Will we draft a WR or get a free agent
 

What do u folks think is gonna happen? Plaxico, Steve Smith, Moss, Williams, Edwards. What is the senario that you see happening, or what do you want to see happen?

Me I see either one of two things happening...

first senario: we get plaxico, and Draft Heath Miller in the first round.

Second Senario: We miss Plaxico, take Mike williams in the first and get an upgrade in tightend through trade or free agentcy.

I think the focus this year is to solve the problems on offense rather than drafting in the first for defense.

what i would like is for us to sign plaxico. hes huge with good speed, and still fairly young. in the first round i think we should trade down and get a second rounder. and assuming we get a 2nd rounder for gardner, heres what id like to see

1st rounder- David Pollack/Matt Roth- 2 guys who have unstoppable motors, and give a lot of heart with a lot of talent

2nd rounder- Elton Brown- Massive, strong, and experienced

2nd rounder- Top Center available

I think that's a HUGE assumption.

I don't think we have a second round pick?

Don't understand why the huge sentement for Burress, the guy is M.Westbrook all over again he's nothing special, guy's are looking at him as if he's the second coming of Jerry Rice, 1 word for him UNDERACHIEVER! Don't want him, We will draft a reciever probably Edward's or Williamson, and while I am on it we are not drafting a TE in the first rd, mark it down!

Washington could be a good fit for Burress. Coles is a Hines Ward type receiever (granted not near as good) but he'll be able to open Burress up. I honestly don't get too psyched about Burress either, but no one coming out tickles me either.

Take WIlliams with the no. 1 or trade down. Joe's probably scared to take a Michigan WR in Edwards seeing his last no 1 Michigan pick was a bust.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I don't think we have a second round pick?[/QUOTE]


Correct. We traded for the Saints THIRD ROUNDER last year for our SECOND ROUNDER... that makes sense....

BUT... we drafted Chris Cooley with that pick so looks like the jokes on me!

Honestly, I think just upgrading the line to give Ramsey more time to throw will make our current receivers look THAT much better.

What I like about Burress is his tremendous potential. When his head is in the game the guy is a force. Plus he's a proven guy that can step right in and won't have to adjust like a rookie will.

I'm not crazy about the lackadaisical attitude he seems to have at times, but perhaps Gibbs and this staff can get him pointed in the right direction.

Other than Burress there's not much to get excited about from the available free agent WR's.

Houshmandzadeh had a good season but he's more of a possession guy, Muhammad had a hell of a year but he's looking for a mega deal, I'm thinking Gibbs might think twice before offering another big contract to an aging veteran. ;)

we have depth at WR, we have no depth at the line positions.

Mike williams is not a gamebreaker. braylon edwards is but drops alot of balls. no point in drafting those guys. let jacobs and McCants fight it out.

I USED to be all about drafting a WR, but the more I hear the outcry about WR's out of college being busts, the more concerned I am also getting. I DO like the prospect of drafting a good blocking TE in the later rounds and addressing the offensive line positions.

Whoever thinks that we're wasting our 9th pick w/ a TE is on some serious stuff.

I think we might end up trading down...

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Whoever thinks that we're wasting our 9th pick w/ a TE is on some serious stuff.

I think we might end up trading down...[/QUOTE]

I agree, unless there's a Shockey/Heap/Gonzalez like talent there forget about it, even if there is can we really afford to take a TE when we have other more pressing needs??

What is a TE going to do to help fix the offense? Cooley is a good receiving option at the H-back, what we really need is a solid blocking TE.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]
What is a TE going to do to help fix the offense? Cooley is a good receiving option at the H-back, what we really need is a solid blocking TE.[/QUOTE]

We can easily find a good blocking TE via free agency or a 6th or 7th round pick.

I agree w/ the fact we have way more pressing needs on offense besides TE. TE should be the least of our worries.

I'm not saying with our first round pick, I'm saying in the later rounds. Basically I'm confused when what we do with our first round pick. I guess I'm jumping onto the DE bandwagon because we all saw what a playmaker Taylor was this year and maybe there is another playmaker similar to him at DE.

