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Starts tomorrow. This I will watch. I might even be a little giddy.

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Yawn.

Yeah I'm sure there will be more substance than the ridiculous lies of the RNC. Also nothing can follow Eastwood's rambling nonsense, so I guess "yawn" may be correct.

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Yes we will hear plenty of lies in the next day or so. Starving kids, taking away old peoples medicare, etc.... one after another. He can't run on his record so he has to run on lies.

I guess Mr Truth Obama will talk about how gas prices have doubled while he has been in office. Not sure why the rep. are not pushing that fact.

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[quote=firstdown;936681]Yes we will hear plenty of lies in the next day or so. Starving kids, taking away old peoples medicare, etc.... one after another. He can't run on his record so he has to run on lies.

I guess Mr Truth Obama will talk about how gas prices have doubled while he has been in office. Not sure why the rep. are not pushing that fact.[/quote]

Speaking of lies, I'm interested in why Obama didn't do anything about that Janesville plant closing in 2008.

Dude dropped the ball big time. BIG TIME.

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Obama is speaking today down the street at Norfolk State. I found it strange that even today they were advertising tickets for the event. I laughed when they also listed that the tickets were free. Seems Obama is having trouble filling speaking places.


Democrats are poised to avoid the danger of President Barack Obama accepting his party’s nomination before a partially-empty stadium by shifting his speech to an indoor arena and citing ‘severe weather’.
The Obama campaign have been working desperately to ensure that the 74,000-seater Bank of America stadium in Charlotte would be filled.

Buses for students from across North Carolina and even members of black churches in neighboring South Carolina have been arranged.


Read more: [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198206/Democrats-set-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html#ixzz25WTpI6JK"]Democrats set to move Obama's big speech from 74,000-seater outdoor stadium to 20,000-seater indoor arena | Mail Online[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;936681]

I guess Mr Truth Obama will talk about how gas prices have doubled while he has been in office. Not sure why the rep. are not pushing that fact.[/quote]

Lets talk about this one right here!!!


[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/opinion/verrastro-west-gas-prices/index.html]Stop finger-pointing on gas prices - CNN.com[/url]


Now read.....


"Critics of the administration are quick to note that when Barack Obama took office, gasoline prices were $1.95 a gallon. But they neglect to note the U.S. economy was in a virtual depression. For purposes of comparison, when President George W. Bush took office in 2001, gasoline sold for an average of $1.55 a gallon. In the summer of 2008, his last year in office, prices exceeded $4.25. In reality, presidents have little to do with near-term fluctuations in gas prices."

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[quote=Giantone;936719]Lets talk about this one right here!!!


[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/opinion/verrastro-west-gas-prices/index.html"]Stop finger-pointing on gas prices - CNN.com[/URL]


Now read.....


"Critics of the administration are quick to note that when Barack Obama took office, gasoline prices were $1.95 a gallon. But they neglect to note the U.S. economy was in a virtual depression. For purposes of comparison, when President George W. Bush took office in 2001, gasoline sold for an average of $1.55 a gallon. In the summer of 2008, his last year in office, prices exceeded $4.25. In reality, presidents have little to do with near-term fluctuations in gas prices."[/quote]

Great job CNN. If gas was $1.95 because of the depression how did they then get to $4.25?

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[quote=Giantone;936719]Lets talk about this one right here!!!


[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/opinion/verrastro-west-gas-prices/index.html"]Stop finger-pointing on gas prices - CNN.com[/URL]


Now read.....


"Critics of the administration are quick to note that when Barack Obama took office, gasoline prices were $1.95 a gallon. But they neglect to note the U.S. economy was in a virtual depression. For purposes of comparison, when President George W. Bush took office in 2001, gasoline sold for an average of $1.55 a gallon. In the summer of 2008, his last year in office, prices exceeded $4.25. In reality, presidents have little to do with near-term fluctuations in gas prices."[/quote]


This article from CNN is blamming Bush and congress for not doing anything back in 2008.

[URL="http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-09/politics/bush.congress_1_alternative-fuels-gasoline-prices-gas-prices?_s=PM:POLITICS"]President, Congress offer no immediate help on gas prices - CNN[/URL]

She also said it their fault:

[url=http://thestarlette.net/2008/07/18/nancy-pelosi-blames-bush-and-cheney-for-gas-prices/]Nancy Pelosi Blames Bush and Cheney for Gas Prices |[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;936715]Obama is speaking today down the street at Norfolk State. I found it strange that even today they were advertising tickets for the event. I laughed when they also listed that the tickets were free. Seems Obama is having trouble filling speaking places.


