How far can Beck take us?
 

Shanny seems to be sold on this guy. If we sign who we think we will in Cullen Jenkins, Phillip Buchanon, and Jamaal Brown, and we sign two other guys (C/G, WR), we could potentially have a pretty solid roster this year on the condition that Beck is able to deliver. IMO, in todays nfl, a team only goes as far as its qb can take them. Assuming we get what we think we will, and we sign a couple more FAs (I know, that's alot of "ifs"), how far do you think is the (realistic) limit for beck to take us? I personally do not have faith in him, but the fact that Shanny does makes me re-evaluate my thought process from "we're screwed" to "we're probably doomed, but lets see what he does before we make an absolute statement." So where I stand right now is that I don't think that beck can do it for us, and we should probably start hoping that we get a franchise qb next year, but I'm willing to see what he can do, I'm willing to see if he will surprise me. I do not think beck can make us contenders, but I hope I am wrong.

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not far...............4 and 12

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You don't even know if he's going to win the starting position in Camp. Let's allow Shanny to announce his starting QB at the end of pre-season to start asking those questions. Hell, let the roster fill up at least.

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I would say this Thread is kind of pointless because we still have a chance to get VY or Orton but I'm pretty sure Beck is the guy, saying that I don't think anyone really knows. He had a Great college career, accurate and big arm so he has some tools. Give him some targets which he will have, Moss, CC and I'm hoping Edwards.. Plus A good Run game and. we may have a solid starting QB.

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I say 6 and 10 +/- 1 win

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Fawk Beck. I seriously hope this guy is not our QB. I be so disinterested in this season if he is the starter. The guy is journeyman. I honestly rather have JC back over this bozo.

And they way he is running around like he is the starter is so fawking annoying.

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[quote=NC_Skins;813904]You don't even know if he's going to win the starting position in Camp. Let's allow Shanny to announce his starting QB at the end of pre-season to start asking those questions. Hell, let the roster fill up at least.[/quote]

Beck, Rex, whatever dogshit qb wins the job, its the same question either way. But as of all reports, Beck does seem to be the guy.
And your right, I should let the roster fill up before asking this question, but I'm getting impatient/excited to talk football, and it is a hypothetical question based on conditions. If you don't want to answer, then don't, but its an interesting conversation IMO to have as of today.

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Jeez give the guy a chance.

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No one has been named the starter yet.
FA period is not over yet.
Grossman hasn't been signed by anyone yet.
Beck may never even see the field this season.

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[quote=Mattyk;813915]Jeez give the guy a chance.[/quote]


I'm all for this guy actually. Rather him than Rex or Leinart.

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[quote=Mattyk;813915]Jeez give the guy a chance.[/quote]


...and you guys talk about me?....lol

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Who know's Beck could be the next Romo?

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[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/7/27/2294686/washington-redskins-john-beck-nfl-free-agency]NFL Free Agency: Why Going With John Beck Is Best Alternative For Redskins - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;813925]Who know's Beck could be the next Romo?[/quote]

Oh joy.......

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[quote=Alvin Walton;813936]Oh joy.......[/quote]


I'd take Romo over anyone we've had in the last 10 years

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I brought this up in the Stallworth thread. I guess we have to wait and see who we sign and then see what happens over the next month or so.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;813939]I'd take Romo over anyone we've had in the last 10 years[/quote]

Since Sonny actually. yeah, even over Joey T.

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If he earns the job (he still has to earn the job, Shanny won't play him if he doesn't think he can win with him), I forsee him being solid.

I don't see us making deep playoff appearances with him or anything, but I think he can be a stabilizing force at the quarterback position for a few years, with a couple surprising runs here and there. He might not be elite, but he'll at least be stable.

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How far? You can't win a marathon with a first time runner so i guess not to the podium.

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Maybe he will take us all the way to Andrew Luck.

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[quote=NLC1054;813957]If he earns the job (he still has to earn the job, Shanny won't play him if he doesn't think he can win with him), I forsee him being solid.

