Preston Smith
 

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Yeah dude went insane Saturday night....Trent Murphy sit down now.

He basically made Jason peters turn into Eric cartman, "screw you guys, I'm going home"

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Yeah its time to start smith for good

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Really impressed with this kid

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I'm impressed with Preston.

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I mentioned at the beginning of the season to watch this guy. Ever since the veteran players called him out, he has been getting better each week, 7 sacks this season (like Orakpo).

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I think Smith should definitely start. However, I think it'd be great to have Kerrigan, Smith, Galette (if they bring him back), and Murphy as pass rushers next season.

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I wouldn't start him yet. It seems like he is just now getting what it takes to succeed in the NFL. I'd still press him to develop and hopefully really instill in him the notion of constant development. I'm afraid he'll be a guy who thinks he has arrived and doesn't have to keep busting ass to be good. Knock him down a peg constructively and help him refocus even more.

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I'd send him back to the practice squad. Let him know who's boss.

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[quote=MTK;1135302]I'd send him back to the practice squad. Let him know who's boss.[/quote]

:laughing2

yeah I think you kinda reward a player that's been working hard, responding to coaching and putting up numbers on the field, especially during the biggest part of the season.

One thing about the time share between Murphy and Preston is both should be fresher to go...don't have to worry "rookie wall". Preston really flashed against one of the top Tackles in the league. Arguably the best Tackle the past decade.

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[quote=FRPLG;1135296]I wouldn't start him yet. It seems like he is just now getting what it takes to succeed in the NFL. I'd still press him to develop and hopefully really instill in him the notion of constant development. I'm afraid he'll be a guy who thinks he has arrived and doesn't have to keep busting ass to be good. Knock him down a peg constructively and help him refocus even more.[/quote]

The Mongolian's and Gruden believe(d) in promotion based on merit.

Hard work and improvement is rewarded.

Players respond to that.

I'm for that too.

With a culture that puts the best guy on the field, everyone is going to work harder to be the best guy!

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Next year Gallette is still my guy opposite Kerrigan and you rotate Smith in. But the awesome thing about Smith is he's sturdy enough to rush from the 3 or 5 technique on obvious passing downs, you get him Kerrigan and Gallette on the field at the same time. Lot of great flexibility. And pass rushers are like pitchers, you can never have too many.

Very likable kid.

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Sure wish we had JG this year. The pass rush would have been really fun to watch.

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I just put this here but Wil Compton, Mason Foster > Robinson, Riley

Robinson play really tailed off...Compton is dominating his position. Making the calls too. Guy has turned out to be pretty decent.

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[quote=Chico23231;1135310]I just put this here but Wil Compton, Mason Foster > Robinson, Riley

Robinson play really tailed off...Compton is dominating his position. Making the calls too. Guy has turned out to be pretty decent.[/quote]

Agreed. Really thought Robinson was going to step up after showing improvement but it seems as if he has not only stopped devolping but has actually regressed. Riley always struck me as prototypical "Just A Guy" player. He can play in the NFL, occasionally flashes but is eminently replaceable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1135310]I just put this here but Wil Compton, Mason Foster > Robinson, Riley

Robinson play really tailed off...Compton is dominating his position. Making the calls too. Guy has turned out to be pretty decent.[/quote]

I can't believe I didn't realize this after watching Fletcher for so many years and Antonio Pierce before that, but having a cerebral coach on the field type MLB is way more important than athleticism.

Ideally you'd have the brain and braun of Luke Keuchly all wrapped into one like the Panthers do, but given the choice I'll take Compton over Robinson every day of the week. Guy communicates and gets guys lined up.

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Preston Smith is going to be a great one....Dude reminds me of Shawn Barber.

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[quote=Chico23231;1135310]I just put this here but Wil Compton, Mason Foster > Robinson, Riley

Robinson play really tailed off...Compton is dominating his position. Making the calls too. Guy has turned out to be pretty decent.[/quote]

I agree Compton-Mason are playing better as a tandem than Robinson-Riley.
However Robinson was teamed with Riley and Riley has weakness. I think Robinson might have been playing with a bad shoulder.

Riley is really the weak link and in my opinion his play is lacking. If things continue Compton, Mason, Robinson will make a great MLB group. Riley will be the odd man out. We will have a strong LB corp next year. Once Culliver gets back our CB's also look good. We have less and less holes in our line up each time I look.
Tightend, Safety, interior OL, DL and developmental QB seem like are biggest needs.

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Compton is a free agent.

Should the Redskins sign Mario Williams or draft another pass rusher ?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1135412]Compton is a free agent.

