Someone tell me why?

RedskinPete · 03-09-2005, 05:41 PM

Now the team that has won three Super Bowls in four years have no Super Star WR...Right? Yet they win and win big! So why is Moss,Jacobs,McCants and Patten vs Patten,Givens,Branch and Brown that bad and will not work? Yes Moss is not proven as is Jacobs or McCants. But these guys have big up side and we need to see if they can be that go to guy or need to be moved. No one thought that the Patriots WR were going to win a Super Bowl so tell me why one or two or three of these guys are not up to being as good or better the New England WR core. Last Getting a WR in the draft dosen't mean we are now better at the spot! Wideouts in most cases take time to make the transformation from college to the pros! Yes there is some that are good first year players. In this draft is that player there? Will we get that chance to pick him? Only time will tell! So tell me why our WR are so bad that with a very good running game and a great D we also can't win a Super Bowl?

AndySkinUK · 03-09-2005, 05:44 PM

I agree about the WRs.

However the 1 difference is the guy throwing the ball. I like RAmsey, i think he can be a star in the NFL, but he ain't no Brady. If i was a GM starting from scratch the first player i would sign is Brady. The guy is just pure gold and has ice in his veins.

Red Robert · 03-09-2005, 05:46 PM

Good points Pete. My bigger concern is playcalling. I think the formula is there for success. Coach must take a few more shots down the field for all of these things to happen.

redwagonskins · 03-09-2005, 05:57 PM

I think the offense will open up a bit this season because of Patten and Moss. Last year Coles and Gardner rarely got any separation and Brunell couldn't and Ramsey wouldn't chuck the ball up for grabs. This year, D's will have to respect the speed at Wr and hoepfully that along with our new C and Jansen coming back will open up the running game a bit.

RedskinRat · 03-09-2005, 06:04 PM

No way do we need to bring in a new QB. Ramsey will be fine. Remember what Bret Favre was like the early years?

Have patience and trust Coach Gibbs to get the job done right.

Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.

AndySkinUK · 03-09-2005, 06:08 PM

'Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.'

No mate, im just at University in Leeds. Im from Bury just outside Manchester, had a Bury season ticket since 1985 so i know all about pain!

GoSkins! · 03-09-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

No way do we need to bring in a new QB. Ramsey will be fine. Remember what Bret Favre was like the early years?

On a Gibbs coached team, the QB does not have to be spectacular. He has to be smart. Also, the offense does not need star players. Gibbs simply demands that his players execute the plays. That means the QB has to make accurate regular throws, the WR's have to catch them, and the RB has to run downhill.

There is no place for Gardners hands in his offense. He doesn't need Coles yelling about how he needs more yards.

Guys like Thrash, Cooley, and Patten are going to find out that this offense is pefect for them.

Execute and watch the win total go up....

redsk1 · 03-09-2005, 06:15 PM

The two major reasons the pats can get away w/ no superstar wr's is Tom Brady and the offensive scheme that has been consistent for a number of yrs.

Defensewins · 03-09-2005, 06:17 PM

Brady is the #1 difference....but the O-line and the backs that block for Brady are great as well and need to be #2 reason.
Also the entire team plays smart ball. Not many penalties or blown coverages.
Patriots also have the best clutch kicker in the game.

diehardskin2982 · 03-09-2005, 06:29 PM

it all about the utilization of talents and moral + character of the player. All these guys have talent they're in the NFL. They just have to be used the right way to be successful.

itvnetop · 03-09-2005, 06:40 PM

we're still missing a possession guy... and from what everyone is saying, moss hates going over the middle. if patten is our new deep threat, who moves the chains?

monk81 · 03-09-2005, 06:44 PM

I think our OL will improve with the addition of new center Rabach, and a HEALTHY Jon Jansen........this will translate into an improved Ramsey, better running game, and thus Gibbs will open it up more............

drew54 · 03-09-2005, 06:47 PM

The guy over the middle will be Cooley and whoever else is our TE.

e16bball · 03-09-2005, 06:49 PM

I think most people would agree that there is something about the Patriots that can't be explained by looking at their team on paper. So simply comparing the names on our depth chart and theirs is really not effective. Their receivers clicked so well with Brady and each other, and each was so attuned to the offense that their lack of exceptional physical tools was not important. Our receivers have not had that for years, and will not have that this year, since they are just not used to playing with each other and within Gibbs's system. That is just another reason why continuity is so important.

RedskinRat · 03-09-2005, 07:06 PM

A major key to our offense this year will be unofficial training that Ramsey organizes. If he can get 3-5 WR's together for some sync time we'll see a remarkable difference.

