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Glad to see him doing well and getting a fresh start. I'll go out on a limb and say he will have be a very good year and take the Raiders to the playoffs.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=5441355]QB Jason Campbell making a big difference for Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/05/SPAG1EOQ5B.DTL]Campbell looking to thrive with Oakland[/url]

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I hope so. I wasn't a big fan of his performance while he was here, but he was clearly a class act. Wish him nothing but the best.

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Glad to see this, I wish nothing but success to Campbell.

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I get his frustration but he didn't prove himself as franchise material.. then again not many do

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[quote=tryfuhl;718183]I get his frustration but he didn't prove himself as franchise material.. then again not many do[/quote]

It makes a difference when the team ownership wants you as a QB. Maybe that confidence that he never had here in DC will get him over the hump.

But, water under the bridge, I hope he succeeds. (And I hope this doesn't turn into a Campbell bitchfest, Lord knows we've had enough of those)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;718178]Glad to see him doing well and getting a fresh start. I'll go out on a limb and say he will have be a very good year and take the Raiders to the playoffs.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=5441355]QB Jason Campbell making a big difference for Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/05/SPAG1EOQ5B.DTL]Campbell looking to thrive with Oakland[/url][/quote]


I'll go out on a limb and say your completely off your rocker. not only will the Raiders not break .333, but Campbell will stink it up and Oakland fans will blame the 15 systems he's had to learn in the past 16 years or some other such nonsense. news flash: Campbell is not a starting-caliber NFL qb.

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JaMarcus must have been really, really bad for Asomugha to say that. And Gradkowski must have not been too great either.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;718188]I'll go out on a limb and say your completely off your rocker. not only will the Raiders not break .333, but Campbell will stink it up and Oakland fans will blame the 15 systems he's had to learn in the past 16 years or some other such nonsense. news flash: Campbell is not a starting-caliber NFL qb.[/quote]

Yup, talk shit about the guy even though he's not in a Redskins uniform. So much for this not turning into a bitchfest. :doh:

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;718188]I'll go out on a limb and say your completely off your rocker. not only will the Raiders not break .333, but Campbell will stink it up and Oakland fans will blame the 15 systems he's had to learn in the past 16 years or some other such nonsense. news flash: Campbell is not a starting-caliber NFL qb.[/quote]

This is the least insightful post i've read in a long time. There's no reason to believe JC can't have success in the NFL. He played in one of the toughest football markets (especially for a QB) w/ easily one of the worst o-lines year after year. Very, very few QBs would have been successful in his position.

Oakland gives him a fresh start. He'll improve over last year a little above his historical trend line, which means he'll have a very solid season. And...he's still one of the highest character guys in the game.

...nonetheless our current QB is a super high character guy and knows how to win. McNabb is a franchise talent. Let's all hope he's got a few great years left.

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I'm defintley pulling for JC this year... I think the Raiders are going to be a lot better this season. I don't see them making the playoffs, but I think they'll be competitive and relevant.

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I am so confident JC will rock this year I am drafting him number one in my fantasy league...well maybe not. =)

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Very happy for JC! He's simply is not a west coast read theole field type of QB. If Hue Jackson designs the right offense for JC, meaning have him read half the field, have a strong running game and have a lot of play action stuff then he'll be fine. JC is a starter in this league. I think Oak. will have a good running game but at this point they just don't have any wr's that are going to help him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;718184]It makes a difference when the team ownership wants you as a QB. Maybe that confidence that he never had here in DC will get him over the hump.

But, water under the bridge, I hope he succeeds. (And I hope this doesn't turn into a Campbell bitchfest, Lord knows we've had enough of those)[/quote]

A sense of stability may ultimately be his greatest benefactor. No resemblance of that here.

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The Raiders will be a tough out this year, I could see them rising up to .500 or so.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;718188]I'll go out on a limb and say your completely off your rocker. not only will the Raiders not break .333, but Campbell will stink it up and Oakland fans will blame the 15 systems he's had to learn in the past 16 years or some other such nonsense. [B]news flash: Campbell is not a starting-caliber NFL qb.[/B][/quote]

News flash: look at the numbers and you will see that Campbell is a middle-of-the-road starting QB, finishing right around 16th in the league. No better than the middle, but no worse than the middle, either. Campbell's problem is that he likely will never be elite, not that he is not starter caliber.

