Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft?
 

Well, looks like our embattled front office made the right choice there.

Post (FOX) Browns to release former No. 1 overall pick Brown
Injury-plagued defensive end Courtney Brown will be released on Monday by the Cleveland Browns if the club is unable to restructure the former No. 1 overall draft pick's contract.

Brown, who missed the final 14 games last season after undergoing foot surgery, is due a $2.5 million roster bonus on Tuesday.

The Browns may still re-sign Brown, who has missed 33 games with injuries the past four seasons.

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...140813162&ATT=5[/url]

Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft?
 

I'd be ok if the Skins gave him a look, as long as they give him a bargain basement deal.

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I understand that Courtney Brown has been injury prone for most of his NFL career but I would love to see us sign him. When he is healthy he is a monster. If we could get him for a cheap price I would love to see what Williams could do with him. I know I am partial because he is a nittany lion but I really do have faith that he could still do some damage. Come on Dan reunite LaVar and Courtney!!!!!!

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Only problem it seems to be a very big IF when it comes to him staying healthy.

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If we can get him for under a mil, we should sign him.

Nobody said the FO couldn't draft. LaVar was the obvious choice, I don't know what Cleveland was thinking. But Sean Taylor, LaVar, Samuels, they all panned out.

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Too injury prone. What, did Brown run over a gypsy child or something? He's really been cursed with the injury bug.

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Oh, and the much-bashed Vinny gets the credit for picking Lavar, according to Wilbon's latest article. A good choice, but it's so FUN to bash Cerrato...

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DO yu all remember last year wen we were going to get kellen winslow over sean taylor but last moment we changed our minds.........to tell u the truth im not going to lie but i was hoping we get kellen winslow

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o im sorry i mean kellen winslow JR. not senior...srry

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Westbrook, Gardner, Shuler...it's not like they've been perfect. A lot of people were saying that we needed a D-line guy (still are) and were really upset when we got Arrington. It has worked out nicely though.
I wouldn't mind seeing if Brown could revive his career here but if he did, he'd be the next FA we bitched about leaving for a big contract.

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I was always lobbying for Sean Taylor, I almost punched a hole in the wall when the draft was on and they said we were on the phone with Kellen and it looked like we were going to take him. I was also all for LaVar over CB I watched both of them at PSU and it was obvious that LA was going to be something special, not hating on CB

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I'd sign him to an incentive based contract after he's passed a physical. :oink:

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definitely brown would be worth a mimimum contract with a lot of performance incentives. face it, he is damaged goods and nobody is going to give him a big contract. the best he can hope for is a gardener type deal where he gets a chance to sjow he is finally healthy. having him for 1 year on a trial basis is a no-brainer.

while i am at it, do not forget that the last member of the "big 4" fromthat draft year was peter warrick-- another disappointment. considering that we got the duo of lavar and samuels, that has to be the best combo possible out of that group of 4. kudos to the front office...

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Aren't all these "too injury prone" statements the same thing everyone said about Springs?

If we can get him CHEAP try him.

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Springs has had only one year where he missed a substantial amount of time, in 2001 he missed 8 games. For his career he's made 108 starts out of a total of 128 games.

Brown on the other hand has started just 47 out of 80.

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take em if we get him cheep but he is owed 8 mil next year w/ a 2.5 bonus how cheep is he gonna come?

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I was pulling for both Arrington and Taylor. I loved them both coming out of college. I usually do perfer D over offense

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If Brown signs cheap, sign him and make him a pass rush specialist. He should not be a full time player, that way he can get healthy and stay healthy. Gibbs has experience with D lineman like this, they did a great job with Jumpy Geathers back in the day.

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Well our front office didnt have much of a choice in the matter since Brown was off the board. We would have drafted him if the Browns would have taken LA or anyone else for that matter.

I think we give him a shot. Sign him to about a 1 mill deal and see what happens.

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There seems to be a bit of revisionist history happening here.

When Brown, Arrington and Samuels were the first three picks, Cleveland had the first pick. So it was Cleveland that made the decision for the Redskins. Even if Vinnie and Danny wanted Brown, they couldn't have gotten himn because Cleveland and Brown had agreed to a deal BEFORE draft day.

Their only "genius" was not talking themselves out of the "leftovers" that Cleveland gave them. Turns out the "leftovers" have performed better than the overall #1 pick, but that was due to nothing that Vinnie and Danny Boy did.

BTW, the Browns also had the overall #1 pick and took Tim Couch with that pick and the next guy taken was - - - Donovan McNabb. The Browns might be a significantly better team today if they had taken McNabb and Arrington instead of Couch and Brown!

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And Atlanta shouldn't have traded Brett Favre. But hindsight is a bitch.

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That's funny, I remember the Skins being happy that the Browns took Courtney Brown and not LaVar. They wanted LA all along.

