Josh Wilson #26
 

I don't know what to make of Josh Wilson. When he was with the Baltimore Ravens, he did cover receivers well. He was decent. With the Redskins he didn't start coming on until late last season. Then he along with the rest of the secondary started giving up big plays.

That 85 yard TD pass he gave up yesterday to Dez Bryant didn't make any sense at all. I know he was trying to play the ball, but he doesn't have those types of skills to try to make that type of interception he attempted. The only CBs in NFL history I've seen make that sort of play was our own Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Lester Hayes, and Deion Sanders.

Josh Wilson needs to stay with his man in coverage. His coverage on Bryant was solid all game, but he should never misjudge the timing of the ball the way that he did. Because he did that, the Cowboys scored on a long pass play.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

He.never turns his head around, hasnt played the same since he.got his head.knocked around... he's not playing good at all... yet he comes up with a pick here, a FF there... all that matters is that we win

Honestly every game I cuss the guy but yesterday he made the game changing play IMO. That forced fumble was great. Problem with Wilson is he just gets torched every week, yesterday Bryant owned him.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

They got virtually no pressure on Romo most of the second half, its not just one guy, it takes a team effort to be that bad.

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He plays the WR eyes. A lot of corners play this way, that is why his head doesn't turn. He played good yesterday. He gave up a few plays to a monster at WR. Who doesn't?

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Josh Wilson is a Nickel back at best. Not starting caliber anymore. The ravens defense make a lot of players look better than they really are.

(side note; don't get Cary Williams in FA, he looks bad on their defense, which means he's probably worse on ours)

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

I've just been annoyed at the fact that even though he has solid coverage, if he doesn't turn around and barely touches the guy, it's PI. You can see DBs MUG someone if, but if they turn around, it's no penalty. Lame. Wilson is victimized by this a lot. I agree he needs to turn around, but that's a little touchy.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

The Redskins need to draft two corners or develop Richard Crawford and Chase Minnifield. DeAngelo Hall and Josh Wilson can not cover elite WRs.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=Meks;967283]He.never turns his head around, hasnt played the same since he.got his head.knocked around... he's not playing good at all... yet he comes up with a pick here, a FF there... all that matters is that we win[/quote]

When did he get knocked around?

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

i actually thought he had a decent game. other then the TD his coverage was decent. you look at the elite corners, and there is something they all have in common. a good pass rush. something the skins don't have

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Wilson got picked on yesterday big time, but still managed to come up with some plays.

Im not writing off Wilson and think he can still play, but he needs less pressure on him. He cant take the #1 guy, if he does he needs solid safety help. But so does D Hall.

I think you bring back Wilson for sure and bring a stronger Corner on the other side of him next year and lets see how he does. I bet he plays better.

I know one thing, its probably time for D Hall to go, along with that contract. Hall got away with one yesterday with the slap to the face. Plays like that usually cost us. Hall is too much of a liability in coverage and stupid 15 yard penalties.

I think next year, you bring in a Corner in free agency and you draft a corner with one of our first 2 picks.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Wilson had a mixed game, he caused a key fumble, got burned on a gamble play . The last TD by Bryant was just a great throw and catch that not even Champ Bailey breaks up.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;967309]Josh Wilson is a Nickel back at best. Not starting caliber anymore. The ravens defense make a lot of players look better than they really are.

(side note; don't get Cary Williams in FA, he looks bad on their defense, which means he's probably worse on ours)[/quote]

Thiiiiis.

I'm not ready to cut D. Hall yet. Although he obviously has character issues. Keep Hall as a #2, bring in a strong #1 and bump Wilson to either nickle or dime.

Or just cut his ass. I'm happy with that too.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

DHall has 9mill due if we keep him next year. it's not going to happen, he's gone.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Is anyone going to realize that covering Dez Bryant is a very difficult thing to do? The guy is a flat out beast. The shorter TD that he gave up he was in perfect position. It was simply a great throw and catch. Sometimes you simply have to tip your cap to the other team. The 85 yarder was not his fault either. Yeah he gave up the catch but it looked like Williams took a horrible angle. I've said this before, Wilson is always around the ball, he just needs to improve his ball skills. Also our corners are already in a bind cause there is no pass rush.

