Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner (Preseason 2005)
 

I don't have a link, but he was talking about Rod Gardner today on Sirius NFL radio. Apparently Rod lives in Atlanta during the offseason and they work out at the same place.

First thing he made is Gardner is already with the first team and looks absolutely amazing. Secondly, he said that Gardner told him that the offense in Washington was horrible, it didn't suit his style at all, and that we didn't have a QB to get him the ball. He said "Last year I felt more like a retreiver than a receiver. The QB would skip the ball to me, I'd pick it off the ground and bring it back instead of catching it and running."

I know this is Rod Gardner hate center, but I truly believe he had a bad rap here and wasn't used correctly. He dropped some bad balls, but look at the stats when we throw his way a lot per game. When we like to toss the ball to him a lot he gets tons of yards and makes big plays. Braylon Edwards dropped a lot of balls early in games at Michigan, yet they didn't stop going to him and it showed.

I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.

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where'd you go daseal, you haven't been on much lately. anyways, it seems like whenever someone gets the chance to leave washington, before they even play a game for another team they start bad mouthing us. i mean, i think there was a time when smoot was talking bad about the skins this offseason in minnesota, and we all know coles bad mouthed us. first oppurtunity they get, they take the chance to say we suck. shit, even antonio pierce talked shit about us.

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I've said in a few other threads. I wake up at about 12:30 AM, get home at 1-2 PM, sleep till 6, go back to bed at 9. So I've been reading but not much time to post. Had a little extra time this week luckily.

I was pretty sure Smoot said pretty good things about DC, but shouldn't we look at our orginization and figure there's probably a reason TO bad mouth us? One playoff run in 12 or 13 years. I don't see why Antonio Pierce talked like that because a scheme got him paid more than he's worth, he should sing the praises. I understand why criticism comes.

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yeah but to bad mouth the organization when they never even did anything to you, it just shows where your heart really was while you were here. true, we haven't had a winning record in a long time, but to see these players talk shit about us first chance they get isn't something i like. they could have a little professional courtesy and keep their thoughts to themselves. we all thought antonio pierce liked it here, then he comes out in an article bad mouthing us. i remember an article where fred smoot said the same things. and now rod gardner.

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I wouldn't at all be surprised if Gardner has a good year. My guess is that a change of place will do him a world of good--he just couldn't get it done here, and the damage was done.

I'm just glad we got something for him. Still, my guess is that he'll have a big year--he's got the skills if he can stay focused. That's a big if, I know. BUt no way he turns it around in DC at this point, so we had to deal him, IMO.

As for players bad-mouthing the skins--well, whatever. We all know Danny loves the FAs on the way in, so when folks don't get a big payday, they feel betrayed. But Gibbs is changing that, so over time we'll hear less and less of it, I guess. ANd if we win, then everyone will say how great we are. It's the way things go in the NFL and sports in general.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]
I know this is Rod Gardner hate center, but I truly believe he had a bad rap here and wasn't used correctly. He dropped some bad balls, but look at the stats when we throw his way a lot per game. When we like to toss the ball to him a lot he gets tons of yards and makes big plays. Braylon Edwards dropped a lot of balls early in games at Michigan, yet they didn't stop going to him and it showed.

I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.[/QUOTE]

If you have forgotten, your boy Spurrier sure did pitch him the ball a lot, but what happened? Spurrier, the most easy going coach in the history of the game, benched him. What does that tell you?!

Coles with a toe injury is not better than anyone on the team now. Coles was a good WR before he got hurt, but after his injury, he was no where near what we paid him to be.

Gardner would be a very good player if he was consistent, but he's not. He could not be relied upon to produce when he was wearing a Redskins jersey. No ifs ands or buts about it, that's fact.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]
I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.[/QUOTE]



are you insane? could you not see the difference in coles ability to get open after the toe injury? coles is not better than moss or patten at this time, he is injured and it has really affected his ability to separate from defenders or make good cuts.

gardner has done nothing but stink up the field since entering the nfl. will he turn things around and play better in carolina? possibly but it doesn't really matter because he was close to pathetic in washington.