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jdlea:

What would you expect the Redskins to say after they took the #2 and #3 players in the draft? Do you really think it would be even remotely possible for them to say:

"Damn! What we really wanted was Courtney Brown but we got screwed by Cleveland and we had to settle for stale leftovers or sloppy seconds."

HIghly unlikely! That hardly fits with flying the guys into FedEx on helicopters so there could be a huge press conference with Danny Boy front and center. Oh, do you remember that Danny Boy said at that time that Redskins never hold out and are never late for training camp. Well DAnhy Boy did, And well, Lavar was "late".

Like I said, there's a lot of revisionist history goin' on here...

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Truth is it was dumb luck that the FO and Gofer boy Cerrato were in postion to draft Lavar Arrington and Samuels.
The year before then-general manager Charlie Casserly gave up the fifth selection in the first round of the 1999 to Mike Ditka and the Saints for two #1's, two #3's, a #4,5,6 and 7 round picks. The famous Ricky Williams for all my draft picks trade. Casserly then traded the Saints 1999 #1 (9th overall) #3 and #5 to the Chicago Bears for their 1999 first-round pick (7th overall) and picked Champ Bailey.
With these two trades, Casserly set up the Redskins to have three high first round picks in the 2000 draft and got us Champ Bailey. Then the FO, in all his genious fired Casserly and hired his lap boy Cerrato. Could you imagine how Casserly must have felt?
The FO and Cerrato stumbled into this great situation (dumb luck). Then Cleveland helped us along by picking Brown.

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Brown is far to risky, injury prone

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[QUOTE=John Hasbrouck]Brown is far to risky, injury prone[/QUOTE]
If he is cheap who cares if he only plays 6 games, gives the skins a couple sacks and everyone is happy

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the brown, arrington connection reunited would be awesome. If they became half as good as they were at pennn state I would be happy

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yeah but still, i don't remember how we got the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in the first place. we went to the playoffs the previous year, so how did we get them. imagine if atlanta still had brett favre and he was their starting quarterback. where would michael vick be?

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Clemons gave us a couple sacks and hardly played at all last year. I'm happy with that. We don't need Brown.

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yeah clemons only played in like six games yet he posted three sacks and a few tackles. he would be a great backup outside linebacker. but, to bring it back up, how did we get the second and third picks? and just imagine what it would've been like if atlanta still had brett favre. who would vick be playing for?

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That's hard to say because who knows how Favre would have developed under that system and to what pick the Falcons would have had.

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oh yeah. but still, imagine if under atlanta's system he developed to the same performance he plays at today with the same kind of receiving core.

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Then I'm sure that Atlanta would DEFINITELY not have gotten that pick they needed to land Vick...

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okay. back to the courtney vs. lavar discussion. does anyone know how we got the second and third picks?

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[QUOTE=mooby]okay. back to the courtney vs. lavar discussion. does anyone know how we got the second and third picks?[/QUOTE]

This is from my prior posting on this thread:

"The year before then-general manager Charlie Casserly gave up the fifth selection in the first round of the 1999 to Mike Ditka and the Saints for two #1's, two #3's, a #4,5,6 and 7 round picks. The famous Ricky Williams for all my draft picks trade. Casserly then traded the Saints 1999 #1 (9th overall) #3 round and #5 round to the Chicago Bears for their 1999 first-round pick (7th overall) and picked Champ Bailey.
With these two trades, Casserly set up the Redskins to have three high first round picks in the 2000 draft and got us Champ Bailey. Then the FO, in all his genious fired Casserly and hired his lap boy Cerrato. Could you imagine how Casserly must have felt?

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are you saying that we traded the fifth selection in the 99' draft for two #1's, two #3s, and 4,5,6,7 round draft picks? we had ricky williams?

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we had the chance to DRAFT ricky williams... casserly only made the most amazing move in GM history there, too bad LDS replaced him with monkey boy :( Casserly does a pretty decent job :)

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[QUOTE=That Guy]we had the chance to DRAFT ricky williams... casserly only made the most amazing move in GM history there, too bad LDS replaced him with monkey boy :( Casserly does a pretty decent job :)[/QUOTE]

He is doing a geat job here with the Texans. I am not a fan of the Texans, but I see Casserly putting together a solid, young team. He is building through the draft and doing it the right way.
If the Texans can solidify the offensive line (todays rumor is Texans are trying to get Orlando Pace) they will be in the playoffs this year or next. Although the AFC is a little stronger over all right now than the NFC. So it is tougher to make the playoffs.

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Arrington made Brown at Penn St. Offenses where so fearful of LaVar, that opened the door for Brown.Problem is we don't use LaVar the way Peterno did. If we went to a 3-4 that would more then likely change. But Brown is so INJURY PRONE!

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Hey yellow31 that is not the way you put together a solid ball club. Hell sign L.T.- we will get a couple of sacks out of him.