Should the Redskins sign Mario Williams or draft another pass rusher ?[/quote]

While you can't have too many pass rushers I wouldn't go for Mario. Junior Gallette will come much cheaper for us. That would give us three outside rushers, and as always consider picking one up in the draft who could push Murph.

Mario will be incredibly costly. Resigning Cousins is going to eat a big chunk of cap space, I'd rather save the space. If I'm going to pay for any position this year it's safety.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1135412]Compton is a free agent.

Should the Redskins sign Mario Williams or draft another pass rusher ?[/quote]
I think under SM, the days of signing High Profile $$$ guys are pretty much gone
........blessfully

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[quote=Hog1;1135418]I think under SM, the days of signing High Profile $$$ guys are pretty much gone
........blessfully[/quote]

I wouldn't sign Williams.

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Signing Williams would be such a Vinny move.

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[quote=Schneed10;1135414]While you can't have too many pass rushers I wouldn't go for Mario. Junior Gallette will come much cheaper for us. That would give us three outside rushers, and as always consider picking one up in the draft who could push Murph.

Mario will be incredibly costly. Resigning Cousins is going to eat a big chunk of cap space, I'd rather save the space. If I'm going to pay for any position this year it's safety.[/quote]

Any predictions on cap space ? There could be several vets cut and 30+ million of space.... they can carry to 2016 6 or 7 million dollars of space from this year.

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I didn't even realize Mario Williams was on the field when we played the bills...but he was. Looked back to see, he had one tackle. There is no way I would want this guy

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[quote=Irrefutable;1135421]Any predictions on cap space ? There could be several vets cut and 30+ million of space.... they can carry to 2016 6 or 7 million dollars of space from this year.[/quote]

I'll put pen to paper sometime after the Skins get bounced from the playoffs, but I'm thinking after signing Cousins there will be 15M in space or so.

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[quote=Schneed10;1135425]I'll put pen to paper sometime after the Skins get bounced from the playoffs, but I'm thinking after signing Cousins there will be 15M in space or so.[/quote]

you must be assuming Cousins gets 12-15 million and no vets are cut

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well, MW wasn't used well in buffalo this year, last year he was great for them.

that said i wouldn't want to be in line to pay him. 30, still has some years left, but he'll be overpaid for sure. and that extra money over JG or whoever else probably wouldn't be merited. you'd also get stuck with expensive dead years after his play declines (which is likely), so i think making no move here is the right call. too much risk.

and as other have said, guys like kirk or dj and compton etc etc are going to need some money, they're much safer investments, since we've already seen them work in our system and how they fit in with the other players on this team.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1135427]you must be assuming Cousins gets 12-15 million and no vets are cut[/quote]

Yes pretty much. I think you might see one or two move on, but I think McCloughan really values the tone they help set.

But I could be off by about 5m, who knows. I like to do the math each year, but haven't done it yet. Still too much in the moment with this playoff team.

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Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.

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[quote=Schneed10;1135431]Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.[/quote]

add Roberts, Riley, Jeron Johnson, and Kory Lichtensteiger

renegotiate D Hall

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[quote=Schneed10;1135431]Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.[/quote]

You're right. A good 3-4 DE can be found in the draft in the late rounds....and this particular football player would have a much higher motor than Jason Hatcher!

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[quote=Irrefutable;1135435]add Roberts, Riley, Jeron Johnson, and Kory Lichtensteiger

renegotiate D Hall[/quote]

Roberts for certain.

Steiger, no way I get rid of him. The difference in the run blocking with and without him is drastic. I wouldn't sit tight at center, I might draft one and see how the competition shakes out. But he's a savvy vet who can make a lot of adjustments and is still fairly agile.

Jeron Johnson is a minimum salary player. Or close to it. You don't save anything by cutting him. I have no idea why you'd do anything but bring him into camp and let him compete for his job.

Riley, I could see cutting him but only if you think Martrell Spaight and Mason Foster are your depth behind Compton.

Hall's salary is already low. I don't see a need to do anything there. Versatile player who is highly respected in the locker room.

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Hatcher is solid but not worth his cap number next year (8.75M) and releasing him saves 4.5M. So, yeah, he is likely gone unless he takes a significant pay cut. I don't really see any point in a restructure given the numbers involved, the production shown, and his age/injury factors. If he [I]wants[/I] to come back he will have to make that happen.

Riley, maybe, maybe not. He has a 5M cap hit and releasing him saves 4M. He was pretty clearly outplayed by Compton and Foster. He really brings little to the table except experience and Compton already shows better instincts. He may be back, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut if Spaight steps up.

To me, Steig, Hall, Johnson pretty much no brainers for a return. Maybe restructure/extend DHall & Steig but they have manageable hits and are under contract for two years. No need to dick around with their k's. Both are signed through 2017 for manageable numbers (Stieg = 4M/yr; DHall = 5M/yr).

