Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner (Preseason 2005)

Daseal · 08-12-2005, 08:48 PM

I don't have a link, but he was talking about Rod Gardner today on Sirius NFL radio. Apparently Rod lives in Atlanta during the offseason and they work out at the same place.

First thing he made is Gardner is already with the first team and looks absolutely amazing. Secondly, he said that Gardner told him that the offense in Washington was horrible, it didn't suit his style at all, and that we didn't have a QB to get him the ball. He said "Last year I felt more like a retreiver than a receiver. The QB would skip the ball to me, I'd pick it off the ground and bring it back instead of catching it and running."

I know this is Rod Gardner hate center, but I truly believe he had a bad rap here and wasn't used correctly. He dropped some bad balls, but look at the stats when we throw his way a lot per game. When we like to toss the ball to him a lot he gets tons of yards and makes big plays. Braylon Edwards dropped a lot of balls early in games at Michigan, yet they didn't stop going to him and it showed.

I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.

mooby · 08-12-2005, 09:15 PM

where'd you go daseal, you haven't been on much lately. anyways, it seems like whenever someone gets the chance to leave washington, before they even play a game for another team they start bad mouthing us. i mean, i think there was a time when smoot was talking bad about the skins this offseason in minnesota, and we all know coles bad mouthed us. first oppurtunity they get, they take the chance to say we suck. shit, even antonio pierce talked shit about us.

Daseal · 08-12-2005, 09:42 PM

I've said in a few other threads. I wake up at about 12:30 AM, get home at 1-2 PM, sleep till 6, go back to bed at 9. So I've been reading but not much time to post. Had a little extra time this week luckily.

I was pretty sure Smoot said pretty good things about DC, but shouldn't we look at our orginization and figure there's probably a reason TO bad mouth us? One playoff run in 12 or 13 years. I don't see why Antonio Pierce talked like that because a scheme got him paid more than he's worth, he should sing the praises. I understand why criticism comes.

mooby · 08-12-2005, 10:06 PM

yeah but to bad mouth the organization when they never even did anything to you, it just shows where your heart really was while you were here. true, we haven't had a winning record in a long time, but to see these players talk shit about us first chance they get isn't something i like. they could have a little professional courtesy and keep their thoughts to themselves. we all thought antonio pierce liked it here, then he comes out in an article bad mouthing us. i remember an article where fred smoot said the same things. and now rod gardner.

JWsleep · 08-12-2005, 10:16 PM

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Gardner has a good year. My guess is that a change of place will do him a world of good--he just couldn't get it done here, and the damage was done.

I'm just glad we got something for him. Still, my guess is that he'll have a big year--he's got the skills if he can stay focused. That's a big if, I know. BUt no way he turns it around in DC at this point, so we had to deal him, IMO.

As for players bad-mouthing the skins--well, whatever. We all know Danny loves the FAs on the way in, so when folks don't get a big payday, they feel betrayed. But Gibbs is changing that, so over time we'll hear less and less of it, I guess. ANd if we win, then everyone will say how great we are. It's the way things go in the NFL and sports in general.

cpayne5 · 08-12-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I know this is Rod Gardner hate center, but I truly believe he had a bad rap here and wasn't used correctly. He dropped some bad balls, but look at the stats when we throw his way a lot per game. When we like to toss the ball to him a lot he gets tons of yards and makes big plays. Braylon Edwards dropped a lot of balls early in games at Michigan, yet they didn't stop going to him and it showed.

I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.

If you have forgotten, your boy Spurrier sure did pitch him the ball a lot, but what happened? Spurrier, the most easy going coach in the history of the game, benched him. What does that tell you?!

Coles with a toe injury is not better than anyone on the team now. Coles was a good WR before he got hurt, but after his injury, he was no where near what we paid him to be.

Gardner would be a very good player if he was consistent, but he's not. He could not be relied upon to produce when he was wearing a Redskins jersey. No ifs ands or buts about it, that's fact.

wolfeskins · 08-12-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo.

are you insane? could you not see the difference in coles ability to get open after the toe injury? coles is not better than moss or patten at this time, he is injured and it has really affected his ability to separate from defenders or make good cuts.

gardner has done nothing but stink up the field since entering the nfl. will he turn things around and play better in carolina? possibly but it doesn't really matter because he was close to pathetic in washington.