Democrats are poised to avoid the danger of President Barack Obama accepting his party’s nomination before a partially-empty stadium by shifting his speech to an indoor arena and citing ‘severe weather’.
The Obama campaign have been working desperately to ensure that the 74,000-seater Bank of America stadium in Charlotte would be filled.

Buses for students from across North Carolina and even members of black churches in neighboring South Carolina have been arranged.


Read more: [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198206/Democrats-set-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html#ixzz25WTpI6JK"]Democrats set to move Obama's big speech from 74,000-seater outdoor stadium to 20,000-seater indoor arena | Mail Online[/URL]

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13, 000 in Colorado a few days ago; same day Mitt Romney had 3,00. Dems will pack BofA Stadium Thursday night.

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I bet President Obama and First Lady mentions our troops unlike some people:)

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[quote=12thMan;936728]13, 000 in Colorado a few days ago; same day Mitt Romney had 3,00. Dems will pack BofA Stadium Thursday night.[/quote]

Its Colorado about the most liberal state. That's like the Redskins selling out a home playoff game.

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[quote=firstdown;936740]Its Colorado about the most liberal state. That's like the Redskins selling out a home playoff game.[/quote]

Dems have only won Colorado twice in 40 years; Bill Clinton in 1992 and Obama in 2008. Hardly liberal, my friend.

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[quote=12thMan;936729]I bet President Obama and First Lady mentions our troops unlike some people:)[/quote]

Not sure how they let that one get by.

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[quote=firstdown;936721]This article from CNN is blamming Bush and congress for not doing anything back in 2008.

[URL="http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-09/politics/bush.congress_1_alternative-fuels-gasoline-prices-gas-prices?_s=PM:POLITICS"]President, Congress offer no immediate help on gas prices - CNN[/URL]

She also said it their fault:

[URL="http://thestarlette.net/2008/07/18/nancy-pelosi-blames-bush-and-cheney-for-gas-prices/"]Nancy Pelosi Blames Bush and Cheney for Gas Prices |[/URL][/quote]


I see you didn't ready my link becuase if you had then you have seen this....


"

Earlier this year, closures of refineries announced in the United States and elsewhere began pushing up gasoline prices well in advance of the coming "driving season." More recent increases are more closely tied to the delicate balance between increased demand growth and concerns related to supply disruptions, including but not limited to concern over Iran.

The single largest component in the price of gasoline is the cost of crude oil. Federal, state and local taxes as well as refining costs, transportation, retail advertising and the cost of the service station lease also figure in. All things being equal, for gas to cost $2.50 a gallon, the crude oil price would have to be in the $50-a-barrel range (less than half of the current price). And to achieve this anytime soon would likely require a global economic collapse.
With oil at $50-a-barrel it would not be economically viable for oil companies to bear the cost of extracting oil locked up in hard-to-reach places such as the deep ocean or oil sands, where much of the new production is found. Such a price reduction would, in any event, be short-lived, as demand would grow with lower prices while supply languished. For the longer term, the president's goal of doubling fuel economy standards and increasing fuel choices makes eminent good sense: It would make $4 gasoline feel like $2 gas to consumers. Also a very good thing."

.....and that NO President can be held responsible for the rising cost of gas.

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Pretty moving piece on Teddy Kennedy, so I thought.

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Prices on everything are going up because of QE1 and QE2, and wait for QE3, then QE4 to really raise those prices. Sorry, but when you inflate the money supply by the trillions, prices are going to soar. Throw in some greed and gouging and you have what we have now, but it is mostly just inflation. Food prices have gone up, and that is even before this summer's bad drought.

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[quote=12thMan;936729]I bet President Obama and First Lady mentions our troops unlike some people:)[/quote]They'll mention the troops.....while gutting their funding and strecthing them impossibly thin.

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[quote=Giantone;936770].....and that NO President can be held responsible for the rising cost of gas.[/quote]Not solely responsible, but when Obama's Energy Secy says he wants to boost the price of gas to European levels, that shows you the overall Obama strategy.