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What's so ironic about the players that leave for other teams and badmouth us is that when they come to us initially they have nothing but good things to say, when for whatever reason things don't work out it's all negative. Several players come to mind when I'm reminded of this. Dan Wilkerson, Jerimiah Trotter, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Indeque Kalu, Antonio Pierce, Mike Sellers, L, Coles, Rod Gardner, the list just goes on and on. When they're done playing where they are now they will say bad things about that team if they're fortunate enough to move on to still another team. It seems to be a trend for which there is no cure.

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i dissagree wolfeskins.

i think coles and his toe is better than moss and his hamstring/ankle/knee.
gardner was able to compete and beat defender. his problem was concentration and offensive consistency.

what facinates me is the high praise for patten. what has patten done in his career? is being a 3rd stringer in a superbowl a big deal?
btw
that wr you call pathetic has more TD's in 4 years with 3 different coaches than patten has in his 8 year career and he has 600 less yards than patten in half the time.

gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.

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Well, I would like to thank the Redskins for giving up Rod Gardner...From what I saw at the Panthers training camp...Rod Gardner looked awesome. I really feel he is gonna help out the Panthers a lot. Now, he won't be as good as Smith but not to many are :). That is if we can stay away from the injury bug that plagued us last year.

BTW wish you guys a great season this year. Can't wait to see the Redskins and Panthers play Saturday night...I know it is preseason but it's still Football.



gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.[/QUOTE]

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but neither of them wanted to be here, so they probably would have played even worse than last year if they stayed. We needed to get rid of both of them and I'm glad we did. I'm happy with a 3-time super bowl winner and a legitamite deep threat then "drop it like its hot" and "the toe."

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[QUOTE=Fooz]Well, I would like to thank the Redskins for giving up Rod Gardner...From what I saw at the Panthers training camp...Rod Gardner looked awesome. I really feel he is gonna help out the Panthers a lot. Now, he won't be as good as Smith but not to many are :). That is if we can stay away from the injury bug that plagued us last year.

BTW wish you guys a great season this year. Can't wait to see the Redskins and Panthers play Saturday night...I know it is preseason but it's still Football.



gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


Hello Fooz welcome to the boards. Just wait until you are at a key point in the game and Gardner starts dropping passes......then let us know how much you like him ;)

Good Luck to the Panthers this year too.........I like your coach, and your QB Jake. I liked Stephen Davis but the guy couldn't stay healthy when he was a Skin and STILL can't for the Panthers.......can't wait for the game.........

Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner.
 

I believe that coles got hurt week 3 of the season before this past one here are how his stats looked
Week 1 106
Week 2 180
Week 3 105
NOW HE GETS HURT
Week 4 62
Week 5 60
Week 6 58
WEEK 7 17!!!
in fact the rest of the year he had 1 game OVER 100 yards

First 3 weeks without injury 3 games over 100 yards. Next 29 games 2 games over 100 yards
Since yards are not everything
in that first game he averaged 21.2 yards a catch after that he only had 1 game with more YPC the rest of his redskin career

Now i am just stating facts and if you read the top of that and inferred that i was saying coles was doing worse after his injury........ well then you just agreed that coles has done worse after his injury because i never said coles was doing worse and you came to that conclusion on your own
[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187742/gamelogs/2003"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187742/gamelogs/2003[/url]

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Honestly I think that gardner is a decent #3 reciever, but some of the fans hyping him up to be better than moose are delusional. I have no idea what the hell he will do in NC and niether does anyone else. Inconsistancy = unpredictability. And no one here, wether they support the guy or not, can say that he was consistantly productive, or even consistantly adequate for that matter.

