Kliff Kingsbury Gone?
 

Washington has also had conversations about potentially moving on from [Kliff] Kingsbury even if he doesn’t get a head-coaching job. Some in the building say there’s been a disconnect between Kingsbury and general manager Adam Peters. When was the last time we were watching to see if an offensive coordinator was going to get fired while he was also preparing for head coaching interviews? We’ll see how this shakes out. The Commanders likely won’t make any final decisions until they see how the broader coaching market develops."

Dianna Rossini

Wow…I’d say this would be a little shocking vs the most obvious coordinator needing to go…Whitt.

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KK needs to go ! Whitt is gone ! DQ is on thin ice ..

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I saw the news, I was kinda surprised by it as well. Especially the disconnect between him and AP, which is a little bit weird since Kliff is just an offense coordinator. I think it would have made more sense if we are considering letting Kliff go when there is a disconnect between Kliff and DQ. But a disconnect between an OC and GM? That's somewhat odd.

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Scenario - AP telling DQ 'we should have done more with what we had, schemed better to protect JD5 and run the ball more', particularly with those games the O sucked (i.e. Vikings). He might have talked to both of them about it (not least as DQ is a D coach) and gotten the brush off from KK, who's probably thinking he'll get a HC job one way or the other. AP is the GM and has ownership backing, so likely has the power to push DQ to sack KK, or put onus on DQ to get production out of the O with KK else be fired too.

For me KK has been brilliant at times but at others come up with baffling calls and schemeing that would only work in college. Can we do better though, this offseason?

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Sadly it should be a total rebuild.scheme wise both sides of the ball.

Sucks for JD5 and company across the board both sides but it aint working, neither scheme.

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JD5’s mom posted last night endorsed Kliff returning with JD5

[url]https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/kliff_kingsbury_got_a_very_unexpected_yet_noteworthy_public_endorsement_for_his_return_to_the_commanders_next_season/s1_17313_43287697[/url]


Not great folks

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Is DQ really taking advice from a players momma?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1379040]Is DQ really taking advice from a players momma?[/quote]

It’s just an unwanted distraction

This is Snyder era like.

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I think she just does that stuff. I doubt anyone in the building pays attention to it.


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KK to LV? If he goes, who would you replace him with? Stefanski?

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We got some guys here… David Blough is a name everyone raves about.

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I dislike his offense. It's proven not to be sustainable in the NFL. I don't like all the designed QB runs, the hurry up 100% of the time, the lack of movement and shifting, shotgun 99% of the time. How can you have a strong play action game w/out any under center runs? He needs to make things easier on the QB.

Kliff needs to go coach college ball. He'd be great there.

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I've never been a KK fan, but I was willing to give him a shot. I think his system is ultimately going to get JD killed. Dude needs to stop running that RPO shit. It works great in college, but not so much in the NFL. Might be great for stat padding with a fast QB, but not going to win you the big prize though. That's still on a good defense.

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Meanwhile, Whitt is still employed.

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[quote=jamf;1379060]Meanwhile, Whitt is still employed.[/quote]

I think it's a given that Joe Whitt will be gone, or employed in a lesser role. Probably best for him if he moves on elsewhere, as I anticipate a new defensive coordinator might not want him on staff.

0% chance he comes back as defensive playcaller considering he was demoted in season, and 0% chance DQ sticks to defensive playcaller next year.

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Kliff gone. Whitt gone. Good.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1379066]Kliff gone. Whitt gone. Good.[/quote]

Oh yes!

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They need to look at what Ben Johnson has done w/ Caleb. Look at what Kyle has done w/ the last pick in the damn draft. Get JD under center some more. Get him doing some boots. It's not that hard. Get away from all the shotgun plays and designed QB runs.
There are plenty of guys that can implement that kind of offense.

Go get a Brian Flores type. Stop playing this pussy defense. Hell go get Gregg Williams. I think he's coaching the Defenders. He's been the 2nd best DC here since Ritchie.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1379069]They need to look at what Ben Johnson has done w/ Caleb. Look at what Kyle has done w/ the last pick in the damn draft. Get JD under center some more. Get him doing some boots. It's not that hard. Get away from all the shotgun plays and designed QB runs.
There are plenty of guys that can implement that kind of offense.

Go get a Brian Flores type. Stop playing this pussy defense. Hell go get Gregg Williams. I think he's coaching the Defenders. He's been the 2nd best DC here since Ritchie.[/quote]

I loved Gregg Williams when he was our DC

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[quote=skinsfan69;1379069]They need to look at what Ben Johnson has done w/ Caleb. Look at what Kyle has done w/ the last pick in the damn draft. Get JD under center some more. Get him doing some boots. It's not that hard. Get away from all the shotgun plays and designed QB runs.
There are plenty of guys that can implement that kind of offense.

