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:Flush: goodbye Courtney Brown.

He'll see he made a mistake when we beat Denver at their home on the season opening or when ever we play them.

:Smoker: Well now what are our options Lets see

Kevin Dyson: WR A turd if I ever saw one he hasn't been the same since the injury with the panthers. Leave him alone no need for this scrub could get someone in the draft.

Andre Dyson CB: :biggthump Young scrappy player with heart would give us the option to target another position in the first. according to his stats he has goten better every year and is on the verge of being a star.

Marcellus Wiley DE: An encentive based contract and playing in a rotation may do him well. Although a former cowboy :FIREdevil
He didn't fit in with the boys' system. A beast in San Diego and Buffallo. A choice gamble for the right price and may develop a hate for Dallas if picked up by a division rival, (like Trotter & us). old

Marques Douglas De: in prime of career (6yrs) has statisticly became better over the years and great pass rusher.

Warrick Holdman OLB: had a good career with the bears but not with the browns could be a good backup for a low price, posible Lb when Lavar switches to DEnd in pass rushing situations, could he switch to the middle?

Chris Hovan DT: hot year in 2002 has cooled since could be a great compliment to the tackle rotation. May be cheap, no real intrest market. May be a steal if he can be motivated back to dominance.

What do you guys think would you like to see any of these cats as skins. Do you like someone else out there, or happy with the team as is to get to the superbowl because lets remember the superbowl is the overall goal here.

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The only player that is semi-interesting to me on that list is Andre Dyson. My only arguement with getting him is why sign a solid CB when you have a chance to draft a corner with alot of upside like Rolle or Rodgers. Douglas would be nice but I think he will want a pretty good sized contract.

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I agree about Kevin Dyson and Andre Dyson.

No need for Holdman - we have Chris Clemons to fill LaVar's spot when he goes to Dend.

Hovan would be worth a cheap deal.
If we could get them for a good price the players I'd think about is Andre Dyson, Hovan, and Douglass.

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I love the fact that the redskins can say no, and look at the overall picture as opposed to giving the world to the one free agent toy that The Danny has to have! Brown is not even 100% right now! Way too much of a gamble.

I think if anything, if we have to choose, we should go after Andre Dyson. Our D-line didn't really lose any depth. Sure they didn't get much pressure on the QB, but they didn't have to! They were able to stuff the run, which means no yards on 1st and 2nd downs which means predictable 3rd downs, which means more chances to get at the QB. After seeing the D-line 16 times last year, I think they will be fine rotating in and out.

A lot of people seemed to be pressed about the D! Our offense should be our main concern! There are just no WR's out there!

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[QUOTE=gortiz]I love the fact that the redskins can say no, and look at the overall picture as opposed to giving the world to the one free agent toy that The Danny has to have! Brown is not even 100% right now! Way too much of a gamble.

I think if anything, if we have to choose, we should go after Andre Dyson. Our D-line didn't really lose any depth. Sure they didn't get much pressure on the QB, but they didn't have to! They were able to stuff the run, which means no yards on 1st and 2nd downs which means predictable 3rd downs, which means more chances to get at the QB. After seeing the D-line 16 times last year, I think they will be fine rotating in and out.

A lot of people seemed to be pressed about the D! Our offense should be our main concern! There are just no WR's out there![/QUOTE]


sign a player like Andre Dyson and it would give us the ability to go after a wr in 1st round of the draft. Gibbs has stated that we are a defensive team and that is why most people are concerned with our defense. Thats the backbone for this franchise, and unlike last year teams will not take our d for granted like they did this season. That why there is a concern :)

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I like Ty Law, I mean we can slowly work him in....

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I would try Hovan. The skins have very good defensive line coaching so they may be able to resurect that stiff into a solid contributer.

Please no Kevin Dyson...the skins seem to be cornering the market on average WR's...

Andre Dyson is intriging, but like a previous poster said i would not sign any other CB's until we see how the draft goes. I feel the same way about WR's. No CB's or WR signings until we see who we get at #9.

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I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.

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[QUOTE=davy]I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, I think we may have slowed down until after the draft, but u still have the june 1st cut to look forward to after the draft, we are far from over in free agency.

wewhite law's agents are the postons, so it ain't gonna happen, we past on KWII because he signed with them

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]The only player that is semi-interesting to me on that list is Andre Dyson. My only arguement with getting him is why sign a solid CB when you have a chance to draft a corner with alot of upside like Rolle or Rodgers. Douglas would be nice but I think he will want a pretty good sized contract.[/QUOTE]

I see your point, but why pass on signing a Dyson in order to draft one, when we could sign Dyson [b][i]AND[/i][/b] get a WR or Shawne Merriman in the draft. That seems to be a better situation than just getting Rolle or Pac-Man.