I don't see us making deep playoff appearances with him or anything, but I think he can be a stabilizing force at the quarterback position for a few years, with a couple surprising runs here and there. He might not be elite, but he'll at least be stable.[/quote]

On what do you base these opinions? The guy hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL game since 2007! He has thrown exactly [U]one[/U] TD in his entire four-year NFL career. I cannot see a single reason, other than blind faith in Shanny, for you to conclude that Beck can stabilize our QB position.

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[quote=celts32;814042]Maybe he will take us all the way to Andrew Luck.[/quote]

DITTO!!! Remember Spurrier? He had faith in Matthews and Danny Awful! Poor QB in the NFL = Poor season.

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Beck will shock us all watch.

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[quote=huntz;814052]DITTO!!! Remember Spurrier? He had faith in Matthews and Danny Awful! Poor QB in the NFL = Poor season.[/quote]

I don't really think that though...we are no where near the worst team in the league.

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The answer to all your doubts and fears can be found in the John Beck thread. That thread leaves no stones un-turned.

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[quote=huntz;814052]DITTO!!! Remember Spurrier? He had faith in Matthews and Danny Awful! Poor QB in the NFL = Poor season.[/quote]

Do you want to remember Spurrier? Here, let me refresh your memory on how good of a coach Spurrier was.

[quote=Ross Tucker]
“Marty was the only guy that literally I think almost all of us would run through a wall for,” Tucker said. “I mean, he could just get the hair on the back of your neck standing up. He was awesome....But then the next year Spurrier comes in and we go to Dickinson for training camp and his opening meeting was, ‘You know men, I played 12 years in the NFL and went to 12 of these here training camps and I can’t remember one darn good thing I ever got out of it. But you know what, Mr. Snyder wants us to be here, so let’s try to get something done.’ ”

More:

On the preseason success: “What was weird was I was starting, I started every preseason game that year in ‘02, and we were killing people. I was like, wow, we’re awesome, I’m awesome, life is awesome, this is fantastic. And then I realized wait a minute, we actually only have two pass protections, and the Steelers are laughing at us because they say they know what our protection is, and Shane Matthews and Danny are getting blown up, and our poor running back, there’s no hot reads, there’s no sight adjusts.

On the organization: “I’m actually shocked that does decently well in college. He was by far the worst coach I ever had. Let me give you an example, his director of ops guy was the least detail-oriented dude I’ve ever met. Everyone in the NFL is like ok the bus is at 10, we’ll get there at 10:15!! The first game I was like ‘What time is the bus?’ he’s like, ehhhh, it’ll probably be around 9. I was like what are you talking about around 9? I’ve got to know. It was honestly crazy. I mean, that was not pro football. I don’t know what that was.”

On leaving: “You know what’s crazy is I got cut by him midway through the year, and I got picked up on waivers the next day by the Cowboys. So I went into Redskins Park to get my bag and all my stuff, and he looks at me and he says Cowboys, huh? And I’m like yup. And he’s like, well, don’t be telling ‘em any of my secrets. I’m sitting there thinking number one dude, your secrets are pathetic, and number 2, as soon as I get there tomorrow, I’m actually going to tell them every single thing I can remember about your pathetic offense.”

On Patrick Ramsey: “If you guys ever could, you should go back and get a sideline copy of Patrick Ramsey’s first start against the Saints. There were no hot reads or no sight adjusts. If a blitz came, his whole philosophy was to change the play at the line of scrimmage. Well, in the NFL, if it looks like the linebacker from the right’s coming, he’s not the guy coming, it’s the other guy. It’s all disguised. He would literally be on the sideline screaming out to Patrick to change the play, so Patrick would change the play, then the defense would shift, and Spurrier would be like no no no no, and there’d either be a timeout or a delay of game. Dude, it was straight high school. It was honestly hilarious. It was absolutely brutal.”
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Don't compare Spurrier to Shanahan.

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[quote=mooby;814069]Do you want to remember Spurrier? Here, let me refresh your memory on how good of a coach Spurrier was.