As an aside - much crow to eat on the DHall conversion to safety and impact of Johnson. Preseason, I was not in favor of DHall conversion; I did not think he had the skill set for it or the appropriate mind-set. I was wrong - DHall has been solid and improving in the position. Also, thought JJohnson was going to be a sneaky good impact signing by Scotty McC. Again, I was wrong; Johnson has really made little impact - even on special teams which were supposed to be his forte'.

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As far as hatcher goes, you should be able to renegotiate with him...I'm fairly certain he has graded out as our top dline man. He been good. I'd like to see him back at s lower number.

No way Kory L is back with us. He was terrible and not a fit with Callahan. I'd look for a draft pick or a free agent. Leribus is gone too. There are some interesting free agents at center as well as depth in the draft. Quake mentioned a good one at Norte dame; Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan st, and I believe Iowa has solid prospects.

Roberts is an easy cut.

D Hall u bring into camp and see if he makes it out.

I really like this Kearse kid at Clemson at strong safety, 6-5 220 lb.
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[B][B][/B][/B][quote=Schneed10;1135440]Roberts for certain.

Steiger, no way I get rid of him. The difference in the run blocking with and without him is drastic. I wouldn't sit tight at center, I might draft one and see how the competition shakes out. But he's a savvy vet who can make a lot of adjustments and is still fairly agile.

Jeron Johnson is a minimum salary player. Or close to it. You don't save anything by cutting him. I have no idea why you'd do anything but bring him into camp and let him compete for his job.

Riley, I could see cutting him but only if you think Martrell Spaight and Mason Foster are your depth behind Compton.

Hall's salary is already low. I don't see a need to do anything there. Versatile player who is highly respected in the locker room.[/quote]

Cutting Jeron Johnson would save about a 1/2 million over a rookie.

Cutting Riley saves $4 million, However, Compton is a Free Agent

Hall is scheduled to make $5 million in 2016

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[quote=Chico23231;1135442]As far as hatcher goes, you should be able to renegotiate with him...I'm fairly certain he has graded out as our top dline man. He been good. I'd like to see him back at s lower number.

No way Kory L is back with us. He was terrible and not a fit with Callahan.
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kory's better than his replacements, and they liked him enough that he'll be back on the active roster and on the field for the playoffs, according to all accounts (short term IR).

one thing to keep in mind is you shouldn't get rid of people without some kind of replacement plan in place. you cut kory and replace him with who? a rookie 4th round pick? and then what, you just hope it works out? I imagine he'll be back at camp and starting next year unless/until someone else steps up.


hall probably stays, especially since you're going to want to restructure goldson down from 8m base salary in 2016. 13m for safeties just seems like a lot for guys that aren't bad, but aren't gamechangers.

hatcher... i don't know that keeping him makes sense, cause he costs a lot and he's had injury issues (which get worse with age). if he goes you probably need to draft or sign someone, but it doesn't have to be an 8m/year player.

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Yeah that's the thing here, we have to switch our mindset a bit. It's been a while since we've been anything other than building from scratch. We're now in the mode of building momentum, we can't just cut players without a strong replacement plan. If we resign Compton that could be a good plan for Riley, but only if we think the backups can replace him.

And with Steiger the last thing you do is play a rookie (unless the rookie is a sure fire first rounder). You have to give Cousins an even stronger run game next year so he can keep developing. Experience is meaningful when you're competing to go deep in the playoffs in 2016.

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too me it makes zero fucking sense in one breath to say hey let's keep the weak link on the Oline and in the other breath say hey lets get rid of our best d-lineman.

Kory was awful this year and lerebius was even worse. I find it hard to believe we can't find a better replacement with an entire offseason to work with. Yes hatcher is old but he is still producing...you got a replacement there? No. Sure we have decisions to make, but we are not anywhere close to having cap issues, so I have less of a problem keeping hatcher with his cap number when he is producing at a high level than keeping Kory l around when play has steadily declined each year.

Dhall is playing strong safety and our CB situation has been riddled with injuries. Now think about this for a moment. No, shut up and think about it. A WR turned db, wil Blackmon free agent off the street....still thinking? Good. Dhall hasn't been very good at strong safety other than the scoop/score play. Highly unlikely he is back.

Goldson...wow. I guess our memories are short on the last ten years of free safety play. Unfuckingbelievable. You make every effort to bring him back next year.

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[quote=MTK;1135302]I'd send him back to the practice squad. Let him know who's boss.[/quote]

Maybe we can get a conditional 7th for him. If we are lucky.