[QUOTE=That Guy;967364]DHall has 9mill due if we keep him next year. it's not going to happen, he's gone.[/QUOTE]

He'll restructure, he said he wants to retire a redskin when we got him

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Wilson goes to the slot only if we have two guys better ahead of him. Hall was learning the slot and playing there some this year.

Right now he is our best corner and thats why he was playing D Bryant yesterday. We need two guys to jump ahead of him before he goes to the slot

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;967372]Wilson goes to the slot only if we have two guys better ahead of him. Hall was learning the slot and playing there some this year.

Right now he is our best corner and thats why he was playing D Bryant yesterday. We need two guys to jump ahead of him before he goes to the slot[/quote]

Wilson is our best corner? :vomit:

It'll be interesting in the off-season to see who we pick up/cut in regards to the secondary.

I wouldn't be sad to see Wilson or D. Hall go. As long as we could bring in some upgrades. (But I still like D. Hall.. Meh)

It kinda sucks that Crawford doesn't seem to be working out and that Minnifield got injured.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

That is where he is on the depth chart, and those with more knowledge about CBs in the NFL have him there. So as far as playing disciplined fundamentals he is our best guy.

A true number one cb and a pass rush and he is well served covering the second and third WRs on teams. That guy currently isn't on our team. I can tell you it isn't Dhall. He is intense, to a fault. His meltdowns emotionally are a liability.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Our secondary is not great, but there was no pressure and Romo got into rythm in the second half. We had to mess with his timing, and we didnt. It's not rocket science, they were bringing extra guys and still not getting to Romo. The dline gets way too much of a pass.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Our best corner if he can recover from micro fracture surgery, will be Chase Minnifield.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;967386]Our best corner if he can recover from micro fracture surgery, will be Chase Minnifield.[/quote]

Hasn't played an NFL down in the preseason or regular season...STOP IT. You are putting all your eggs in a basket of a player that is very irrelevant. You know this guy can be cut tomorrow and we'll never here about him again.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;967368]He'll restructure, he said he wants to retire a redskin when we got him[/quote]

for zero dollars? that only works if the team wants him, which isn't what i've been hearing. it's weird how people can rag on him for 3 years yet all of a sudden we've won 2 games and now we NEED him.

I think both guys aren't showing well, but either one would be fine as a #2. we don't need both of them at their asking price though, not when we need to sign a real corner to actually do they job that they haven't been able to do.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

If Hall keeps playing like he has the past 2-3 games.. Then I say we try to keep him. He's been balling lately.

Our defense could just need time to develop under the system. A lot of new faces around it. I remember Green Bay's defense was trash, but it's slowly gotten better with time.

Not saying that could happen here.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

way to much hate for Wilson ... he plays solid .. kind of reminds me of another hate CB .. Carlos Rogers ... how'd he turn out ? ... As previously stated, Hall and Wilson ARE NOT THE PROBLEM .. pressure on QB is .. we are playing much better with Williams, Griffin, Wilson, Hall, and Gomes all gelling

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=DCtoAZ;967413]way to much hate for Wilson ... he plays solid .. kind of reminds me of another hate CB .. Carlos Rogers ... how'd he turn out ? ... As previously stated, Hall and Wilson ARE NOT THE PROBLEM .. pressure on QB is .. we are playing much better with Williams, Griffin, Wilson, Hall, and Gomes all gelling[/quote]

If we don't have 2 Champ Bailey's on each side of the field.. We are not good enough in Redskins Nation man. Welcome :)

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=DCtoAZ;967413]way to much hate for Wilson ... he plays solid .. kind of reminds me of another hate CB .. Carlos Rogers ... how'd he turn out ? ... As previously stated, Hall and Wilson ARE NOT THE PROBLEM .. pressure on QB is .. we are playing much better with Williams, Griffin, Wilson, Hall, and Gomes all gelling[/quote]Yeah. Seems like Haslett is running better blitzes to take advantage of other teams having to worry about our DL, but Cofield, Bowen, and Jenkins are our best passrushers currently. They're the ones drawing double-teams and still getting pressure. That they are the only ones doing so is not good.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;967386]Our best corner if he can recover from micro fracture surgery, will be Chase Minnifield.[/quote]

cant count on injury prone players ie Laron Landry.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Chase Minnifield has potential, but the Redskins front office has to look past him. Richard Crawford hasn't played hardly at all since being scorched against Cinncinatti. If both of these guys were playing corner instead of D. Hall and J. Wilson, the pass plays against the defense would be for much bigger gains. Neither of these two young corners are ready for prime time. Crawford did have a great preseason playing against reserves but he's not hardly ready to be playing 1 on 1 coverage against the likes of Jacoby Jones, Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall, or Jordy Nelson.