I wish JC all the best in the Bay area.

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[QUOTE]"He's just an automatic leader. He didn't have to get pushed into that role. Once he was in the huddle, you could see guys standing at attention. He's quick to put the guys in their right place, offense or defense, and that's something we really needed from that position."[/QUOTE]
Interesting that this is one of the things CP hammered him on. I remember when Shockey left the Giants, Eli really took a step forward in his leadership. Maybe JC can have the same kind of renaissance in Oakland

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;718188]I'll go out on a limb and say your completely off your rocker. not only will the Raiders not break .333, but Campbell will stink it up and Oakland fans will blame the 15 systems he's had to learn in the past 16 years or some other such nonsense. news flash: [B]Campbell is not a starting-caliber NFL qb[/B].[/quote]

I don't neccessarily disagree with you....except for the bottom line. If Campbell isn't a starting caliber NFL qb....then another 10+ or so starting QB's aren't either.

If you were to say he is not a top 10 franchise quality QB...then I'd agree.
Our issues with our team at this point last year were (in order)
Coaching
GM
Owner
Players (oline, WR, QB in that order)

So, even though we got McNabb....the upgrade is solid but not radical...Campbell is good and I wish we could have kept him as a backup...after all...I think we only got a 4th rounder for him....I think a stellar backup is worth more than that....however, they wanted a clean break and to do the right thing for campbell.

I personally will miss the guy...yeah, very vanilla, no charisma at all, quite dull and uninspiring....but he IS a quality QB. I hope he does well as he is a high character guy.

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[quote=skinsnut;718283]I don't neccessarily disagree with you....except for the bottom line. If Campbell isn't a starting caliber NFL qb....then another 10+ or so starting QB's aren't either.

If you were to say he is not a top 10 franchise quality QB...then I'd agree.
Our issues with our team at this point last year were (in order)
Coaching
GM
Owner
Players (oline, WR, QB in that order)

So, even though we got McNabb....the upgrade is solid but not radical...Campbell is good and I wish we could have kept him as a backup...after all...I think we only got a 4th rounder for him....I think a stellar backup is worth more than that....however, they wanted a clean break and to do the right thing for campbell.

I personally will miss the guy...yeah, very vanilla, no charisma at all, quite dull and uninspiring....but he IS a quality QB. I hope he does well as he is a high character guy.[/quote]

Good assessment!

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Ok. So good to hear from JC.

BUT I will caution this one simple fact:

The last 2 Redskins Training Camps Peter "I dislike the Redskins" King has had rave reviews about Jason playing very well and making every throw. This is JC's time of year. Now if he can do some of it in a Regular Season football game I may give him a chance for success. BUT we all know better than giving the guy to much credit to perform in Real NFL football games. He can do it in camp but can he do it in a game? As some one who has watched all of Jason's career, I am going out on a limb and say NO.

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he's still gonna suck in oakland, that OLine is worse than the one from last year, and his receivers suck.

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As someone who likes to study QB's and their sucess or failure I feel alot of it has to do with where they go along with just how mature they are. A few guys just can't handle the pressure/limelight/money that comes with being a high draft QB, Russell being one of those types.

I hope Campbell does well we all, at some point in our lives, need a second chance.

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Nah, I don't think JaMarcus had any pressure. He just was more concerned about raiding the vending machines in the stadium and wearing fur coats than playing football and there wasn't a counterbalance to that in the Raiders organization.

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[quote=gafinfan;718301]As someone who likes to study QB's and their sucess or failure I feel alot of it has to do with where they go along with just how mature they are. A few guys just can't handle the pressure/limelight/money that comes with being a high draft QB, Russell being one of those types.

I hope Campbell does well we all, at some point in our lives, need a second chance.[/quote]

I think JaMarcus was in too much of a purple drank stupor to realize where he had been drafted.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;718297]he's still gonna suck in oakland, that OLine is worse than the one from last year, and his receivers suck.[/quote]

yeah...I love how people are in LOVE with campbell now that he is gone. Do you guys not remember him sailing it over WR's heads? Do you not remember that his stats were so good cause he'd tack on about 150 yards in garbage time in the 4th QTR when we were already going to LOSE the game? Or when he fumbled the ball? Or didn't check out of the wrongly called play(by that turd of a coach we had) to the right play?