Here's my draft & FA strategy:

Trade our 1 pick for a late No. 1 and 2nd round pick
Pick a DE like Pollack, or a DT with the late first pick
Pick a blocking TE (Everett, perhaps) with the 2nd round pick
Trade Gardner for 2nd round pick
Pick an O-lineman with that pick.
Sign Plexico in free agency to address our needs at WR
Sign a center in free agency
If Smoot isn't resigned, Harris starts and we build depth at CB through later round draft picks

Does anyone know if we can reasonably expect Samuels to be traded for a high draft pick?

I would like to see Gibbs draft a pass rusher, so the D can truly be the force Gregg Williams wants it to be.

A TE is not a nec. as Cooley will play the TE & H-back positions with authority!

WR is a must position for the Skins & I'm sure Danny Boy will be looking to spend some dough on experience & potential.

I could see Gibbs trading the 1st rd. pick for maybe 2 later draft picks (late 1st & 3rd). Or Gibbs could trade up & grab Mike Williams, who knows at this point...?

It seems like the coaches have identified the wide receiver position as the most seriously in need of improvement.

It makes sense to look at the free agent options. I am sure they will make a good evaluation about Plaxico Burress. It sounds like they would like to sign him, because I don't know who else they would bring in as a free agent who they can build around. Is there anyone who knows the free agents available?

I think that Coles has rejected surgery himself because it puts his career in jeopardy. The Redskins hope that he heals but are going forward with the idea that the best they will be able to count on from him is what we saw this past year, minus the effects of the finger injury - a solid performance but a couple of notches below what we hoped when he arrived on the impact meter. Otherwise, if they expected Coles to be at full speed, we wouldn't be talking about the "wide receiver problem."

My guess is that we will draft a wide receiver at #9 - either Troy Williamson or Braylon Edwards. We will probably bring in a free agent as well, possibly Plaxico Burress. I think that so much depends on improving our wide receivers that they will not think that one player, however promising is going to be the answer.

WE CANNOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND AND EXPECT IT HELP US NEXT YEAR!!! Sorry but I had to yell that for all to hear. I have said this a million freaking times...good WRs take a couple years to make an impact. You can name like two or three WRs in the last 5 years that came in and offered the type of impact we need at the position. On the other hand...first round RBs, OL, DL and Safties often make big impacts. We have a need with at least one of those positions. Look guys, none of the WRs this year are sure bets by any stretch. If you look at first round WRs the last five years they are remarkably hit or miss. Generally when they hit they hit just a little (see fitzgerald...remember him? the greatest WR in college history he was called. he was also called the next Moss. He was certainly an impact player but not the kind we all want.) and when they miss they miss a lot(see our own Gardner). We are a team built for the next two year which means we need a draft a player that can come in and bw a force for us now. That could be difficult at the 9th spot but they'll be something better than any of the receivers. I might have to poke one of my eyes out if we draft a WR.

FRPLG:
Roy Williams
Anquan Boldin
Lee Evans
Michael Clayton
Andre Johnson

There are 4 off the top of my head, and Im sure I could find more receivers that made an impact. That rookie from Dallas made an impact on us, it depends on what you consider impact. Those are the guys that put up big numbers.

Why don't you list 3 Dlinemen that made a splash in their rookie year in the last three years. It'll be a lot harder.

I am not one who buy's into a WR can't impact a team his first year if he's an exceptional talent he can, throughout the NFL time and again we see player's coming in and doing thing's everybody else say's they can't, the key is making sure the player you draft is a real talent and the situation they are put into is condusive to their talent's, how many free agent's can we afford to sign? Burress would be a big waste of money, we already have a Burress on our team his name is Gardner, I wan't to know who think's Burress's number's would be anywhere close to franchise type money playing for us the last 3 year's, he had everything going his way and still is not an elite reciever in spite of having that kind of talent, I don't wan't to here about his potential he's been in the league at least 4 year's and hasen't reached his potential yet? It ain't happening! Especially after a big pay day.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]WE CANNOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND AND EXPECT IT HELP US NEXT YEAR!!! Sorry but I had to yell that for all to hear...[/QUOTE]

Like Daseal says there are receivers that do make an impact, but I think you are right that we can't rely on a drafted wide receiver to be the "answer" to our wide receiver problem.