As far as the history of players leaving the team and bitching about us, you're gonna get that with a losing team, but just look at the facts. We've brought in winning coaches and great talent to a team with a rich tradition in the sport. We've got an owner (who by the way isn't exactly losing money on our losing seasons) who will shell out any amount of money to bring in the players/coaches to produce wins. And then you've got the players. Draftees with high hopes and FA's promised big checks. Since we started the downward spiral here, everyone has been blaming the other guy. Players can't exactly go out and say its their fault they lose, cause then they're out of a job. Coaches can't exactly blame themselves (although they can shovel the shit downhill a bit). And the owner is the owner... and the owner is never at fault.

Since all this came about there's been only one person to come in and actually take some fucking responsibility when it comes to losing and that's our current head coach. Spurrier ran off at the mouth about Snyder after he left... and if i'm not mistaken shottenheimer did so as well. (don't know about turner). And I think that's where the winning mentality has to start. You have to hold yourself responsible for what's going on around you and take responsiblity to fix it if its not working.

Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner.
 

Good post, cantthetuna! I agree.

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I don't doubt that carolina's system is far more conducive to Gardner's style, but regardless of that they will come to the same conclusion we have, Gardner will burn you every time, and when you can't trust a WR to make a simple catch in a big spot you really don't care what he does the rest of the game because you know he can't be trusted in a crucial spot, so you don't want him on the field period.

Just wondering if he's blaming the coaches for all his assinine penalties as well? For you panther fans, Rod doesn't have to actually be in a play or drop a ball to burn you, he can be committing a stupid personal foul away from the ball and kill you that way as well. Good luck with him though you'll need it!


Didn't Champ bad mouth us last year? And he turned in a stellar performance last season didn't he, the overated, overhyped, overpaid legend that he is

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guys guys guys look at what Gardner said today


Aug 12 Jenna Fryer, of the Associated Press, reports Carolina Panthers WR Rod Gardner has no ill feelings towards his former team, the Washington Redskins. "They took care of me while I was there," said Gardner, who asked for a trade and was dealt to Carolina for a sixth-round draft pick in July. "I have no complaints. When I asked for a trade, I was blessed to get down here to Carolina. This gives me a chance to exhale and go out there and compete and start over fresh."
[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5462/news"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5462/news[/url]

Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner.
 

i still want to see some drop it like it is hot action tommorrow though

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Gardner had a 100 yard season here in Washington. The guy has the ability to be a legitamate threat. That said, he didn't have the speed to break away from guys and he didn't win as many jump balls as he should have. He could have been used better in the skins offense, but I think that after a few crucial 3rd down drops he lost favor with coachs.

Now, put Gardner in a new situation, new team, QB with a different touch on his throws, he may very well shine. The problem is that, from what I've personally witnessed, he will want to make a play before he catchs the ball and drop the easy one... even when the catch is of vital importance.

Gardner shines in his circus catch ability because thats when he has to concentrate only on catching the ball.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Gardner had a 100 yard season [/QUOTE]

yeah plenty of washington receivers have had those lately.

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[/Quote] Since all this came about there's been only one person to come in and actually take some fucking responsibility when it comes to losing and that's our current head coach.[/QUOTE]

Quote of The Year :food-smil

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[QUOTE=jamf]i dissagree wolfeskins.

i think coles and his toe is better than moss and his hamstring/ankle/knee.
gardner was able to compete and beat defender. his problem was concentration and offensive consistency.

what facinates me is the high praise for patten. what has patten done in his career? is being a 3rd stringer in a superbowl a big deal?
btw
that wr you call pathetic has more TD's in 4 years with 3 different coaches than patten has in his 8 year career and he has 600 less yards than patten in half the time.

gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.[/QUOTE]



how many games has moss missed because of injury? coles stats for last year were posted earlier, before and after the toe injury, those stats tell the story.

let me tell you what patten has done, since you don't know. he's been one of the most CONSISTANT receivers in the nfl, he does NOT drop passes, he does NOT complaine, he wasn't brought here to be the teams #1 wr, he's here to bring CONSISTANCY and RELIABILITY to the team, something that gardner could not do. gardner might have more tds or catches but thats because gardner was drafted by marty to be the skins "go to guy", marty had plenty of plays called for just gardner, likewise did spurrier until the arrival of coles. patten comes from a team that stresses that there is no "go to guy" or #1 wr, they spread the ball around to all their wideouts.


