Slow but there are still options

diehardskin2982 · 03-29-2005, 02:44 PM

goodbye Courtney Brown.

He'll see he made a mistake when we beat Denver at their home on the season opening or when ever we play them.

Well now what are our options Lets see

Kevin Dyson: WR A turd if I ever saw one he hasn't been the same since the injury with the panthers. Leave him alone no need for this scrub could get someone in the draft.

Andre Dyson CB:

Young scrappy player with heart would give us the option to target another position in the first. according to his stats he has goten better every year and is on the verge of being a star.

Marcellus Wiley DE: An encentive based contract and playing in a rotation may do him well. Although a former cowboy :FIREdevil
He didn't fit in with the boys' system. A beast in San Diego and Buffallo. A choice gamble for the right price and may develop a hate for Dallas if picked up by a division rival, (like Trotter & us). old

Marques Douglas De: in prime of career (6yrs) has statisticly became better over the years and great pass rusher.

Warrick Holdman OLB: had a good career with the bears but not with the browns could be a good backup for a low price, posible Lb when Lavar switches to DEnd in pass rushing situations, could he switch to the middle?

Chris Hovan DT: hot year in 2002 has cooled since could be a great compliment to the tackle rotation. May be cheap, no real intrest market. May be a steal if he can be motivated back to dominance.

What do you guys think would you like to see any of these cats as skins. Do you like someone else out there, or happy with the team as is to get to the superbowl because lets remember the superbowl is the overall goal here.

PSUskinsfan11 · 03-29-2005, 02:51 PM

The only player that is semi-interesting to me on that list is Andre Dyson. My only arguement with getting him is why sign a solid CB when you have a chance to draft a corner with alot of upside like Rolle or Rodgers. Douglas would be nice but I think he will want a pretty good sized contract.

Daseal · 03-29-2005, 02:56 PM

I agree about Kevin Dyson and Andre Dyson.

No need for Holdman - we have Chris Clemons to fill LaVar's spot when he goes to Dend.

Hovan would be worth a cheap deal.
If we could get them for a good price the players I'd think about is Andre Dyson, Hovan, and Douglass.

gortiz · 03-29-2005, 02:57 PM

I love the fact that the redskins can say no, and look at the overall picture as opposed to giving the world to the one free agent toy that The Danny has to have! Brown is not even 100% right now! Way too much of a gamble.

I think if anything, if we have to choose, we should go after Andre Dyson. Our D-line didn't really lose any depth. Sure they didn't get much pressure on the QB, but they didn't have to! They were able to stuff the run, which means no yards on 1st and 2nd downs which means predictable 3rd downs, which means more chances to get at the QB. After seeing the D-line 16 times last year, I think they will be fine rotating in and out.

A lot of people seemed to be pressed about the D! Our offense should be our main concern! There are just no WR's out there!

diehardskin2982 · 03-29-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gortiz

I love the fact that the redskins can say no, and look at the overall picture as opposed to giving the world to the one free agent toy that The Danny has to have! Brown is not even 100% right now! Way too much of a gamble.

I think if anything, if we have to choose, we should go after Andre Dyson. Our D-line didn't really lose any depth. Sure they didn't get much pressure on the QB, but they didn't have to! They were able to stuff the run, which means no yards on 1st and 2nd downs which means predictable 3rd downs, which means more chances to get at the QB. After seeing the D-line 16 times last year, I think they will be fine rotating in and out.

A lot of people seemed to be pressed about the D! Our offense should be our main concern! There are just no WR's out there!

sign a player like Andre Dyson and it would give us the ability to go after a wr in 1st round of the draft. Gibbs has stated that we are a defensive team and that is why most people are concerned with our defense. Thats the backbone for this franchise, and unlike last year teams will not take our d for granted like they did this season. That why there is a concern

ST21 · 03-29-2005, 03:07 PM

I like Ty Law, I mean we can slowly work him in....

celts32 · 03-29-2005, 03:08 PM

I would try Hovan. The skins have very good defensive line coaching so they may be able to resurect that stiff into a solid contributer.