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[QUOTE=davy]I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.[/QUOTE]

I agree. The Skins don't wait on guys that are in free agency. If they want them, they are on them right away. Short of additional cuts, it's all on the draft now.

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celts32:

Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination".

Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room.

And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well.

I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else...

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:soapbox: yeaa ty law would be great but there's no way we could afford him.holdman and cb dyson would also be good if the contracts are decent and not cumbersom. the wr dyson, i don't know, sounds real brittle, we need to make
sound choices not wishful ones and maybe to a verteran minnimum contract with some incentives ok but no more.hovan might be cool if williams feels he would work and if the contract isn't out of line. otherwise consentrate on the drasft and possible trade and we can be thankful for the nfl channel:lol:

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the only player i like there is andre dyson.

steadily improving young cb who did a great job as the no2 for the titans!! at this stage of free agency i cant seeing him being to expensive and in terms of the draft opens up a few more avenues for us to look at!

as for hovan just say no!!!!!

:soapbox:

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]celts32:

Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination".

Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room.

And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well.

I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else...[/QUOTE]

Okay...I did not know the extent of Hovan's issues. I knew he had a little baggage, but if all of what you say is true than I wouldn't touch him.

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Hovan is trash. He wasn't even activated for the last 3-5 games. I would rather resign Haley then get him.

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they said the same thing about glenn and he is the best reciever for the cowboys since he's goten there

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of the group you mentioned these are my thoughts..

kevin dyson is likely through in the nfl. signing him would mean giving up on mccants and jacobs. better to give them the opportunity to develop. also, if we are serious about taking a receiver high inthis draft, there is little or no purpose in taking dyson. it is just wasted money.

andre dyson is worth taking a look at. especially if the team is serious about going in another direction with the draft. the same thing about him is true inthat it would mean that the development of jimoh, brown and wilds is going to be stunted. it comes down to how much the staff feels the young trio can be counted on..

law... the only reason to sign him would be to a 1 year contract at vet min, tied to health/performance markers. he will simply never go for that contract because other teams will eventually pay him royally.

marques douglas... i would have thought the skins would be very interested in him as a fall back after losing brown. he played very well in spots over the past several years and should be coming into his own. he played at howard so there is a dc connection. still, the post said today that the front office has no apparent interest in him.

holdman.. the skins went after him last year or the year before when he signed with cleveland. it is just as well he signed elsewhere. he gives the team nothing that clemons, lemon, barnes and campbell cannot provide and would cost considerably more. develop the youngsters.

hovan... a mystery. a top 10 pick once. is it chemistry or is he just a loser?? is it frustration from playing on a bottom 10 defense or was he part of the reason? for sure he needs a change of address. maybe an invitation to camp to see how serious he is about getting in shape and playing??? clearly, nothing more than that. we have had enough of marginal character players. also, remember, his signing would likely cost a player like bosetti or possibly nic clemons a roster spot. is he really worth it? unlike brown, who was injured, there are character questions at the very least with hovan. also, does he really represent an upgrade over a rotation of noble, griffin, salave'a and bosetti? haley was considered expendable now. hovan is likely the same..

i think that covers them alll

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I signed hovan in madden after i won the superbowl and brandon noble held out on me... (jeeze a guy gets 104 sacks in a season and he thinks hes god or something) and when i signed hovan he was nothing but grief. His morale sucked, then everyone elses morale sucked. I think hes got problems. He definately wasnt hugged enough as a child.

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]Hovan is trash. He wasn't even activated for the last 3-5 games. I would rather resign Haley then get him.[/QUOTE]

When you can't land a spot on the Vikings Defense, you know your career is over.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]celts32:

Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination".

Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room.

And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well.

I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else...[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree on Hovan.

He's a bad seed, not the kind of guy I can see Gibbs looking to bring into this locker room.

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Hovan is Gruden's problem now

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/04/01/bc.fbp.lgns.tampabayhovan.r/[/url]

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I think Hovan is going to be a good pickup for them. I dont know all the details about his play in Minnesota but I thougth he was a solid player.