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I'm surprised we don't already have a separate thread for this, but here we are. I'll lead with this piece of news, we are 1 of 4 teams left that have under 50% of the roster vaccinated.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-coronavirus-pandemic-nfl-28b509f34f24a919750dc6c20b787c79[/url]

Guess bringing in that Harvard educated vaccine specialist didn't help.

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Seems odd to me that of a 90 man roster and an NFL threshold of 75%, that is 22 players who dont need to be vaccinated to pass the threshold or basically the entire starting lineup. So with less than 50% vaccinated, even if the entire starting lineup aren't vaccinated there is still a significant number of second stringers who haven't gotten the vaccination yet. Given the amount of competition at each position, vaccine status will be an issue in the final cuts , however much the NFL/PA say it wont be. I didn't think this would be an issue until they cut down to the final 53.

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This is a terrible look and we could be really affected us from a competitive standpoint.

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Not a good look at all. It's going to be really pathetic if this costs us even 1 game.

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And this gives the media something to feed on during camp. You can bet it's going to be a constant topic of conversation.

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Cole Beasley and Montez Sweat group think > Harvard Doctor brought in by team to talk vaccine

Football players not the smartest

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Too many people out there getting their "facts" from Facebook memes. What a toxic dump FB has become.

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It's a perfect storm of distrust. Not just conservatives that distrust the government/don't believe in COVID, but minorities too have a well-deserved reason to distrust the gov't. It's similar at my job, basically every conservative here has no intention of being vaccinated and minorities are the same way. Not saying that's the case here but that's my perception from the outside looking in.

Shame as you would think Ron's health would make him more susceptible and they would do it for him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285961]This is a terrible look and we could be really affected us from a competitive standpoint.[/quote]

This kinda bothers me too. Guys will take years off their life doing anything to gain an edge from a competitive standpoint, but they won't take a shot.

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[quote=mooby;1285970]It's a perfect storm of distrust. Not just conservatives that distrust the government/don't believe in COVID, but minorities too have a well-deserved reason to distrust the gov't. It's similar at my job, basically every conservative here has no intention of being vaccinated and minorities are the same way. Not saying that's the case here but that's my perception from the outside looking in.

Shame as you would think Ron's health would make him more susceptible and they would do it for him.[/quote]

“Well deserved distrust” is as much as bullshit as any other…especially ages 40 and below.

Stop making excuses, it’s absolute nonsensical as minorities can’t get IDs for voting

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Had a co-worker test positive recently. She's anti-vax, anti-masks, just did some major traveling. Needless to say nobody feels bad for her.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285973]“Well deserved distrust” is as much as bullshit as any other…especially ages 40 and below.

Stop making excuses, it’s absolute nonsensical [B]as minorities can’t get IDs for voting[/B][/quote]

This is not the starter that you think it is. Nobody is saying you should be able to vote without having to present any form of ID. What people are saying is laws that are presented as "for the benefit of maintaining election integrity" when in reality it's "we can't win the popular vote so we need to make it more difficult for dem votes to be counted" are bs.

If you want to respond take it to the appropriate forum. Not trying to jack this thread up.

Minorities don't trust the government dating back to the last 100 years because the government has enacted laws that discriminated against them in that time. If you think that doesn't play a factor idk what to tell you.

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Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol

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[quote=MTK;1285981]Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol[/quote]

So true.

I saw this yesterday, Yankees game cancelled after 6 players test positive:
[URL="https://www.today.com/video/yankee-game-cancelled-after-6-team-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-116876357741"]https://www.today.com/video/yankee-game-cancelled-after-6-team-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-116876357741[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285981]Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol[/QUOTE]


Transparency. Sounds good to me. Of course a paranoid conspiracy theorist who doesn’t believe there is enough transparency and thinks there is some secret agenda will have major problems with this. Ironic to say the least…

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1285973]“Well deserved distrust” is as much as bullshit as any other…especially ages 40 and below.

Stop making excuses, it’s absolute nonsensical as minorities can’t get IDs for voting[/QUOTE]


Idk Chico. Minorities have been shit on somewhat over the years. Id say they have more of a reason to not trust the government.

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[quote=punch it in;1285990]Idk Chico. Minorities have been shit on somewhat over the years. Id say they have more of a reason to not trust the government.[/quote]

It’s actually not. This is more white progressives speaking for minorities ala voter id fake excuse of poc “don’t have the ability to get ids” which have been repeated over and over. This is misinformation and a convenient excuse for Democratic run cities and federal government to explain their failures in unvaccinated numbers with the groups. The main reasons minority groups aren’t getting vaccinated are literally inline with white and other ethic groups. In Richmond the mayor said the main reason given on survey information within the city just a month or two ago was “busy, life got in the way” with concerns about side effects second. When you actually break down the data, poor folks…white and black..align but you know the media isn’t gonna push the truth…they rather divide people with racial, political false narratives. That sells.

