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Now the team that has won three Super Bowls in four years have no Super Star WR...Right? Yet they win and win big! So why is Moss,Jacobs,McCants and Patten vs Patten,Givens,Branch and Brown that bad and will not work? Yes Moss is not proven as is Jacobs or McCants. But these guys have big up side and we need to see if they can be that go to guy or need to be moved. No one thought that the Patriots WR were going to win a Super Bowl so tell me why one or two or three of these guys are not up to being as good or better the New England WR core. Last Getting a WR in the draft dosen't mean we are now better at the spot! Wideouts in most cases take time to make the transformation from college to the pros! Yes there is some that are good first year players. In this draft is that player there? Will we get that chance to pick him? Only time will tell! So tell me why our WR are so bad that with a very good running game and a great D we also can't win a Super Bowl?

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I agree about the WRs.


However the 1 difference is the guy throwing the ball. I like RAmsey, i think he can be a star in the NFL, but he ain't no Brady. If i was a GM starting from scratch the first player i would sign is Brady. The guy is just pure gold and has ice in his veins.

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Good points Pete. My bigger concern is playcalling. I think the formula is there for success. Coach must take a few more shots down the field for all of these things to happen.

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I think the offense will open up a bit this season because of Patten and Moss. Last year Coles and Gardner rarely got any separation and Brunell couldn't and Ramsey wouldn't chuck the ball up for grabs. This year, D's will have to respect the speed at Wr and hoepfully that along with our new C and Jansen coming back will open up the running game a bit.

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No way do we need to bring in a new QB. Ramsey will be fine. Remember what Bret Favre was like the early years?

Have patience and trust Coach Gibbs to get the job done right.

Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.

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'Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.'

No mate, im just at University in Leeds. Im from Bury just outside Manchester, had a Bury season ticket since 1985 so i know all about pain!

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]No way do we need to bring in a new QB. Ramsey will be fine. Remember what Bret Favre was like the early years?
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On a Gibbs coached team, the QB does not have to be spectacular. He has to be smart. Also, the offense does not need star players. Gibbs simply demands that his players execute the plays. That means the QB has to make accurate regular throws, the WR's have to catch them, and the RB has to run downhill.

There is no place for Gardners hands in his offense. He doesn't need Coles yelling about how he needs more yards.

Guys like Thrash, Cooley, and Patten are going to find out that this offense is pefect for them.

Execute and watch the win total go up....

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The two major reasons the pats can get away w/ no superstar wr's is Tom Brady and the offensive scheme that has been consistent for a number of yrs.

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Brady is the #1 difference....but the O-line and the backs that block for Brady are great as well and need to be #2 reason.
Also the entire team plays smart ball. Not many penalties or blown coverages.
Patriots also have the best clutch kicker in the game.

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it all about the utilization of talents and moral + character of the player. All these guys have talent they're in the NFL. They just have to be used the right way to be successful.

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we're still missing a possession guy... and from what everyone is saying, moss hates going over the middle. if patten is our new deep threat, who moves the chains?

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I think our OL will improve with the addition of new center Rabach, and a HEALTHY Jon Jansen........this will translate into an improved Ramsey, better running game, and thus Gibbs will open it up more............

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The guy over the middle will be Cooley and whoever else is our TE.

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I think most people would agree that there is something about the Patriots that can't be explained by looking at their team on paper. So simply comparing the names on our depth chart and theirs is really not effective. Their receivers clicked so well with Brady and each other, and each was so attuned to the offense that their lack of exceptional physical tools was not important. Our receivers have not had that for years, and will not have that this year, since they are just not used to playing with each other and within Gibbs's system. That is just another reason why continuity is so important.

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A major key to our offense this year will be unofficial training that Ramsey organizes. If he can get 3-5 WR's together for some sync time we'll see a remarkable difference.