Shutting down the Keystone pipeline and ridiculous permit restrictions on existing drilling operations are the way Obama is attempting to reach his goal.....and we will see $ 6+ gas if he's re-elected.

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Michelle Obama was talking about our great country and all we have done. This from the lady who 4 yrs back said "I'm finally proud of my country" something like that. She needs to decide which one it is.

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[quote=firstdown;936837]Michelle Obama was talking about our great country and all we have done. This from the lady who 4 yrs back said "I'm finally proud of my country" something like that. She needs to decide which one it is.[/quote]

Do you really wanna pull out the political flip-flopping card? Peter Rabbit would be wise to stay out of Mr. McGregor's garden...

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;936815]They'll mention the troops.....while gutting their funding and strecthing them impossibly thin.[/quote]

Do you really want to argue the president's record on serving our veterans? No Republican has even come close to what this Administration has done.

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Firstdown goes...or something like that. haha

First Lady hit out the park tonight. I honestly don't think Bill Clinton or the president himself will do any better. She set the bar really high.

Great first night. Real people, real stories.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;936815]They'll mention the troops.....while gutting their funding and strecthing them impossibly thin.[/quote]


BS, the last round of BRAC was 2005...........

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure_Commission]Base Realignment and Closure Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]




The Pentagon released its proposed list for BRAC 2005 (see [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure,_2005"][COLOR=#0066cc]Base Realignment and Closure, 2005[/COLOR][/URL]) on May 13, 2005 (a date given the moniker "BRAC Friday," a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pun"][COLOR=#0066cc]pun[/COLOR][/URL] on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)"][COLOR=#0066cc]Black Friday[/COLOR][/URL]). After an extensive series of public [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_(law)"][COLOR=#0066cc]hearings[/COLOR][/URL], analysis of DoD-supplied supporting data, and solicitation of comments from the public, the list of recommendations was revised by the 9-member Defense Base Closure and Realignments Commission in two days of public markups and votes on individual recommendations (the proceedings were broadcast by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-SPAN"][COLOR=#0066cc]C-SPAN[/COLOR][/URL] and are available for review on the network's website). The Commission submitted its revised list to the President on September 8, 2005. The President approved the list and signalled his approval to Congress on September 15. The House of Representatives took up a joint resolution to disapprove the recommendations on October 26, but the resolution failed to pass. The recommendations were thereby enacted. The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_Defense"][COLOR=#0066cc]Secretary of Defense[/COLOR][/URL] must implement the recommendations not later than September 15, 2011.

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[quote=12thMan;936844]Do you really want to argue the president's record on serving our veterans? No Republican has even come close to what this Administration has done.[/quote]Obama has increased VA funding for certain programs, however your point is spin at best....here's the real world:

Funding cuts and forced expeditures that don't increase fighting effectiveness/efficiency/safety can put troops at greater risk. Obama also proposed increase health care costs for troops. Examples:

- green fuel that costs $ 26 / gal vs. under $ 4 for regular fuel
- increasing costs for health care on active duty and retirees personnel....while leaving unionized civilian workers costs as-is.
[URL="http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/02/27/pres-obama-cut-health-care-troops"]Pres. Obama to Cut Health Care for Troops - President Obama - Fox Nation[/URL]
[URL="http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-cuts-military-benefits/2012/02/27/id/430757"]Obama to Cut Health Benefits for Active, Retired Military[/URL]

- draconian cuts to DoD that will severely weaken the military. The sequestration cuts are on top of another $ 500B in cuts Obama has already made.
[URL="http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/31/defense-official-says-automatic-cuts-will-cause-absurdities/"]Defense official says automatic cuts will cause 'absurdities' – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs[/URL]

- while we're playing "honey I shrunk the military" (to dangerously low levels), Obama also wants to reduce our nulear warhead capacity (our ultimate deterrent) to 5 times below what Russia has (300 to 1500). That makes sense....we've got the biggest stick, on a dangerous block, and we're going to give that stick to the Russians. Who are being ruled by a guy who is still pissed off we destroyed the USSR....in Putin. I'm sure he has no animosity at all towards us. Is this a f-ing joke?

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Slingin, wait a second friend. First of all, there's no spin here. The president has done even more than what you've listed for our veterans. Like I said you'd have to look long and hard to find a president in recent memory who's done more. Your candidate didn't have the guts to mention our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq once, but he's somehow more concerned and better? Give me a break.

Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement.

Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.

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[quote=12thMan;936845]Firstdown goes...or something like that. haha

First Lady hit out the park tonight. I honestly don't think Bill Clinton or the president himself will do any better. She set the bar really high.

Great first night. Real people, real stories.[/quote]

Funny those real stories talked about their hard work and their grandparents hard work not about what the gov. did to help them. Its not until they started talking about the American people they talked about us needing the goverment to do what they did on their own. Castro was the best example of this and talking about his grandmother working three jobs (he did not mention gov. help). He said her hard work made it possible for them to get where he was today.

Good speeches no substance.

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[quote=firstdown;936893]Funny those real stories talked about their hard work and their grandparents hard work not about what the gov. did to help them. Its not until they started talking about the American people they talked about us needing the goverment to do what they did on their own. Castro was the best example of this and talking about his grandmother working three jobs (he did not mention gov. help). He said her hard work made it possible for them to get where he was today.[/quote]

So then we both agree, government can't do everything for people. No argument there.

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War hero Tammy Duckworth last night. Really great speech.

[url=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-04/news/chi-duckworth-touts-obama-record-at-dnc-convention-20120904_1_congressional-candidate-tammy-duckworth-gop-convention-obama-record]Duckworth touts Obama record at DNC convention - Chicago Tribune[/url]

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Fox News criticizing DNC for not including God in their platform.
[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80683.html?hp=l2]Dick Durbin, Fox host duel over ‘God’ - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;936879]Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement. [/quote]wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

[quote]Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.[/quote]We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.

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Isn't Joe Biden scheduled to give the keynote tonight? Oh, that's right he'll just be a warm-up on Thursday. LOL.

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Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
[url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time[/url]#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;936956]Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
[url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time[/url]#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.[/quote]

scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.

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[quote=Chico23231;936960]scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.[/quote]I'll say the same thing about Romney that I did about Obama when he was elected, he has the opportunity to be a transformative POTUS....if he can govern from the middle and force folks on both sides to come together on this stuff.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;936950]wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.[/quote]

You're complaining about Defense cuts that Republicans voted for? That makes no sense. They crafted the bill and voted for it. Period. Period!

Mitt Romney is a failed candidate. And I still dare you to put any Republicans record against Obama's on his commitment to our troops and veterans. No one even come close, especially Bush I who sent our boys into harms way without adequate body armor.

Don't pedal your Republican talking points about how the right care for our troops when your god damn nominee nor his lying VP didn't bother to mention them one damn time. Get outta here. Romney is clueless.

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[quote=Chico23231;936960]scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.[/quote]

Neither side wants to cut anything. I laugh at the right saying we need to make cuts but freak when talking about cutting military spending. The left has not seen a social program big enough or a goverment agency that is not needed. People say cut spending but the minute those cuts are in their backyard they are against the cuts. I see it here now with the military cuts about to take affect. I'm sorry cuts will hurt some people (miltary cuts here affect me) but its time for both sides to work together and make the needed cuts.

Obama's problem is that he does not know how to lead and bring both side together. He himself starts acting like a baby when he does not get his way and that's not what true leaders does. With Mitt we have seen him in Mass. working with both sides to get things done rather you agree with them or not.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;936950]wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and [B]burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.
[/B]
And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.[/quote]

Slingin, this sentence contradicts itself. Lack of regulation in banking circles caused the mortgage crisis -- later you complain about over-regulation. You want the government to stick their head in and keep consumers from themselves when something goes wrong, but complain about overregulation? Pick one and stick to it.

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[quote=firstdown;937021]Neither side wants to cut anything. I laugh at the right saying we need to make cuts but freak when talking about cutting military spending. The left has not seen a social program big enough or a goverment agency that is not needed. People say cut spending but the minute those cuts are in their backyard they are against the cuts. I see it here now with the military cuts about to take affect. I'm sorry cuts will hurt some people (miltary cuts here affect me) but its time for both sides to work together and make the needed cuts.

Obama's problem is that he does not know how to lead and bring both side together. He himself starts acting like a baby when he does not get his way and that's not what true leaders does. With Mitt we have seen him in Mass. working with both sides to get things done rather you agree with them or not.[/quote]

Good lord, somebody time stamp this post. I agreed with literally, almost, everything you wrote.

Did someone hack your account? You're right both sides need to grow up a little bit and put some skin in the game.