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if your saying these athletes should take the vaccine, i hope you've taken it yourself and not talking out of the side of your mouth. I've taken mine and i'm a person of colour. i trust the Scientist and Doctors just not sure about the people in control.

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[quote=mooby;1285970]Shame as you would think Ron's health would make him more susceptible and they would do it for him.[/quote]


Hopefully, Ron has been vaccinated. Which would make this point moot.

Unless the vaccines don't work. Which would make getting the vaccine pointless.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1285997]Hopefully, Ron has been vaccinated. Which would make this point moot.

Unless the vaccines don't work. Which would make getting the vaccine pointless.[/quote]

You can still get COVID with the vaccine, it just lowers your risk of hospitalization.

Imagine if Ron got COVID and had to step away from the team for two weeks to rest because half his players don't feel like getting vaccinated. It would be pretty fucked up.

Imagine if we had an outbreak and lost several starters and then lost multiple games because the NFL won't cancel or postpone any games, that would also be fucked up.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285995]It’s actually not. This is more white progressives speaking for minorities ala voter id fake excuse of poc “don’t have the ability to get ids” which have been repeated over and over. This is misinformation and a convenient excuse for Democratic run cities and federal government to explain their failures in unvaccinated numbers with the groups. The main reasons minority groups aren’t getting vaccinated are literally inline with white and other ethic groups. In Richmond the mayor said the main reason given on survey information within the city just a month or two ago was “busy, life got in the way” with concerns about side effects second. When you actually break down the data, poor folks…white and black..align but you know the media isn’t gonna push the truth…they rather divide people with racial, political false narratives. That sells.[/quote]

This is that dumb shit you're always on, stop drinking the Faux News kool-aid Chico. Nobody is saying minorities deliberately don't want/don't have the ability to get ID's or any of that other dumb shit.

I literally work in a shop where minorities make up a strong percentage of my coworkers. Asian, Black, Latino. They have all said at various points they don't believe COVID is dangerous (the flu is more dangerous is a very common line) and they don't trust the government. Now am I saying that my generalizations should be applied to the majority of the population? No. But I see the same shit on FB and when that seems to be the overwhelming opinion for people who haven't gotten vaccinated I tend to believe that more than "I haven't had the time." The vaccine has been publicly available for months now, there is no shortage anywhere and no more lines to wait in. That line works during the first couple months when lines were outrageous, but you can't keep repeating it for months on end especially when you can be in and out in under an hour.

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Distrust in the government isn’t a big driver of the hesitancy. So if you parse demographics and immediately say “well this is because of the past” when you see the obvious low number in minority group…that’s being dishonest.

If their is distrust in government maybe Biden and Kamala saying they would be hesitant and not to trust the trump vaccine last year in the fall, maybe the abrupt and incompetent decision to halt the J&J or maybe the inconsistent cdc handling of messaging…this is more likely to drive distrust numbers in government.

Could you also imagine blaming social media on not hitting July vaccine goal. Jfc…amazing. Just imagine if Bigly would have threatened to censor social media…people would be losing their shit here

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[quote=mooby;1285999]You can still get COVID with the vaccine, it just lowers your risk of hospitalization.

Imagine if Ron got COVID and had to step away from the team for two weeks to rest because half his players don't feel like getting vaccinated. It would be pretty fucked up.

Imagine if we had an outbreak and lost several starters and then lost multiple games because the NFL won't cancel or postpone any games, that would also be fucked up.[/quote]


It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1286004]It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.[/quote]


More than 10,000 people died of Covid in June. 99.2% of those had not been vaccinated. July’s numbers are likely to be worse…

Argument over. Get vaccinated.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1286004]It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.[/quote]


[url]https://www.nbc12.com/2021/07/12/look-covid-19-cases-deaths-among-fully-vaccinated-virginians/[/url]

This is just a look at Virginia as that is the state I'm most familiar with.

Since January:
1k fully vaccinated Virginians have contracted COVID. 71 were hospitalized, and 17 died.

However, the total # of Virginians that have contracted COVID were:
"Out of 190,846 total COVID-19 cases, 189,783 cases were among people who were not fully vaccinated. That’s 99.4% of recorded cases since Jan. 21.