I love him as a person, he is a class act and a great role model for children..but just b/c you are a nice person doesn't make you an NFL QB. I wish him the best, but don't blow it out of the water and say he was good when he was here...cause he was not good. He was middle of the pack which is also know as medicore.

Ask Aaron Rogers how his OLine was...what kind of numbers did he put up?

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[quote=tootergray34;718314]yeah...I love how people are in LOVE with campbell now that he is gone. Do you guys not remember him sailing it over WR's heads? Do you not remember that his stats were so good cause he'd tack on about 150 yards in garbage time in the 4th QTR when we were already going to LOSE the game? Or when he fumbled the ball? Or didn't check out of the wrongly called play(by that turd of a coach we had) to the right play?

I love him as a person, he is a class act and a great role model for children..but just b/c you are a nice person doesn't make you an NFL QB. I wish him the best, but don't blow it out of the water and say he was good when he was here...cause he was not good. He was middle of the pack which is also know as medicore.

Ask Aaron Rogers how his OLine was...what kind of numbers did he put up?[/quote]

We could have said the same thing about Jim Plunkett and how did that turn out? I'm not saying Campbell will be like Plunkett, but you never know. I guess will find out by the end of the season.

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well I guess I'll be the first to say it,I hope JC stinks it up this yr.If he does great it will give the media another excuse to say how bad our organzation is,were so stupid,blah blah blah.Plus I would like to think we knew what we were doing when we got rid of him.

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Tell me again who JC will throw 2 in oakland? D H B? Chaz Schilens? Come on folks, they better hand it to D-Mac and Mike Bush alot. We all know JC is a decent QB but I could name 15 QB's I'd rather have on my team.

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The Raiders will be about the same this season. Too many holes to fill and questions to be answered. JC is an upgrade over Russell though. From what some of the guys in the training camp thread have been saying about Donovan's performances thus far, we need to worry more about him than JC.

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Definitely wish him the best, really liked the kid and still do, one of the few Redskins I will pay some attention to while they are with another team.

I still don't think he was as bad as everyone makes it appear, the line was pretty bad for him every season, but I understand it doesn't matter about that, it's all about the W's and he didn't do it.

I hope he gets it going in Oakland though.

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That is what got him booted. Statistically he was average, and not all that bad, but he didn't get the job done in the end far too often.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718340]That is what got him booted. Statistically he was average, and not all that bad, [B]but he didn't get the job done in the end far too often[/B].[/quote]

Hell Gus, we all saw Jason ( with plenty of time to throw btw ) throw a pick in the end of a game or just straight miss a bunch of throws. Jason was never good in the clutch.

Did he ever go down at the end of a game and lead us to a victory in the final few minutes?

I can't remember one time Jason ever won us a game, but I can remember plenty of times he lost us games. This is one of many reasons he is gone.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718340]That is what got him booted. Statistically he was average, and not all that bad, but he didn't get the job done in the end far too often.[/quote]

I guess we'll never know because i don't consider the trade for McNabb the same thing as Campbell getting booted McNabb is clearly a better QB.
I think a QB gets booted when they just want them gone regardless of who comes in next and i don't think that was the plan.

You plug in JC with the Bengals i don't think they drop off 1 bit from Palmer to Campbell.

At some point fans have to realize top to bottom last year we weren't a good team. FO to Coaching to Running game to WRs to Defense creating TOs.

Very few QBs can get it done alone.

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I wish Jason all the best in Oakland. I have always thought he was a stand up guy who exhibited great talents.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;718343]Hell Gus, we all saw Jason ( with plenty of time to throw btw ) throw a pick in the end of a game or just straight miss a bunch of throws. Jason was never good in the clutch.

[B]Did he ever go down at the end of a game and lead us to a victory in the final few minutes?[/B]

I can't remember one time Jason ever won us a game, but I can remember plenty of times he lost us games. This is one of many reasons he is gone.[/quote]Campbell, historically (Saints game aside), was not a very impressive player in the final five minutes of the fourth quarter, but his numbers in the second half were sparkling (93.3 QB rating in 2009) compared to the first half (78.8 QB rating in 2009). And those numbers probably understate things because Campbell lost a second half against the swiss cheese secondary of the Chiefs with underperformance in the first half of that game.