So, I think we will obtain a free agent, and draft a receiver at #9. Our needs are critical at that position, and we need to start developing a receiver for the longer haul here as soon as possible.

Coles is not a #1 receiver in my book until he can get healthy. We have a guy ready to make a real impact in Taylor Jacobs. We have Thrash to provide energy and speed as a backup. We can bring in a free agent receiver, but that isn't a slam dunk cure all. McCants is going to be gone I think and we know Gardner is.

So we can draft a receiver and get a free agent possibly. We can do both.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I don't think we have a second round pick?[/QUOTE]

if u read what i said u would have seen that i sed we trade down in the first and pick up a second, all that being said. i once again said that those were my ideal circumstances. i know they are very unlikely to happen. please read it before saying anyhting. thank u

If we take a WR with the 9th pick I would only want Mike Williams. I would rather see us trade down and pick up and mid teens to early 20's and a 2nd rounder. With that I say we take a DE Erasmus James if for some reason he is there if not Marcus Spears or Matt Roth then with the 2nd rounder take Carlos Rodgers if it doesn't look like we will be getting Smoot back. If we do get Smoot back and/or get a 2nd rounder for Gardner I say we seriously look at Fred Gibson. He is a real solid WR with good height and speed. Could be the possession guy everyone thought Gardner would be. With our later picks I say go after O-lineman especially a center. Gibbs and co. are good at finding steals with lineman in the late rounds.

[QUOTE=Big C]if u read what i said u would have seen that i sed we trade down in the first and pick up a second, all that being said. i once again said that those were my ideal circumstances. i know they are very unlikely to happen. please read it before saying anyhting. thank u[/QUOTE]


My bad C. I wasn't trying to be a smartass. I knew we didn't have either a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I just wasn't sure exactly which one. Relax dogg.

I don't want to read too much into this, but I did find it kind of interesting that in his press conference Gibbs reiterated that finding a WR was a priority, as if to say, once again, that the person lined up behind center wasn't reallly the issue regarding the poor offense

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]My bad C. I wasn't trying to be a smartass. I knew we didn't have either a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I just wasn't sure exactly which one. Relax dogg.[/QUOTE]

holla

I can't place his name, but someone mentioned that WR from South Carolina. Anyone think he might be worth picking up in the later rounds provided we don't select a WR with a first round pick or do you think he will be gone by then?

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I can't place his name, but someone mentioned that WR from South Carolina. Anyone think he might be worth picking up in the later rounds provided we don't select a WR with a first round pick or do you think he will be gone by then?[/QUOTE]

Troy Williamson, he would be a great pick up in a later round but I have heard some people have him as the second WR in the draft so I don;t think he will last out of the first round but if he does he would be a great pick up in the second round if we get a pick in there. I still wouldn't sleep on Fred Gibson in the 2nd or 3rd round

[QUOTE=smootsmack]I don't want to read too much into this, but I did find it kind of interesting that in his press conference Gibbs reiterated that finding a WR was a priority, as if to say, once again, that the person lined up behind center wasn't reallly the issue regarding the poor offense[/QUOTE]

I thought his singling out of the wide receiver position as the top priority was interesting. It says, along with some other comments he made, a few things to me:

1) Coles is no longer regarded as the receiver the Redskins will build around. There will be no surgery, and there is no feeling that we can count on him returning to peak form, though we all hope that it happens.

2) Gibbs said we are going to look at free agency to see if we can get a wide receiver we can build around, and to me what he left unsaid out of politeness is - to replace Coles' role as the cornerstone receiver.

3) Gibbs has very high hopes for Taylor Jacobs and the implication is that Gibbs sees him as a very productive starter in the reasonably near future, and maybe for next season. Yet, he is not seen as the cornerstone at this time.