Please no Kevin Dyson...the skins seem to be cornering the market on average WR's...

Andre Dyson is intriging, but like a previous poster said i would not sign any other CB's until we see how the draft goes. I feel the same way about WR's. No CB's or WR signings until we see who we get at #9.

davy · 03-29-2005, 03:12 PM

I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.

diehardskin2982 · 03-29-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by davy

I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.

I disagree, I think we may have slowed down until after the draft, but u still have the june 1st cut to look forward to after the draft, we are far from over in free agency.

wewhite law's agents are the postons, so it ain't gonna happen, we past on KWII because he signed with them

e16bball · 03-29-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUskinsfan11

The only player that is semi-interesting to me on that list is Andre Dyson. My only arguement with getting him is why sign a solid CB when you have a chance to draft a corner with alot of upside like Rolle or Rodgers. Douglas would be nice but I think he will want a pretty good sized contract.

I see your point, but why pass on signing a Dyson in order to draft one, when we could sign Dyson AND get a WR or Shawne Merriman in the draft. That seems to be a better situation than just getting Rolle or Pac-Man.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 03-29-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by davy

I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.

I agree. The Skins don't wait on guys that are in free agency. If they want them, they are on them right away. Short of additional cuts, it's all on the draft now.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-29-2005, 04:44 PM

celts32:

Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination".

Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room.

And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well.

I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else...

56FAN · 03-29-2005, 04:53 PM

yeaa ty law would be great but there's no way we could afford him.holdman and cb dyson would also be good if the contracts are decent and not cumbersom. the wr dyson, i don't know, sounds real brittle, we need to make
sound choices not wishful ones and maybe to a verteran minnimum contract with some incentives ok but no more.hovan might be cool if williams feels he would work and if the contract isn't out of line. otherwise consentrate on the drasft and possible trade and we can be thankful for the nfl channel

lefty · 03-29-2005, 05:37 PM

the only player i like there is andre dyson.

steadily improving young cb who did a great job as the no2 for the titans!! at this stage of free agency i cant seeing him being to expensive and in terms of the draft opens up a few more avenues for us to look at!

as for hovan just say no!!!!!

celts32 · 03-29-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

celts32:

Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination".

Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room.

And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well.

I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else...

Okay...I did not know the extent of Hovan's issues. I knew he had a little baggage, but if all of what you say is true than I wouldn't touch him.

03-29-2005, 02:44 PM	#1
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Slow but there are still options goodbye Courtney Brown. He'll see he made a mistake when we beat Denver at their home on the season opening or when ever we play them. Well now what are our options Lets see Kevin Dyson: WR A turd if I ever saw one he hasn't been the same since the injury with the panthers. Leave him alone no need for this scrub could get someone in the draft. Andre Dyson CB: Young scrappy player with heart would give us the option to target another position in the first. according to his stats he has goten better every year and is on the verge of being a star. Marcellus Wiley DE: An encentive based contract and playing in a rotation may do him well. Although a former cowboy :FIREdevil He didn't fit in with the boys' system. A beast in San Diego and Buffallo. A choice gamble for the right price and may develop a hate for Dallas if picked up by a division rival, (like Trotter & us). old Marques Douglas De: in prime of career (6yrs) has statisticly became better over the years and great pass rusher. Warrick Holdman OLB: had a good career with the bears but not with the browns could be a good backup for a low price, posible Lb when Lavar switches to DEnd in pass rushing situations, could he switch to the middle? Chris Hovan DT: hot year in 2002 has cooled since could be a great compliment to the tackle rotation. May be cheap, no real intrest market. May be a steal if he can be motivated back to dominance. What do you guys think would you like to see any of these cats as skins. Do you like someone else out there, or happy with the team as is to get to the superbowl because lets remember the superbowl is the overall goal here. __________________ That got ugly fast

03-29-2005, 02:51 PM	#2
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	Re: Slow but there are still options The only player that is semi-interesting to me on that list is Andre Dyson. My only arguement with getting him is why sign a solid CB when you have a chance to draft a corner with alot of upside like Rolle or Rodgers. Douglas would be nice but I think he will want a pretty good sized contract.