That said, the Redskins have some serious upgrades to make at CB in the off season.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=DCtoAZ;967413]way to much hate for Wilson ... he plays solid .. kind of reminds me of another hate CB .. Carlos Rogers ... how'd he turn out ? ... As previously stated, Hall and Wilson ARE NOT THE PROBLEM .. pressure on QB is .. we are playing much better with Williams, Griffin, Wilson, Hall, and Gomes all gelling[/quote]

Nice post. It's true when the front 7 gets some pressure going we see the coverage is sufficient, and both Hall and Wilson create turnovers. They're smaller DBs and I think that's really the extent of their limitations.

Still, I expect Hall will be gone next year. Someone will give him a significant contract IMHO and it probably won't be us. Looking at the current secondary starters and knowing Hall is likely gone, we'll need two new starters for 2013, one DB and one safety. I wouldn't count on both Merriwether and Jackson (law of averages?), so we probably need to get a starting caliber DB and safety in the off-season.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

if tanard and meriweather can stay on the field next year, we'd be set there, but, i mean, who knows. byrd would be a huge upgrade regardless, but if we get cash strapped, a true #1 cb is probably more important.

we'll need a FA TE (there are 3 that are good enough, one should be cheap enough), and i'd like vollmer at RT. no one we draft is going to be starting there next year, and it'd probably help our offense more than throwing that money at another WR.

as for the draft... db, db, db, db. just keep trying till something works. any FA that's proven he's good is going to be really expensive, so, long term, it'd be better to find our own guys.

Our best corner play will happen when we have two solid players at safety. I am sure there will be movement at the CB position, but it won't mean squat until we deal with the safety position.

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Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Need more pressure...

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;967368]He'll restructure, he said he wants to retire a redskin when we got him[/quote]

I would like to see this happen, but will Hall accept less money from the Redskins than another franchise is willing to pay him?

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

I'm not mad at Wilson for trying to break up the pass rather than just tackle Bryant. It's easy for me to say that because the Skins won but It was also a great throw and blocking by the WR.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=RGIII;967528]I'm not mad at Wilson for trying to break up the pass rather than just tackle Bryant. It's easy for me to say that because the Skins won but It was also a great throw and blocking by the WR.[/quote]

Still, Wilson should never take that gamble. He rolled the dice and lost big time. Had he stayed with his man or just tried to knock the ball down and not try to intercept it, that play doesn't happen. Josh Wilson is not Lester Hayes.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

Watched the game again this afternoon and think that coaching may have played a big role in Wilson's coverage of Dez on the TD. What you can see on play after play is defense going hell-bent-for-leather separating balls from Cowgirls. Blow-ups in the end zone, more helmets on balls, etc. I think MS and Haz were preaching TO's all week, maybe even offering bounties. And overall, that strategy worked, even if it resulted in a TD on that play. Wilson made some outstanding plays otherwise, so we know he's capable of closing on receivers and playing smart.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=HTTR;967636]Watched the game again this afternoon and think that coaching may have played a big role in Wilson's coverage of Dez on the TD. What you can see on play after play is defense going hell-bent-for-leather separating balls from Cowgirls. Blow-ups in the end zone, more helmets on balls, etc. I think MS and Haz were preaching TO's all week, [B]maybe even offering bounties.[/B] And overall, that strategy worked, even if it resulted in a TD on that play. Wilson made some outstanding plays otherwise, so we know he's capable of closing on receivers and playing smart.[/quote]

Hopefully not for money.

"Whoever knocks Dez Bryant out of the game has to run one less lap at practice."

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;967639]Hopefully not for money.

"Whoever knocks Dez Bryant out of the game has to run one less lap at practice."[/quote]


More like offering a bounty for turnovers, not knocking anybody out.

Re: Josh Wilson #26
 

[quote=NC_Skins;967641]More like offering a bounty for turnovers, not knocking anybody out.[/quote]

Bounties just make me nervous in general now.