4) If Jacobs becomes a starter, then he may pair with the cornerstone we hope to get in free agency. That leaves Coles as the #3 receiver.

5) Gibbs talking about free agency and cornerstones does lead me to think he has one receiver in particular in mind: Plaxico Burress. I'm not sure who else is out there as a free agent WR that would be likely to be seen as a cornerstone.

6) Yes, it suggests that Gibbs is saying that the quarterback is not the issue. Patrick Ramsey is seen as a guy who can do all the things you need to win a Super Bowl, and we have a lot of hope that we will have a solid offensive line to protect him - and thereby allow Clinton Portis to have a chance to shine, which in turn will make life much easier on Ramsey.

[QUOTE=Daseal]FRPLG:
Roy Williams
Anquan Boldin
Lee Evans
Michael Clayton
Andre Johnson
[/QUOTE]
Williams-54 817 15.1 8
Boldin- 101 1377 13.6 8
Evans- 48 843 17.6 9
Clayton- 80 1193 14.9 7
Johnson-66 976 14.8 4

These are their first year numbers. With the exception of Boldin(who was one of the "2 or 3" I was referring to) none except maybe Clayton had the type of impact we are looking for. Boldin wasn't even a first round pick while Evans and Clayton were 13th and 15th selections. Of course Johnson was the 3rd pick and Williams the 7th. Some people around here seem to think we can draft a WR and he's going to help us.What I think(and many more qualified draft "experts" think also) is that drafting a WR requires you to assume that he will take at least two years to mature into a real impact player. Impact I think means more than simply the numbers too. Williams, Johnson, Boldin and Clayton didn't do squat to make their teams much better in the rookie campaigns.

On the other hand...
Freeney 46 13.0
Kearse 57 14.5
Peppers 37 12.0
Henderson 54 6.5
Seymour 45 3.0
I would argue these type of guys had at least as much of the type of impact we need at WR. I just think we cannot afford to spend the ninth pick in the draft on a position that is the biggest hit or miss spot historically(well other than QB I would say). With free agency, good scouting and proper draft strategy we can get an impact WR on the market and a WR later in the draft that can take a year or two to mature. We need to also let Jacobs more involved as he seems capable of being a big play guy if he can stay healthy. Lets just take the sure fire type of guy and not jump on the band wagon for skill players like WR. None of the WRs are big time...they just aren't...otherwise they'd be talked about as top five picks. They are probably good NFL receivers(health permitting) but not one of them screams draft me and you'll be happy right away.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]Troy Williamson, he would be a great pick up in a later round but I have heard some people have him as the second WR in the draft so I don;t think he will last out of the first round but if he does he would be a great pick up in the second round if we get a pick in there. I still wouldn't sleep on Fred Gibson in the 2nd or 3rd round[/QUOTE]
These are the type of WRs we need to talk about...the guys who we can get in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and will end up being productive guys.

I think alot of you don't understand the nature of our offense. If you noticed McCants was inactive for atleast 10 games this season, the reason being that our offense uses the Tight end in a major way.
Cooley is a H-back not a Tight end/ H-Back combination player. He's a natural at the position. He lacks the size to be a true tightend. The Joe Gibbs offense uses the run to move the chains and establish tempo.

Secondly the game has changed because of the five yard contact rule, the game is made for Tighends now. Coachs realize that and so do smart fans. The Patriots have drafted a tight end the past 2 years in the first round... has any of you actualy realized that. That is why they have a great running game and red zone completion rate as well 3rd down conversion rate.

Third: Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Todd Heap were trully big stars until after their first season. You be able to make a judge on how someone will do in the NFL until after they play. Hell look at KW2 right now he's doesn't look so great just injury prone, the same with Charles Rogers of Detroit.

Heath Miller of Virginia has a tremendous up side, he's currently rated 4th on mel's big board and he's known as a monster blocker and pass catcher. That just what the skins need not a glammer pick but someone that will move the chains.