03-09-2005, 05:46 PM	#3
Red Robert Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 54 Posts: 306	Re: Someone tell me why? Good points Pete. My bigger concern is playcalling. I think the formula is there for success. Coach must take a few more shots down the field for all of these things to happen.

03-09-2005, 05:57 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Someone tell me why? I think the offense will open up a bit this season because of Patten and Moss. Last year Coles and Gardner rarely got any separation and Brunell couldn't and Ramsey wouldn't chuck the ball up for grabs. This year, D's will have to respect the speed at Wr and hoepfully that along with our new C and Jansen coming back will open up the running game a bit.

03-09-2005, 06:04 PM	#5
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Someone tell me why? No way do we need to bring in a new QB. Ramsey will be fine. Remember what Bret Favre was like the early years? Have patience and trust Coach Gibbs to get the job done right. Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.

03-09-2005, 06:08 PM	#6
AndySkinUK Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Age: 51 Posts: 44	Re: Someone tell me why? 'Hey, AndySkinUK, you a Whites fan? I'm a West Ham fan, I share your pain.' No mate, im just at University in Leeds. Im from Bury just outside Manchester, had a Bury season ticket since 1985 so i know all about pain! __________________ Don't Panic

03-09-2005, 06:15 PM	#8
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Someone tell me why? The two major reasons the pats can get away w/ no superstar wr's is Tom Brady and the offensive scheme that has been consistent for a number of yrs.

03-09-2005, 05:41 PM	#1
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Someone tell me why? Now the team that has won three Super Bowls in four years have no Super Star WR...Right? Yet they win and win big! So why is Moss,Jacobs,McCants and Patten vs Patten,Givens,Branch and Brown that bad and will not work? Yes Moss is not proven as is Jacobs or McCants. But these guys have big up side and we need to see if they can be that go to guy or need to be moved. No one thought that the Patriots WR were going to win a Super Bowl so tell me why one or two or three of these guys are not up to being as good or better the New England WR core. Last Getting a WR in the draft dosen't mean we are now better at the spot! Wideouts in most cases take time to make the transformation from college to the pros! Yes there is some that are good first year players. In this draft is that player there? Will we get that chance to pick him? Only time will tell! So tell me why our WR are so bad that with a very good running game and a great D we also can't win a Super Bowl?

03-09-2005, 05:44 PM	#2
AndySkinUK Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Age: 51 Posts: 44	Re: Someone tell me why? I agree about the WRs. However the 1 difference is the guy throwing the ball. I like RAmsey, i think he can be a star in the NFL, but he ain't no Brady. If i was a GM starting from scratch the first player i would sign is Brady. The guy is just pure gold and has ice in his veins. __________________ Don't Panic

03-09-2005, 06:17 PM	#9
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Someone tell me why? Brady is the #1 difference....but the O-line and the backs that block for Brady are great as well and need to be #2 reason. Also the entire team plays smart ball. Not many penalties or blown coverages. Patriots also have the best clutch kicker in the game.

03-09-2005, 06:29 PM	#10
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Someone tell me why? it all about the utilization of talents and moral + character of the player. All these guys have talent they're in the NFL. They just have to be used the right way to be successful. __________________ That got ugly fast

03-09-2005, 06:40 PM	#11
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Re: Someone tell me why? we're still missing a possession guy... and from what everyone is saying, moss hates going over the middle. if patten is our new deep threat, who moves the chains?

03-09-2005, 06:44 PM	#12
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	Re: Someone tell me why? I think our OL will improve with the addition of new center Rabach, and a HEALTHY Jon Jansen........this will translate into an improved Ramsey, better running game, and thus Gibbs will open it up more............ __________________ "It's absolutely criminal, in my opinion, that Monk has yet to be enshrined (in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame)" Dan Arkush PFW

03-09-2005, 06:47 PM	#13
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Someone tell me why? The guy over the middle will be Cooley and whoever else is our TE.

03-09-2005, 06:49 PM	#14
e16bball Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 163	Re: Someone tell me why? I think most people would agree that there is something about the Patriots that can't be explained by looking at their team on paper. So simply comparing the names on our depth chart and theirs is really not effective. Their receivers clicked so well with Brady and each other, and each was so attuned to the offense that their lack of exceptional physical tools was not important. Our receivers have not had that for years, and will not have that this year, since they are just not used to playing with each other and within Gibbs's system. That is just another reason why continuity is so important.

03-09-2005, 07:06 PM	#15
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Someone tell me why? A major key to our offense this year will be unofficial training that Ramsey organizes. If he can get 3-5 WR's together for some sync time we'll see a remarkable difference.

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