Robert Quinn: Boom or Bust?
 

There is speculation around Robert Quinn as to whether or not he'll be a boom or bust prospect.
Boom:
- He's a fast freakish DE compared to Julius Peppers and DeMarcus Ware
- He hasn't reached his full potential
- He's arguably the best pass rusher in the draft

Bust:
- 9 of his 11 sacks came against bad teams. (I'd consider ECU bad but they had a winning record that year)
- He has a medical history
- He missed all of this year and had one good year

I see people have him going to us in our mock drafts. I'd love to have him; then I saw Peter Kings article [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/10/mmqb/2.html]Carolina Panthers request junior college tape on Cam Newton - Peter King - SI.com[/url]
pointing out where his sacks came from and it got me thinking as to who was the last good pass rusher who had sacks against 'bad' teams and no good teams.

So what do you say skin fans? Want him or don't want him? Boom or Bust?

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Solid boom. Won't be as good as Orakpo but will be in his neighborhood.

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"All 9 of his 11 sacks"? I mean I'm pretty bad at math but...

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[quote=SmootSmack;793044]"All 9 of his 11 sacks"? I mean I'm pretty bad at math but...[/quote]

I noticed that also, but he will be a boom depending on where he goes which is what they say about everyone.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793044]"All 9 of his 11 sacks"? I mean I'm pretty bad at math but...[/quote]

I was gonna comment on that line when I first read it. I think this guy is a bad pick at 10.

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We'll find out soon enough.

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He's my first choice for us (unless Miller falls into our lap). I think he's a boom. Quinn in first and Phil Taylor in the 2nd. Let's build our D.

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Taylor won't last til #41

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I rather move down a couple spots and take Phil Taylor, LB Houston, Jordan from Cal or A. Smith than Quinn.

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I'd rather have Marvin Austin truth be told.


I don't like the fact he's only got 1 sack against 8 ranked teams. What do you think he's going to do with top tier talent in the NFL? Also, he's a DE and we are going to convert him to a OLB who can't cover either? I think one OLB with bad coverage skills is enough on this team.

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The next Lamar Woodley

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[quote=NC_Skins;793057]I'd rather have Marvin Austin truth be told.


I don't like the fact he's only got 1 sack against 8 ranked teams. What do you think he's going to do with top tier talent in the NFL? Also, he's a DE and we are going to convert him to a OLB who can't cover either? I think one OLB with bad coverage skills is enough on this team.[/quote]

That's my concern too, but it sounds like most scouts see him as a 3-4 OLB. It may take him a while to adjust, and guys making that transition deserve some patience.

I would be happy if he's selected at 10 but not disappointed if they go another direction. I think a 3-4 OLB can be trained in a couple of years to be pretty decent. Not saying that there are a ton of UDFAs out there like James Harrison, but TE & OLB are 2 positions that seem to be in high supply these days. There are a lot of great athletes that size in college football. If Quinn or one of the other OLBs isn't taken by us, I see them taking at least 1 in the late rounds plus a couple UDFAs to try & find that diamond in the rough. Guess that goes for all of our draft needs!

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I mean one of the "booms" is he's compared to DeMarcus Ware, and then a bust is he's only done so much against good competition. But I mean Ware played in the Sun Belt Conference so across the board his competition wasn't the elite of the NCAA.

My preference is move down and get more picks, but at #10 I'm perfectly fine with him

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Id take Prince over Quinn and Julio at 10

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I am not going to compare Quinn with Bradford but last year I thought that being out with an injury for most of his last year was going to affect Bradford negatively. Obviously that wasn't the case, so if this guy is talented, being out should not affect him much. Now the medical aspect could be an issue if he is injury prone in his first couple of seasons.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793060]I mean one of the "booms" is he's compared to DeMarcus Ware, and then a bust is he's only done so much against good competition. But I mean Ware played in the Sun Belt Conference so across the board his competition wasn't the elite of the NCAA.

My preference is move down and get more picks, but at #10 I'm perfectly fine with him[/quote]

You take him over AJ Green or Prince at 10?

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I'd rather nab Cam Jordan or JJ Watt.

But if the powers that be think that Quinn is our guy, I will not complain at all.

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[quote=Chico23231;793066]You take him over AJ Green or Prince at 10?[/quote]

Yeah. The more I see of Prince, I probably even take Jimmy Smith over him if not for his character concerns. don't get me wrong, I think Prince is solid but maybe not at 10.

And I'm never really too keen on going WR high.

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I think green is the WR bust of 2011

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I'd be rather diasappointed if we take Quinn At #10. I hope we get a trade partner so we can move down, secure Jake Locker in the teens then use the additional pick gathered on DL (like Cam Heyward, Stephen Paea, etc.) or OLB (Justin Houston, Brooks Reed, etc.)..........that would thrill me.

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[quote=Lotus;793067]I'd rather nab Cam Jordan or JJ Watt.

But if the powers that be think that Quinn is our guy, I will not complain at all.[/quote]

I have a feeling that at least one of those two guys will be available for a song in 2 or 3 years. Sort of like Cariker.