gardner may have a 1000 yard year in carolina, good for him but i really don't care, i care more about moss,patten and the rest of the skins receivers. as to gardner and you agreeing that the skins offense was horrible and the qbs are garbage, i'll agree about the offense last year but i do NOT consider patrick ramsey as garbage. i think he'll have a pretty good season this year.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]I believe that coles got hurt week 3 of the season before this past one here are how his stats looked
Week 1 106
Week 2 180
Week 3 105
NOW HE GETS HURT
Week 4 62
Week 5 60
Week 6 58
WEEK 7 17!!!
in fact the rest of the year he had 1 game OVER 100 yards

First 3 weeks without injury 3 games over 100 yards. Next 29 games 2 games over 100 yards
Since yards are not everything
in that first game he averaged 21.2 yards a catch after that he only had 1 game with more YPC the rest of his redskin career

Now i am just stating facts and if you read the top of that and inferred that i was saying coles was doing worse after his injury........ well then you just agreed that coles has done worse after his injury because i never said coles was doing worse and you came to that conclusion on your own
[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187742/gamelogs/2003"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187742/gamelogs/2003[/url][/QUOTE]

still, even with the hurt toe, his stats dropped 300 yards and his ypc dropped by [b]50%[/b] under GIBBS. some of that may be brunell of course, but hasslebeck didn't exactly light it up when he played in 2003 either.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]
Since all this came about there's been only one person to come in and actually take some fucking responsibility when it comes to losing and that's our current head coach. Spurrier ran off at the mouth about Snyder after he left... and if i'm not mistaken shottenheimer did so as well. (don't know about turner). And I think that's where the winning mentality has to start. You have to hold yourself responsible for what's going on around you and take responsiblity to fix it if its not working.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but i think schotty did have some legitimate complaints. He was the GM and danny had trouble dealing without having control (or much input).

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Look--the O sucked last year. So the WRs stats were weak. I think the real reason Gardner is gone is becuase he didn't want to be here--and he wasn't so great that we fought to change his mind. Likewise with Coles.

Both COles and Gardner will have good stats this year (though I very much doubt Coles gets as mny balls thrown to him as he did last year--he got the ball a TON), but they didn't fit here anymore--they didn't want to be here. That attitude was reason enough to move them. THe toe and the inconsistency were secondary, though important reasons.

As for responsibility and the FO, if you haven't noticed a change since Gibbs got here, I don't think you've been looking very closely. Sure, there was Brunnell. But since that, we've been controlled in our approach. We'll see if it pays off. I'm optimistic. ANd people outside of the organization undersetimate the attitude change inside redskins park with the players. I think that is probably the biggest thing to change. Of course, the real test comes in the season, especially when we lose games, which we will. The question is, how tough are we? How united? Do we come together or split apart? That will determine if Gibbs has had an impact.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]Look--the O sucked last year. So the WRs stats were weak. I think the real reason Gardner is gone is becuase he didn't want to be here--and he wasn't so great that we fought to change his mind. Likewise with Coles.

Both COles and Gardner will have good stats this year (though I very much doubt Coles gets as mny balls thrown to him as he did last year--he got the ball a TON), but they didn't fit here anymore--they didn't want to be here. That attitude was reason enough to move them. THe toe and the inconsistency were secondary, though important reasons.

As for responsibility and the FO, if you haven't noticed a change since Gibbs got here, I don't think you've been looking very closely. Sure, there was Brunnell. But since that, we've been controlled in our approach. We'll see if it pays off. I'm optimistic. ANd people outside of the organization undersetimate the attitude change inside redskins park with the players. I think that is probably the biggest thing to change. Of course, the real test comes in the season, especially when we lose games, which we will. The question is, how tough are we? How united? Do we come together or split apart? That will determine if Gibbs has had an impact.[/QUOTE]




well said, nice post.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]but neither of them wanted to be here, so they probably would have played even worse than last year if they stayed. We needed to get rid of both of them and I'm glad we did. I'm happy with a 3-time super bowl winner and a legitamite deep threat then "drop it like its hot" and "the toe."[/QUOTE]
yea i keep bringing back old threads, but i like how i was pretty much the only one who was right on this one

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Shannon Sharpe is almost as big of a bust as an announcer as Gardner was as a receiver in Carolina. Gibbs knows what he is doing. Remember that when he gets rid of Lavar and signs Keyshawn. You guys will be loving Keyshawn in a year.

