Redskins FA's: Who's staying & who's not..?
 

Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins
Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins
John Simon RB ERFA Redskins
Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins
Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins
Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins
Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins
Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins
Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins
Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins
Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins
Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins
Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins
Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins
Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins
Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins

[B][U]Here's who I see coming back in '05[/U]
TE Kozlowski (if Cooley plays more H-back)
DL Salave'a (just another playing piece of Williams excellent D scheme)
LB Pierce (Kid was off the hook leading the D with 112 tackles & a PB selection)
CB Smoot (a must, Smoot needs to prove that Bailey was more hype)
DB Lott (career backup at best)
DB Franz (another NFL Europe project gone good)
OL Brown (old, but still a tree to move, Jansen at 100% leaves Brown where he belongs, warming the bench in late Dec.)
QB Hasselbeck (who else is going to backup, QB Dan Orlovsky?)
RB Rock (if the Skins don't plan to draft a RB?)
LB Clemons (another viable backup)
DL Evans (NFL Europe help Evans become the Skins starting DE in '04)
LB Marshall (Marshall had a career season with the Skins & that should earn him another tour with the Skins)[/B]

[B]What's your thoughts...?[/B]

I'd love to see Clemons being a 3rd DE/decoy. If he played all year I bet he would have topped 10+ sacks. Fast as LIGHTENING.

[b][u]Re-signed:[/b][/u]
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

[b][u]Gone:[/b][/u]
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski

I won't believe Smoot is gone, I just won't believe it!:madani:

BACK:
Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins
Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins
Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins
Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins
Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins
Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins
Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins
Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins
Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins
Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins
Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins

GONE:
Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins
Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins
Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins
John Simon RB ERFA Redskins

LONG GONE:
Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins

Kenyatta Jones was the unheralded star of the line. How can you bash him, he's a hero!:joke:

I suspect that Clemons and Salave'a will get some offers as UFAs. So I think that the Skins will have to treat both of these guys as "budget items" and see if they can afford to keep them. Given no cap restrictions, I'm pretty sure that the team would want both of them.

I think that the Skins will keep either Simon or Cartwright - whichever one they think is the better Special Teams player.

Smoot's staying or going is completely dependent on the money. I don't think he will get a deal similar to the one that Champ got in Denver but I can see him pulling down a nice $12-14M signing bonus for a 6 year deal. Will the Skins match that?

I worry about losing Evans and/or Marshall; both of these guys did a lot of good things during the year that were underappreciated.

I gotta think that Smoot is looking for elite CB money.
He won't find that anywhere.
That said. he won't even come close to signing with the Redskins.

staying:
Clemons
Pierce
Salavea
Hasselback
Evans
Franz
Lott
Simon
Brown
Warner
hopefully Smoot

Gone:
Marshall
Dennis
Koz
Rock
Sellers

Staying:

Clemons, Pierce, Hasselback, Franz, Lott, Salave'a Marshall, Brown - as a backup

Gone:

Smoot, Sellers, Cartwright, Kozlowski.....

kenyatta was released mid season i thought. but i think we end up bringing smoot back. an article on espn sed that gibbs said progress was being made, even though they were still not close. koz is gone i think. i think we will keep most of the others if not all

I feel for poor Rock Cartwright, he just wasn't a fit in Gibbs' system.

One thing for sure!
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72][b][u]Re-signed:[/b][/u]
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

[b][u]Gone:[/b][/u]
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski[/QUOTE]


One thing for sure, Matty the Moderator has clearly thought this out!
I seldom disagree with you man! Matty, even though you are much younger, we think alike with regard to our Favorite team!

do we franchise rock? pay him top five full back salary, lol. that would suck paying him top five hb salary.

im very curious about how much pierce wants.

Smoot will be here I hope if not we better get charlse woodson or else thats another brunnell move by the great joe gibbs.

[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]Smoot will be here I hope if not we better get charlse woodson or else thats another brunnell move by the great joe gibbs.[/QUOTE]
why would we get woodson? he will want just as much $ as smoot does if not more. makes no sence to pay woodson what smoot wants just to cut smoot. if we let smoot go they may draft a cb but not with our #9 pick, they will try to give others a chance 1st.