More than 6,700 of those cases resulted in hospitalization. Since January, nearly 2,430 COVID-19 deaths occurred among Virginians who weren’t fully vaccinated."

So yeah, you can still catch COVID. The odds of you dying from it if you're fully vaccinated are less than 1% but it can still happen. Would I bet on it happening? No. But I assume we're all here because we want this team to win, and with under 50% vaccinated they're only making it tougher on their selves to do so.

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At no point did anyone say these vaccines were 100% but they help way more than they don't .Get the effing vaccines

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[quote=Giantone;1286007]At no point did anyone say these vaccines were 100% put they help way more than they don't .Get the effing vaccines[/quote]

In before "I don't want to take something that isn't 100% effective, get back to me when it achieves that rate."

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[quote=mooby;1286009]In before "I don't want to take something that isn't 100% effective, get back to me when it achieves that rate."[/quote]

No vaccine is 100% effect on 100% of the population.

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[quote=Giantone;1286010]No vaccine is 100% effect on 100% of the population.[/quote]

#thatsthejoke

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The covid vaccine is showing an efficacy rate above 90%. The flu shot efficacy rate is around 60%. The bottom line is the covid vaccine works incredibly well and people should get vaccinated.

Unfortunately the Green Day song has come true, we are the Idiot States of America.

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[quote=irish;1286012]
Unfortunately the Green Day song has come true, we are the Idiot States of America.[/quote]

It is not just you guys, believe me.

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The number of Covid-19 cases linked to the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games in Japan has risen to 61, according to Tokyo 2020 organizers.

"The total number of positive cases linked with accredited personnel is 61. But it's important to look inside the numbers: among the total, 33 are positive cases from residents of Japan, 28 are from the Olympic Committees arriving from overseas," the spokesperson of Tokyo 2020 Organizing Committee Masa Takaya said Monday.

"Regarding this 28, we need to look at the 22,000 people arriving in Japan. Looking into the positive case rate, the number is nearly 0.1%," the spokesperson added.

Tokyo 2020 did not reveal the names nor nationalities of the new cases. The Games are set to begin on Friday.

[url]https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/olympics-coronavirus-pandemic-07-19-21/index.html[/url]

The Yankees were allowed to return to baseball on Friday, but without two of their best players. Aaron Judge and Gio Urshela, along with the backup catcher Kyle Higashioka, were placed on the Covid-19 injured list after testing positive for the coronavirus. All are expected to miss at least 10 days.

While many of the positive tests among Yankees players and staff this season have been so-called breakthrough cases, where a player who was vaccinated tested positive, the team said that was not the case for all of Friday’s positive tests, meaning at least one of the players was not vaccinated. But the Yankees did not identify which players were, or weren’t, vaccinated.

Judge, one of the most popular Yankee players, was at Tuesday’s All-Star Game in Denver, and was near many of the game’s biggest stars, igniting concern that the game’s best players may have been exposed.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/sports/baseball/aaron-judge-covid-yankees.html[/url]

Professional golfer Jon Rahm nearly fell to his knees on Saturday after learning that he had tested positive for COVID-19 and had to withdraw from the Memorial Tournament in Ohio. In that moment of anguish, did he give any thought to everyone else affected by his decision not to vaccinate weeks ago?

Rahm had just finished the third round (of four) at the PGA event when officials delivered the bad news next to the 18th green. He held a six-stroke lead, and in golf, that’s nearly insurmountable. Had he won, the first-place prize was $1.67 million. Second place was worth $1 million.

[url]https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/a-high-profile-covid-19-cautionary-tale-golfer-jon-rahm/[/url]


Im starting to accept that COVID will be here long term.

Easier to say personal choice when its individual sports like golfers .. harder to say when its a team sport.

Wish everyone would get vaccinated but with this in terms of skins football .. guess we have to have to just wait for the eventual news and hope for the best.

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Skins not getting vaccinated will come back to bite us. Calling it now

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This is so dumb and totally preventable.

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We should just release every player that isn't vaccinated and sign free agents that are. Safety 1st!

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My hope is with the big D variant…we get hit in camp/preseason early. Let it go thru the team…Coach Ron stays safe…and the unvaccinated pick up the anti bodies for the season

Dr Chico covid team prescription

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Players fighting for backup spots should definitely worry about teams keeping vaccinated players over non. Don't give teams an easy reason to let you go.

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I'm amazed that people deliberately put themselves at risk for something that's preventable but that's what idiots do.

