. That is the only position which is clearly up in the air but we will know that in less than 2 weeks.[/quote]

Let's look again:

LT: ??? at least until April 22 - there is no guarantee right now that Shanny will draft Okung
LG: Dock
C: Rabach
RG: you actually indicate that this is in doubt. Could be Hicks, Williams, Rino, or a FA or rookie to be named later
RT: Heyer is hardly a shoo-in. Could be a FA or rookie to be named later.

The offensive line of 2009 brought down the whole team. The offensive line of 2010 is 60% uncertain right now. QED it is too early to be making predictions.

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Tough to say how we'll do because key roles on the roster are not set yet. I do imagine that this team will put more effort than we saw in games like Detroit and KC last year.

I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime

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Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.
[quote=sandtrapjack;685974]I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.
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Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all
[quote]Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?
[/quote]You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.
[quote]
And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.[/quote]
Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.
[quote]
And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.[/quote]
2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;685992]We willl do way better than 4-12, but the other guys are right, other than McNabb and our two FA running backs, we still are essentially the same team.Since we lost our #2 pick to get McNabb, we might only be able to scrounge up one starter for our O line this year. Any linemen in rounds 4-7 if you play the odds, are going to be just roster fodder or practice squad material if they show some promise.[/quote]

Several key guys from previous years are gone:

Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
Fred Smoot
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
Antwaan Randel El

I think it's safe to say this won't be the same team in 2010. It will definitely have a new attitude courtesy of Mike Shanahan.

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The thing about the recent mistakes of the past were that the acquisitions involved players that were not scheme-fits(Jason Taylor), not that good to begin with(Brandon Lloyd, ARE), or we SIMPLY DID NOT USE THEM(T.J Duckett). McNabb is EVERYTHING that they are not. Also, the FA acquisitions like LJ, Parker, Hicks, etc all have VERY CHEAP contracts.

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[quote=SmootSmack;685997]Tough to say how we'll do because key roles on the roster are not set yet. I do imagine that this team will put more effort than we saw in games like Detroit and KC last year.

[B]I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime[/B][/quote]

seriously and how is he so over priced, the way i see it we got a 6 time pro bowl qb for 11 mil i don't think that is over priced, he is one of the top ten qb's in the league and he is now a redskin i just don't see how you can consider this a bad move.

i will not however drink the koolaide and say we are gonne win 12 games this year, i just don't see that happening but i do see an improvement if we had mcnabb and shanny last year we could have won 10 or 11 games, this season we have a lot harder schedule though

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[quote=Mattyk;686003]Several key guys from previous years are gone:

Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
Fred Smoot
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
Antwaan Randel El

I think it's safe to say this won't be the same team in 2010. It will definitely have a new attitude courtesy of Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

Hmmm, not sure if any of these guys would qualify as "key guys." The only one that comes close is perhaps Cartwright as a primary kick returner. How sad.

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[quote=saden1;686015]Hmmm, not sure if any of these guys would qualify as "key guys." The only one that comes close is perhaps Cartwright as a primary kick returner. How sad.[/quote]

I think they were definitely "key guys"

ARE was our #2 WR for several years, RT our starting right guard, Betts our #2 back...

They played major roles on the team

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Griff was also the main DT before Al came along and Thomas was the starter at RG. Hardly insignificant.