Malcom:

"Rock" did not fit into the Joe Gibbs system but he made up for that in his sterling Redskins' career by also not fitting into the Steve Spurrier system. :D

[QUOTE=Mattyk72][b][u]Re-signed:[/b][/u]
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

[b][u]Gone:[/b][/u]
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski[/QUOTE]


How do you see Smoot gone...? Who else do they have that's going to cover the #1 WR each week, Springs...?

What's the chance that Brunell might re-neg. his contract & give the Skins back 2 or 3 years so he can seek a trade or just reduce his cap dollars so the Skins can sign Smoots or sign another quality FA..?

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]What's the chance that Brunell might re-neg. his contract & give the Skins back 2 or 3 years so he can seek a trade or just reduce his cap dollars so the Skins can sign Smoots or sign another quality FA..?[/QUOTE]

Probably slim to none chounsman.......

Looking at all the UFA's at the CB position at least helps ease the pain if Smoots bails for the $$$

There are several UFA's at CB that can step in & play close if not at the same level that Smoots played.

Here's a few I found at: [URL=http://www.nflfans.com/draft/]http://www.nflfans.com/draft/[/URL]
[B]NFC PLAYERS[/B]
Aaron Beasley DB UFA Falcons
Kevin Mathis DB UFA Falcons
Allen Rossum DB UFA Falcons
Renaldo Hill DB UFA Cardinals
Brian Williams DB RFA Vikings
Kevin Mathis DB UFA Falcons

Unfortunately, Smoot's numbers are far superior to any FA's available with a 4 year career:
DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 Washington Redskins 14 33 30.0 3 0 5 36 7.2 36 0 7
2002 Washington Redskins 16 61 49.0 12 0 4 12 3.0 12 0 10
2003 Washington Redskins 15 57 50.0 7 0 4 35 8.8 35 0 5
2004 Washington Redskins 15 59 53.0 6 0 3 17 5.7 17 0 10
TOTAL 60 210 182.0 28 0 16 100 6.2 36 0 32

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]How do you see Smoot gone...? Who else do they have that's going to cover the #1 WR each week, Springs...?[/QUOTE]

How do I see him gone, question should be how can you see him coming back??

The latest word is both sides are still far apart on $$ and just going by what Gibbs has said, it really sounds like the Skins are going to play hardball with Smoot and aren't going to give him a penny more than they are offering.

Smoot is looking for a bonus in the range of $14M, the Skins are reportedly offering around $10M, that's a significant gap.

Smoot is looking for big time money and I don't blame him, but the team can't afford to tie up mega bucks at the corner position, not when other key guys need to be re-signed as well like Pierce.

My gut feeling is the decision has been made to start Harris next year along with Springs. Williams really likes the younger guys too like Wilds, and perhaps they'll pick up a cheap free agent corner to back up Harris.

Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins
- stays...he's entrenched as #3, and most likely won't garner any attention from the rest of the league

Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins
- with the coming out party of Ryan Clark, he may be the odd man out in the secondary

John Simon RB ERFA Redskins
- will be between him and rock to see who stays...since Antonio Brown is most likely here to stay as backup returner, Simon could be the odd man out.

Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins
- can't see him leaving. did very well last year in a reserve role.

Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins
- special teamer, dont see getting any attention from the league

Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins
- another reserve that could crack the starting lineup, here to stay, but could get some attention from the league

Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins
- i hate this guy, yet we never seem to get rid of him...

Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins
- will get attention from the league, but will stay

Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins
- should resign

Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins
- hope to resign but money will become an issue, and the dreaded franchise tag will be applied if need be

Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins
- great backup he will make in '05

Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins
- great special teamer, but doesn't fit into the grand scheme of things...most likely gone

Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins
- here to stay...

Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins
- i as well thought he was gone...would make a decent backup

Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins
- won't garner much attention, will resign with Skins cheap

Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins
- should be resigned, great reserve

Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins
- ups and downs...might get some attention from league, will most likely be resigned

how bad a salary cap hit do the skins take if they cut chad morton?he has'nt shown me shit the last two years.it's like the great return man never showed up.

Morton has a 5-year deal with a signing bonus of $2.5M, I know the 4th and 5th years are voidable and I think there's some sort of roster bonus in there somewhere.

Crazy Canuck might want to step in here, I'm not sure if the bonus is spread out over the entire 5 years or just the first 3 before the voidable years.