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While Ive been pleasantly shocked by Moss's coming out party, I still have doubts on if he can have big games week in and week out against good defenses (all his 100+ receiving games came on secondaries ranked worse than 20th) and if he can go a whole season playing like that/injury free again.

I, for one, sure hope he does and I'm wrong!

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[QUOTE=70Chip] You guys will be loving Keyshawn in a year.[/QUOTE]

i'd love key on my team... the guy is a fierce competitor regardless of the situation. anyone would probaby yell at drew bledsoe if he was your quarterback!

he'd be the solid possession receiver we need!

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[QUOTE=steveo395]yea i keep bringing back old threads, but i like how i was pretty much the only one who was right on this one[/QUOTE]

except you really weren't... the common concensus was that maybe moss wasn't as good but moss + patten were better than gardner + coles.

I know I personally had no problems with letting coles go or sitting him for a year.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]yea i keep bringing back old threads, but i like how i was pretty much the only one who was right on this one[/QUOTE]



only one huh:Smoker: , read posts 6,7,12 and 25 (there are others as well).

Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner.
 

You know what, looking back, I still wouldnt have minded Rod Gardner on this team (if he wanted to be here). He really could have filled the role of a possession reciver alot better than any of our other guys, perticuarly down the stretch. But he didnt want to be here, so I think it was a good call.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]You know what, looking back, I still wouldnt have minded Rod Gardner on this team (if he wanted to be here). He really could have filled the role of a possession reciver alot better than any of our other guys, perticuarly down the stretch. But he didnt want to be here, so I think it was a good call.[/QUOTE]




i don't think he had the kind of attitude that gibbs likes, nor does he have the skills.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i don't think he had the kind of attitude that gibbs likes, nor does he have the skills.[/QUOTE]

he was better than TJ or farris...

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he was better than TJ or farris...[/QUOTE]



yea........ maybe......... but thats not saying much. tj only plays in about 1 game per year (injured the rest) farris might actually be better than rod.

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I've never been anti Gardner; in fact we could have used his presence last season. I must say that his comments make sense and he's capable of making big plays when balls are thrown his way. He's a solid # 2 WR, maybe even #1 on some teams.

We have not seen the last of Rod Gardner.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]I've never been anti Gardner; in fact we could have used his presence last season. I must say that his comments make sense and he's capable of making big plays when balls are thrown his way. He's a solid # 2 WR, maybe even #1 on some teams.

We have not seen the last of Rod Gardner.[/QUOTE]
Am I missing something? He wasn't a solid #2 the last few years here, ran wrong routes, dropped routine catches, thouroughly earned the nickname 50/50 and 'Drop it like it's hot' and we could have used him this season?? He wasn't even good enough to be a #4 in Carolina last season [b] GOT CUT DURING THE SEASON [/b]and was only on Green Bay because every one of their WR was hurt and still didn't distinguish himself.. Are we talking about the same Rod Gardner? We're heard the last of him.

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All I'm saying is the guy has potential. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

I think he's better than every WR on our roster, with the exception of Santana.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]yea i keep bringing back old threads, but i like how i was pretty much the only one who was right on this one[/QUOTE]

You weren't exactly right. Moss had an incredible year but Patten??? Did he outperform Gardner or Coles, NO. The one thing everybody seems to be saying is that we need a 2nd reciever. I thought Gardner played well and certainly could throw the ball on a option play, but he was not just let go cause of his skills on the field. Lets just say that he was not a core skin that Gibbs likes.