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[QUOTE=monk81]I think our OL will improve with the addition of new center Rabach, and a HEALTHY Jon Jansen........this will translate into an improved Ramsey, better running game, and thus Gibbs will open it up more............[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, Monk 81. Plus, do we really think Gibbs isn't dreaming up new plays right now? The guy understands offensive football. Rest assured, the O will look better next year. And that's by itself going to make the FO look good becuase the WRs will look better. And we'll start hearing about how smart everyone is. (I am an optimist, DAMN IT!) :biggthump

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In no way was I implying that Ramsey isn't our guy, in fact I believe he was set up to fail. After being the starter for a season, Gibbs came in and signed Brunelll to a HUGE deal, then gave Brunell the reins because he wasn't supposed to turn the ball over. When Patrick was finally put in, he was gun shy because he didn't want to turn the ball over. Hopefully, this season they tell him to make good decisons which may include letting it rip every once in a while.

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they are up to it my friend, compare brady w/ ramsey though. ramsey seems to get better then he was before and he is improving. also compare the o-lines the o-line is now better so they are up to it i think that if we had down field presense that our d is still good enough to take us to the promise land and G g g g g g g g g geeeee double ya will be taking us there.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]we're still missing a possession guy... and from what everyone is saying, moss hates going over the middle. if patten is our new deep threat, who moves the chains?[/QUOTE]

we have the guy on the roster now, its mcants. i know the staff is down on him for not doing special teams, but, how soon we forget the guy led in td catches two years ago, his last year in college at delaware he caught something like 19tds on 32 catches. he is phisical and more definately more humble and mature after last year. if the guy has any kind of drive, which i belive he does, he will be huge in camp and proves he belongs, he has proved it before. you jsut dont lose talent like he's got. hopefully we wont cut him b4 he gets his chance. i think last year we had too many guys making more money ahead of him so now he is the last "big" receiver and he won't have to play special teams to play.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]we're still missing a possession guy... and from what everyone is saying, moss hates going over the middle. if patten is our new deep threat, who moves the chains?[/QUOTE]

Frankly, I think McCants is an excellent possession guy, when used that is.

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I love the way BigSKINBauer writes his posts. It's like I can imagine the words coming out of his mouth. LOL

And I do completely agree about McCants. I just can't wait to see the offense open up a bit. Personally, I don't want to see any more signings until the draft.

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HeyRedskin Pete- That is due to the great QB performances the Pats get

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I'm going to drop a bombshell and say that I feel that if he continues to develop, I think Ramsey will be just as good, if not better than Brady. Ramsey has a HELL of an arm, something that Brady doesn't really have.

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Does a possession guy need to be a big man necessarily? I mean I think a possession guy is someone who you can count on to catch the ball in traffic and get you 10 yards when you've got 3rd and 9.

A guy like Henry Ellard I thought of as a possesion receiver, and I see a lot of similarities in James Thrash.

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I definitely agree. Thrash made some great returns on kicks this year. I don't see why he couldn't do the same after a pass.

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I think everyone just feels we need a "big guy". If you can catch the ball and run with it all the way down the field, who needs a beast to run people over? Typically you're either going to be A) REALLY big and strong or B) REALLY fast and it's rare to find someone who is both.

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]Does a possession guy need to be a big man necessarily? I mean I think a possession guy is someone who you can count on to catch the ball in traffic and get you 10 yards when you've got 3rd and 9.

A guy like Henry Ellard I thought of as a possesion receiver, and I see a lot of similarities in James Thrash.[/QUOTE]

True, but I think the big thing about a bigger guy is that he is (or should be) more durable going across the middle taking hits from bigger linebackers.

I'm my opinion, we already have the guy we need in McCants. In what he lacks in speed, he makes up by being big and physical, and most importantly, dependable when it comes to catching the ball. That said, I agree that Thrash could also fill that role also to an extent, but I think Dmac fits it better...plus Thrash is a special teams demon so you want to keep him somewhat fresh for that.

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Moss has a very high % of his catches that go for 1st downs, so I don't think he can be classified as being strictly a big-play guy.