Go get a Brian Flores type. Stop playing this pussy defense. Hell go get Gregg Williams. I think he's coaching the Defenders. He's been the 2nd best DC here since Ritchie.[/quote]

Systems matter.

I find it funny that we don’t talk enough about that when we talk QB play.

My feeling is this, for a running game it’s better under center. I just think it easier to disguise, hand offs are less visible and RB/Oline run play is faster developing. Passing game benefits as I believe holds the middle defenders (safety/lb) just a second more.

I’d ask JD5 what he prefers when passing the ball and then mix it up, coaching to what may be a weakness throwing when under center.

To me the clearest thing is this, the OC who takes the job…protecting JD5 body needs to be a primary goal. Enough design runs and trying to scramble when there is nowhere to go: throw the ball away.

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[quote=Chico23231;1379110]Systems matter.

To me the clearest thing is this, the OC who takes the job…protecting JD5 body needs to be a primary goal. Enough design runs and trying to scramble when there is nowhere to go: throw the ball away.[/quote]

These 2 points in particular. I like BMitch, but he said something like talent matters more than system/coaching. Sorry, wrong. Talent is a big part but without a way to utilise that talent most effectively, the best roster in the league likely isn't winning it all.

And protecting JD5 is a must. I don't hold with the 'he's too frail' argument, but it will be proven valid if we don't protect him adequately from hits, and more importantly, coach him to look after himself. Get OOB, get rid of the ball, learn how to roll with a tackle to minimise injury risk etc. All of this can be drummed into him with the right teacher. And I'd add a good QB coach (assuming Blough is gone too) can only help.

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I am probably in the minority here but I would have liked KK to stay on. I thought his game plan clicked last year. This year no QB1, WR1, WR2 etc. He owned when he called a bad game (Minnesota). I get the frustration with not having enough of JD under center but there could be reasons for that which make me concerned for other reasons. I am perfectly fine with the designed runs.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1379118]I am probably in the minority here but I would have liked KK to stay on. I thought his game plan clicked last year. This year no QB1, WR1, WR2 etc. He owned when he called a bad game (Minnesota). I get the frustration with not having enough of JD under center but there could be reasons for that which make me concerned for other reasons. I am perfectly fine with the designed runs.[/quote]

I tend to agree with this, unless the team had a clear vision in mind for a person that could run an offense that they believed would be more effective given our personnel. Moving on for the sake of moving on after a disappointing season is not a recipe for success. I assume a more thoughtful approach here, but the eventual hire will prove it out (or otherwise).

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[quote=calia;1379119]I tend to agree with this, unless the team had a clear vision in mind for a person that could run an offense that they believed would be more effective given our personnel. Moving on for the sake of moving on after a disappointing season is not a recipe for success. I assume a more thoughtful approach here, but the eventual hire will prove it out (or otherwise).[/quote]

if the answer is DQ is the play caller i take KK over him 10 over 10 times

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New OC considerations. Thoughts? [URL="https://atozsports.com/nfl/washington-commanders-news/offensive-coordinator-candidates-grant-udinski-brian-daboll-todd-monken-bobby-slowik-tommy-rees/?fbclid=IwY2xjawPLiahleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFJU3FlcmRYZUhnRzhKUXlNc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHgNaqXPSIeuKuOj2qekCnX9hH84RMSy_EFm3ex7pP65r90stqzbMQmksAyB1_aem_NETE6Ck8vToUTY1JC_yWfQ"]https://atozsports.com/nfl/washington-commanders-news/offensive-coordinator-candidates-grant-udinski-brian-daboll-todd-monken-bobby-slowik-tommy-rees/?fbclid=IwY2xjawPLiahleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFJU3FlcmRYZUhnRzhKUXlNc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHgNaqXPSIeuKuOj2qekCnX9hH84RMSy_EFm3ex7pP65r90stqzbMQmksAyB1_aem_NETE6Ck8vToUTY1JC_yWfQ[/URL]

I like the idea of Slowik for 2 reasons; Shanahan tree and by the same token, he could help the D where they've arguably been weakest - vs Shanahan scheme offenses.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1379118]I am probably in the minority here but I would have liked KK to stay on. I thought his game plan clicked last year. This year no QB1, WR1, WR2 etc. He owned when he called a bad game (Minnesota). I get the frustration with not having enough of JD under center but there could be reasons for that which make me concerned for other reasons. I am perfectly fine with the designed runs.[/quote]

I would not have been opposed to KK returning. I just wanted to see him do a better job of coaching JD5 to protect himself and less designed runs. He just does not have that frame to take repeated hits…that’s just a fact.