All those that feel well pick defense think agian... this year we had the #3 defensive team in the league (1st in NFC) without our so called number 1 defensive player on the field most of the season. Our offense on the other hand was 31 rated scoring offense, so u tell me which side of the ball would u draft for? u gota score points to win games.

That is why the plaxico/ Miller combination would be the best combination for us. We don't need a second round just for the hell of having one... with the second round who ya gonna get? Teams know things like that already and draft accordingly. lets not forget about other possible players to get at Wideout like Joey Porter, he would be cheap and might have a monster year in the right system. Remember he was the deep threat for the superbowl Raiders so please people sit and think before u speak

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I think alot of you don't understand the nature of our offense. If you noticed McCants was inactive for atleast 10 games this season, the reason being that our offense uses the Tight end in a major way.
Cooley is a H-back not a Tight end/ H-Back combination player. He's a natural at the position. He lacks the size to be a true tightend. The Joe Gibbs offense uses the run to move the chains and establish tempo.

Secondly the game has changed because of the five yard contact rule, the game is made for Tighends now. Coachs realize that and so do smart fans. The Patriots have drafted a tight end the past 2 years in the first round... has any of you actualy realized that. That is why they have a great running game and red zone completion rate as well 3rd down conversion rate.

lets not forget about other possible players to get at Wideout like Joey Porter, he would be cheap and might have a monster year in the right system. Remember he was the deep threat for the superbowl Raiders so please people sit and think before u speak[/QUOTE]

I think most, if not all us understand the nature of the offense, and we realize the importance of a TE in that offense. But we also understand that having wide receivers who can make plays is important as well. And in 2003 McCants was a big-time playmaker for the Skins. So it's only natural to wonder why someone else wasn't deactivated to make room for DM.

I didn't realize that Ben Watson had played such a pivotal role in the Pats' drive to the Super Bowl.

I agree that Porter is definitely someone to consider. I hear though, that he's anxious to reunite with Gruden in Tampa and that he can be a pain in the locker room if things aren't going his way.

You have all forgotten about McCants and Jacobs all they need is a shot. The problems were not at WR this year, though Gardner had his fair share.

QB sacks, we were the middle of the pack. Clinton Portis had no room to run behind the line and still managed 1300+ yards. Yes Jansen was gone, but Samuels wants more money.

Also take into consideration how thin we were at Defensive back since towards end of the season. Smoot's (hope we resign him) contract is up, and Spring's is injury prone. I am a firm believer in if it isn't broke then don't fix it, but the first round should be a CB.

The rest of the picks should be used on O and D linemen. Get some quick, rookie, 300lb hogs to learn under Bugel. Add some youth to our D line that time forgot. The rest of our necessities should be picked up in free agency.

You are not sound offensively unless you can block, but if you can, then even someone as bad as Emmit Smith can look good. By the way, this theory is to help us with the future, not next year, but the year after.

You don't understand Gibb's. In his offense a TE is not typically a receiver, he is a blocker.

Cooley is the receiver at H back.

Coles will still be primary.

McCants possession, or whatever Gardner is supposed to do.

However, I still feel that you all are missing the fact that our yards per carry rushing were lacking, not our passing game, if you focus on the weeks that Ramsey started toward the end of the season.

angryssg, first off welcome to the board and thank you for stepping up to the plate and serving our country

I think that unless we lose Smoot, CB should not be our first round priority. I think the notion that Springs is injury prone is misleading. Except for one season (2001) he has played in nearly every game.

Just because he is hunting down another WR doesnt meanthat Coles is no longer the man. Remember 1991 our last Super Bowl winning season; Monk, Clark, and Sanders. It's a formula that he is trying to re-create in my eyes. Coles, ?, and McCants. The whole Coles is not going to be at his peak again is a coy. You do know that other teams representatives watch and listen to other coaches press confrences. Coles had a record high receptions this year, although his yardage was lacking he still caught the ball. What did Monk do? He caught the ball!

I appologize for making him sound like Michael Westbrook as far as the injuries, but he did get horribly beat in the second Dallas game, and he is no Spring(s) chicken.