Don't compare Spurrier to Shanahan.[/quote]


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Comparing Spurrier to Shanny should bring about a automatic ban.

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Spurrier has funny lips, Shanny has a funny eye. That's about your comparison right there.

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only coaches compared to MS should be BB, Coughlin, Reid, Tomlin Etc..

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Can someone tell me why we're not all over kyle orton?

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[quote=horse;814144]Can someone tell me why we're not all over kyle orton?[/quote]

Probably because we already went down that road once giving up a 2nd/4th rounder for a QB "who was proven" only to find out it was a huge mistake. Normally when you get fleeced, bamboozled like that, you generally don't do it again. It's called "learning". However, if you want to keep up the same practices of pissing away our future draft picks for the next sure thing to "win now", then I suggest we pull that trigger. Vinny Cerrato surely would have.


Now, I understand exactly why this franchise was wrecked for over a decade. Our owner is exactly like our fans.

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[quote=horse;814144]Can someone tell me why we're not all over kyle orton?[/quote]

B/c we have the next Johnny U ready to step up behind center. Soon enough everyone will be singing the praises of Johnny B, the red-headed wonder!!

Plus, we would have to give up a 3rd rounder to get Orton.

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[quote=NC_Skins;814154]Probably because we already went down that road once giving up a 2nd/4th rounder for a QB "who was proven" only to find out it was a huge mistake. Normally when you get fleeced, bamboozled like that, you generally don't do it again. It's called "learning". However, if you want to keep up the same practices of pissing away our future draft picks for the next sure thing to "win now", then I suggest we pull that trigger. Vinny Cerrato surely would have.


Now, I understand exactly why this franchise was wrecked for over a decade. Our owner is exactly like our fans.[/quote]

BA has said he would make the same trade all over again....no regrets! True or false?

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QB is only 1 of the Skins problems. This team has too many holes to be much of a contender.

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[quote=Longtimefan;814408]BA has said he would make the same trade all over again....no regrets! True or false?[/quote]


BA is full of shit too. What's he going to say publicly?

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[quote=irish;814481]QB is only 1 of the Skins problems. This team has too many holes to be much of a contender.[/quote]

Even the packers had holes last year (OLB stands out IMO). You can have a couple of holes and still be a contender. Look at the colts, their team is junk without Manning. A good qb can take a team with a few holes far. If we get a WR, an interior lineman, a right tackle, get cullen jenkins, and resign buchanon we have enough pieces to be contenders if our qb can perform at a high enough level. Cullen, buchanon, the right tackle are all locks IMO. This is a completely hypothetical situational question. IF we fill enough holes, how far can Beck take us?

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[quote=celts32;814042]Maybe he will take us all the way to Andrew Luck.[/quote]

LOL!

Honestly, I have very little faith in Beck. Shanahan also had 1st round grade on Jarvis Moss and used a 3rd round pick on Maurice Clarett. Just because he's high on him doesn't sell me in the least.

There's a reason John Beck hasn't taken a snap in a regular season game since 2007 and has been on 3 teams in 4 years. I get the feeling if it was going to happen for him it would have already.

I'm the same boat as SS- I think Rex has a better shot at leading this team to W's than Beck.

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THe fact remains, if the offensive line is any good I think we have skill players around Beck to make a difference as far as offensive output. He is a smart kid, has the arm just not sure he has really ever gotten the chance to play. Parcells is a pretty good judge of talent, and he sent a 2nd round pick to Baltimore to get him to Miami. It all is on the offensive line, and Shanny's ability to bring in guys that can play his scheme and have some quality back up if someone goes down. I say 8-8 is pretty good given the transition, but that could go up or down either way by 2 games depending on the D. IF the D comes out and is solid, then we could be fighting for a wild card.

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dude, if you think tis team is geting anywhere NEAR 10-6 with beck and clemmons as our qbs.............then "pass the dutchie for me left hand side"

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We're getting to 10-6 with Rex