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^ both have bust all over them

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I mean who really doesn't have bust written over them? You can probably make a case for just about any draft pick potentially being a bust

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I agree, and the fact that we've seen tons of "sure things" end up being busts really tells you everything.

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ok so quinn is a projection. He has only played in the 4 -3 defense. The thing is that we need players that will fit our defense for sure. if were stuck at ten lets take watt or jordan. Prince Amukamara wouldn't be bad either. If we trade down to 14 - 17 where most trade projections have us lets take ryan kerrigan or aldon smith. Defense First round

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793126]I have a feeling that at least one of those two guys will be available for a song in 2 or 3 years. Sort of like Cariker.[/quote]

Cam Jordan appears to be a solid, high-character, good work ethic player. There are no sure things, of course, but one reason why I've beaten his drum is that he seems like one of the safer picks.

Put differently: good defenses begin up front. However, our defense is weakest up front and not just at NT. From this, the math seems simple: use the 10 pick up front.

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Browns and Niners have been the two teams most frequently associated with Quinn (above us, that is). Hearing now we may need to throw the Cardinals into that mix.

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^ so where would miller go ? That would be a great pick at 10!

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If Carolina takes Cam, Bills could take Miller. Or Cardinals may take Miller and Browns take Quinn (Browns supposedly have Green and Quinn 1-2 on their chart, but I'm not totally buying that).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793153]^ so where would miller go ? That would be a great pick at 10![/quote]

Von Miller would go to the Browns if Arizona decides to go QB. On a slightly seperate note hopefully a CBA can get done before the draft so we can send McNabb to Minnesota. Wish Arizona was in that mix to, but in looking at Cardinal message boards and articles, the Cardinals brass has no interest in McNabb.

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[quote=Lotus;793142]Cam Jordan appears to be a solid, high-character, good work ethic player. There are no sure things, of course, but one reason why I've beaten his drum is that he seems like one of the safer picks.

Put differently: good defenses begin up front. However, our defense is weakest up front and not just at NT. From this, the math seems simple: use the 10 pick up front.[/quote]

Still if you're going to use a top 10 pick on a 3-4 defensive end you have to be thinking that the player you pick will be on the same level as Richard Seymour in his prime. Either would be a safe pick but I feel like we already have good depth at defensive end and neither player represents that much of an upgrade to pass up on an upgrade elsewhere, like OLB, NT, or QB.

Also if we really wanted to go DE we could easily wait for the second round and get a Cameron Heyward or Allen Bailey. Maybe even have a player like Adrian Clayborne fall to us. I think all three are comparable to Jordan and Watt.

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I agree lotus on Jordan but sometimes character is overrated when you need talent like we do.

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^^ Dirtbag and Okie, I agree with your posted statements, except that I think that Cam Jordan is a future Pro Bowler. Wouldn't you want to draft a Pro Bowl DE at #10?

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^ heck yes I would but would you take him over a Quinn or Miller who can become a dominate pass rusher along side 98? Either way we are in a great spot at 10

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If we don't take Quinn at 10 and move down to pick up additional picks, one name I'm starting to hear a bit (and keep in mind we're now in full smokescreen mode, so who knows what to really believe) is Corey Liuget

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793173]^ heck yes I would but would you take him over a Quinn or Miller who can become a dominate pass rusher along side 98? Either way we are in a great spot at 10[/quote]

I agree about the good spot.

Don't forget that Jordan is a capable pass rusher and therefore can help to take the pressure off of Rak. We could also find pass rush specialist LB's later in the draft.

Yes, I personally would take Jordan over Quinn. Reports are that Quinn had a hard time doing linebacker drops at his pro day. He is more of a project than Jordan. Jordan already has excelled as a 3-4 DE.

Miller would be great but I don't see him there at #10.

Put differently, talent in front of our linebackers will make the LB's better, whoever they are. If our front three can't keep blockers off of the LB's, however, talent at LB is wasted. I think we need help most in our front three.

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[quote=Lotus;793179]I agree about the good spot.

Don't forget that Jordan is a capable pass rusher and therefore can help to take the pressure off of Rak. We could also find pass rush specialist LB's later in the draft.

Yes, I personally would take Jordan over Quinn. [B] Reports are that Quinn had a hard time doing linebacker drops at his pro day. [/B] He is more of a project than Jordan. Jordan already has excelled as a 3-4 DE.

Miller would be great but I don't see him there at #10.

Put differently, talent in front of our linebackers will make the LB's better, whoever they are. If our front three can't keep blockers off of the LB's, however, talent at LB is wasted. I think we need help most in our front three.[/quote]

Where did you hear this? If this is true I don't want him anymore, and I want Cameron Jordan even more, since I've read that he can drop into coverage as a linebacker too.

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I heard the same (in regards to linebacker drops) from Mayock and Lombardi on NFL network.

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Miller would be sexy but wont happen. jordan would be my choice if we trade down then kerrigen

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[quote=GreekSkin;793181]I heard the same (in regards to linebacker drops) from Mayock and Lombardi on NFL network.[/quote]

That's where I heard it.