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Two NFL teams remain under 50% vaccinated less than two weeks from the start of training camp, a person familiar with the vaccination rates told The Associated Press.

[B]As for Friday, Washington and Indianapolis had the two lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates among the 32 teams in the league,[/B] according to the person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the league hasn’t released the numbers, which are changing daily.

Pittsburgh, Miami, Carolina and Denver have the highest vaccination rates and are among 10 teams that have achieved at least 85%. About 73% of players have been vaccinated. Teams on the lower end of the vaccination table face potential competitive disadvantages.

The NFL doesn’t plan to cancel any games this season, the person said.

In a memo sent to clubs last week and obtained by the AP on Thursday, the NFL, in conjunction with the NFLPA, updated protocols to allow teams traveling to joint practices to have their daily maximum of Tier 1 and Tier 2 individuals. The traveling party will be either 100 or 140, depending on the club’s vaccination percentage. The club must limit the number of individuals traveling on the team transportation to 85 but may travel additional Tier 1 and Tier 2 staff up to the applicable daily Tier limits separately to attend the practice.

Also, beginning at the start of training camp, teams will be required to develop a method to visually identify fully vaccinated Tier 1 and Tier 2 individuals.

Utilizing color-coded wristbands or credentials are recommended but clubs are free to implement other methods.

Last month, the NFL and the players’ union updated protocols to loosen restrictions for fully vaccinated players and to encourage others to get the vaccine.

Unvaccinated players must continue to get daily testing, wear masks and practice physical distancing. They won’t be allowed to eat meals with teammates, can’t participate in media or marketing activities while traveling, aren’t permitted to use the sauna or steam room and may not leave the team hotel or interact with people outside the team while traveling. Vaccinated players will not have any of those restrictions.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-coronavirus-pandemic-nfl-28b509f34f24a919750dc6c20b787c79[/url]

Anyone read about the penalties if an unvaccinated player breaks protocol?

I dont think wed be able to keep these young guys from doing young guy things like go out, socialize etc .. especially when they see half their vaccinated teammates going out and eating, socializing etc

On road trips .. unvaccinated players have to stay in their room? Keep their masks on? Not socialize and play madden with other teammates? Good luck with that.

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[quote=SunnySide;1286022]Two NFL teams remain under 50% vaccinated less than two weeks from the start of training camp, a person familiar with the vaccination rates told The Associated Press.

As for Friday, Washington and Indianapolis had the two lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates among the 32 teams in the league, according to the person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the league hasn’t released the numbers, which are changing daily.

Pittsburgh, Miami, Carolina and Denver have the highest vaccination rates and are among 10 teams that have achieved at least 85%. About 73% of players have been vaccinated. Teams on the lower end of the vaccination table face potential competitive disadvantages.

The NFL doesn’t plan to cancel any games this season, the person said.

In a memo sent to clubs last week and obtained by the AP on Thursday, the NFL, in conjunction with the NFLPA, updated protocols to allow teams traveling to joint practices to have their daily maximum of Tier 1 and Tier 2 individuals. The traveling party will be either 100 or 140, depending on the club’s vaccination percentage. The club must limit the number of individuals traveling on the team transportation to 85 but may travel additional Tier 1 and Tier 2 staff up to the applicable daily Tier limits separately to attend the practice.

Also, beginning at the start of training camp, teams will be required to develop a method to visually identify fully vaccinated Tier 1 and Tier 2 individuals.

Utilizing color-coded wristbands or credentials are recommended but clubs are free to implement other methods.

Last month, the NFL and the players’ union updated protocols to loosen restrictions for fully vaccinated players and to encourage others to get the vaccine.

Unvaccinated players must continue to get daily testing, wear masks and practice physical distancing. They won’t be allowed to eat meals with teammates, can’t participate in media or marketing activities while traveling, aren’t permitted to use the sauna or steam room and may not leave the team hotel or interact with people outside the team while traveling. Vaccinated players will not have any of those restrictions.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-coronavirus-pandemic-nfl-28b509f34f24a919750dc6c20b787c79[/url]

Anyone read about the penalties if an unvaccinated player breaks protocol?

I dont think wed be able to keep these young guys from doing young guy things like go out, socialize etc .. especially when they see half their vaccinated teammates going out and eating, socializing etc

[B]On road trips .. unvaccinated players have to stay in their room? Keep their masks on? Not socialize and play madden with other teammates? Good luck with that.[/B][/quote]

So the NFL is putting players in white collar prison? Sounds legit. Fucking mafia. And we know it's not because they care about the players. Just trying to protect their money coming in.