03-29-2005, 02:56 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Slow but there are still options I agree about Kevin Dyson and Andre Dyson. No need for Holdman - we have Chris Clemons to fill LaVar's spot when he goes to Dend. Hovan would be worth a cheap deal. If we could get them for a good price the players I'd think about is Andre Dyson, Hovan, and Douglass. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-29-2005, 02:57 PM	#4
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Slow but there are still options I love the fact that the redskins can say no, and look at the overall picture as opposed to giving the world to the one free agent toy that The Danny has to have! Brown is not even 100% right now! Way too much of a gamble. I think if anything, if we have to choose, we should go after Andre Dyson. Our D-line didn't really lose any depth. Sure they didn't get much pressure on the QB, but they didn't have to! They were able to stuff the run, which means no yards on 1st and 2nd downs which means predictable 3rd downs, which means more chances to get at the QB. After seeing the D-line 16 times last year, I think they will be fine rotating in and out. A lot of people seemed to be pressed about the D! Our offense should be our main concern! There are just no WR's out there! Last edited by gortiz; 03-29-2005 at 02:59 PM. Reason: spelling

03-29-2005, 03:07 PM	#6
ST21 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 519	Re: Slow but there are still options I like Ty Law, I mean we can slowly work him in....

03-29-2005, 03:08 PM	#7
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Slow but there are still options I would try Hovan. The skins have very good defensive line coaching so they may be able to resurect that stiff into a solid contributer. Please no Kevin Dyson...the skins seem to be cornering the market on average WR's... Andre Dyson is intriging, but like a previous poster said i would not sign any other CB's until we see how the draft goes. I feel the same way about WR's. No CB's or WR signings until we see who we get at #9.

03-29-2005, 03:12 PM	#8
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 939	Re: Slow but there are still options I think we're finished with free agency, if we were interested in any of these guys we would have made our move by now. So unless anybody interesting gets cut I think the only additions are coming through the draft.

03-29-2005, 04:44 PM	#12
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Slow but there are still options celts32: Last season there were horror stories in the Minneapolis/St. Paul papers about Hovan. Supposedly he "refused to practice" and had some run-ins with various coaches and did not play hard on defense. So the Vikes - whose defense was pretty miserable - deactivated him for a couple of games; they didn't even dress him out. And then he had a meeting with Tice where it was either get with the program or be suspended for the rest of the season by the team for what most people would call "insubordination". Those stories may or may not be true; but when I read things like that, I get a very queasy feeling about signing that guy as a free agent. Yes, he played well a couple of years ago, but last year was a disaster on the field and in the locker room. And remember, the Vikes put up with Randy Moss' nonsense for seven or eight years before that got to be too much for them and Hovan went deep into the doghouse in only a couple of years. That does not bode well. I agree that some D-line help would be a good idea; but if I'm the Skins' GM, I'd be looking somewhere else... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-29-2005, 04:53 PM	#13
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: Slow but there are still options yeaa ty law would be great but there's no way we could afford him.holdman and cb dyson would also be good if the contracts are decent and not cumbersom. the wr dyson, i don't know, sounds real brittle, we need to make sound choices not wishful ones and maybe to a verteran minnimum contract with some incentives ok but no more.hovan might be cool if williams feels he would work and if the contract isn't out of line. otherwise consentrate on the drasft and possible trade and we can be thankful for the nfl channel

03-29-2005, 05:37 PM	#14
lefty Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: chester, uk Age: 47 Posts: 12	Re: Slow but there are still options the only player i like there is andre dyson. steadily improving young cb who did a great job as the no2 for the titans!! at this stage of free agency i cant seeing him being to expensive and in terms of the draft opens up a few more avenues for us to look at! as for hovan just say no!!!!!

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