"Clutch" as you say is completely in the eye of the beholder (and probably meaningless). You could say that Campbell folds up in the clutch like a cheap tent, and you'd be right. I could say that he's one of the best QBs in the clutch in the NFL, and I'd be right. It's probably not a conversation worth having.

One thing that's for sure is that Jason Campbell's sack rate goes way down in the clutch. He processes information a lot quicker when everything is on the line. The [I]quality[/I] of his decisions doesn't really improve any, things are just done faster.

Ultimately, the only thing that changes in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter of a Redskins game is that the conservative scheme could no longer hide the massive gap in talent on the lines. We bash Zorn's scheme, but when they lost the ability to go underneath, the offense performed about as well as a fish out of water.

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Campbell did have two fourth quarter comeback wins (NO '08 and CAR '06), and lost two more on crappy defense (SF '08 and SD '09), so even though his overall numbers drop in "clock" situations, I'd imagine the bottom line for comeback wins comes out right around expectation for a QB who started 52 games on a losing team. Very average, kind of like Jason's tenure here in the general sense.

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One of the big knocks on Jason was always that he wasn't a vocal leader. I think that was a fair criticism, but when you look at the team and how it was run the last few years, I also think you could understand why he never felt like he had the authority to grab guys by the shoulder pads and say "this is my team", either. If you've ever been promoted at a job but knew your boss or your boss's boss didn't really like you, you know what this feels like, and it's difficult to assert any real leadership.

On a team like Chokeland that has been terrible and has had a HUGE talent and leadership vacuum at the QB position, I think it's going to be much easier for him to come in and be more vocal, tell guys to get their shit together, etc. I also think he knows his career is basically on the line, so he should have extra motivation.

I'll be interested to see if he dials the intensity up out there. I hope he does. I don't know if he'll ever be "elite", but I think he can be better than middle-of-the-road, which is what he has been up to this point.

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[quote=GTripp0012;718359]Campbell did have two fourth quarter comeback wins (NO '08 and CAR '06), and lost two more on crappy defense (SF '08 and SD '09), so even though his overall numbers drop in "clock" situations, I'd imagine the bottom line for comeback wins comes out right around expectation for a QB who started 52 games on a losing team. Very average, kind of like Jason's tenure here in the general sense.[/quote]that Carolina game was an awesome one to attend... Vernon Fox pick on first drive.. Cooley's longest catch/TD, Steve Smith mostly shutdown, ST pick in end zone to seal the game

got to "meet" JC after the game and he signed my kid bros' hats.. cheerleader hugged me on her way out too

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;718343]
I can't remember one time Jason ever won us a game, but I can remember plenty of times he lost us games.[/quote]

Panthers game in 2006, while being blitzed hit the pass to Cooley
Saints in 2008, changed the play at the line and hit the bomb to Moss
Bucs in 2009, hit the bomb to Moss in the 4th with 4min to go

You could argue the Saints game in 2006 where he got the bomb to Moss, but I say Rogers more so sealed it with his pick at the end.

In the end, sure he didn't have a lot, but he still did it so saying he didn't is a joke. I honestly don't believe you don't remember any of those, but hey, not all of us have great memory :)

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[quote=dgack;718370]One of the big knocks on Jason was always that he wasn't a vocal leader. I think that was a fair criticism, but when you look at the team and how it was run the last few years, I also think you could understand why he never felt like he had the authority to grab guys by the shoulder pads and say "this is my team", either. If you've ever been promoted at a job but knew your boss or your boss's boss didn't really like you, you know what this feels like, and it's difficult to assert any real leadership.

On a team like Chokeland that has been terrible and has had a HUGE talent and leadership vacuum at the QB position, I think it's going to be much easier for him to come in and be more vocal, tell guys to get their shit together, etc. I also think he knows his career is basically on the line, so he should have extra motivation.

I'll be interested to see if he dials the intensity up out there. I hope he does. I don't know if he'll ever be "elite", but I think he can be better than middle-of-the-road, which is what he has been up to this point.[/quote]Oakland has a very long history of taking talented QBs like Campbell and turning them into winners. Obviously, winning with this Raiders team is relative, and not dissimilar from trying to win with last years Redskins.

The only Raider quarterback to win more than four games in a season since 2002 has been JaMarcus Russell who had five wins in 2008. Kerry Collins had exactly four in 2005. Campbell will probably be expected to best that, and for good reason: he's a lot better than both those guys.