Longtimefan · 08-12-2005, 10:53 PM

What's so ironic about the players that leave for other teams and badmouth us is that when they come to us initially they have nothing but good things to say, when for whatever reason things don't work out it's all negative. Several players come to mind when I'm reminded of this. Dan Wilkerson, Jerimiah Trotter, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Indeque Kalu, Antonio Pierce, Mike Sellers, L, Coles, Rod Gardner, the list just goes on and on. When they're done playing where they are now they will say bad things about that team if they're fortunate enough to move on to still another team. It seems to be a trend for which there is no cure.

jamf · 08-12-2005, 10:54 PM

i dissagree wolfeskins.

i think coles and his toe is better than moss and his hamstring/ankle/knee.
gardner was able to compete and beat defender. his problem was concentration and offensive consistency.

what facinates me is the high praise for patten. what has patten done in his career? is being a 3rd stringer in a superbowl a big deal?
btw
that wr you call pathetic has more TD's in 4 years with 3 different coaches than patten has in his 8 year career and he has 600 less yards than patten in half the time.

gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.

Fooz · 08-12-2005, 11:14 PM

Well, I would like to thank the Redskins for giving up Rod Gardner...From what I saw at the Panthers training camp...Rod Gardner looked awesome. I really feel he is gonna help out the Panthers a lot. Now, he won't be as good as Smith but not to many are

. That is if we can stay away from the injury bug that plagued us last year.

BTW wish you guys a great season this year. Can't wait to see the Redskins and Panthers play Saturday night...I know it is preseason but it's still Football.

gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.[/QUOTE]

steveo395 · 08-12-2005, 11:27 PM

but neither of them wanted to be here, so they probably would have played even worse than last year if they stayed. We needed to get rid of both of them and I'm glad we did. I'm happy with a 3-time super bowl winner and a legitamite deep threat then "drop it like its hot" and "the toe."

monk81 · 08-13-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fooz

Well, I would like to thank the Redskins for giving up Rod Gardner...From what I saw at the Panthers training camp...Rod Gardner looked awesome. I really feel he is gonna help out the Panthers a lot. Now, he won't be as good as Smith but not to many are

. That is if we can stay away from the injury bug that plagued us last year.

BTW wish you guys a great season this year. Can't wait to see the Redskins and Panthers play Saturday night...I know it is preseason but it's still Football.

gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage.

patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.

[/QUOTE]

Hello Fooz welcome to the boards. Just wait until you are at a key point in the game and Gardner starts dropping passes......then let us know how much you like him

Good Luck to the Panthers this year too.........I like your coach, and your QB Jake. I liked Stephen Davis but the guy couldn't stay healthy when he was a Skin and STILL can't for the Panthers.......can't wait for the game.........

BigSKINBauer · 08-13-2005, 01:22 AM

I believe that coles got hurt week 3 of the season before this past one here are how his stats looked
Week 1 106
Week 2 180
Week 3 105
NOW HE GETS HURT
Week 4 62
Week 5 60
Week 6 58
WEEK 7 17!!!
in fact the rest of the year he had 1 game OVER 100 yards

First 3 weeks without injury 3 games over 100 yards. Next 29 games 2 games over 100 yards
Since yards are not everything
in that first game he averaged 21.2 yards a catch after that he only had 1 game with more YPC the rest of his redskin career

Now i am just stating facts and if you read the top of that and inferred that i was saying coles was doing worse after his injury........ well then you just agreed that coles has done worse after his injury because i never said coles was doing worse and you came to that conclusion on your own
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag.../gamelogs/2003

EternalEnigma21 · 08-13-2005, 02:09 AM

Honestly I think that gardner is a decent #3 reciever, but some of the fans hyping him up to be better than moose are delusional. I have no idea what the hell he will do in NC and niether does anyone else. Inconsistancy = unpredictability. And no one here, wether they support the guy or not, can say that he was consistantly productive, or even consistantly adequate for that matter.

As far as the history of players leaving the team and bitching about us, you're gonna get that with a losing team, but just look at the facts. We've brought in winning coaches and great talent to a team with a rich tradition in the sport. We've got an owner (who by the way isn't exactly losing money on our losing seasons) who will shell out any amount of money to bring in the players/coaches to produce wins. And then you've got the players. Draftees with high hopes and FA's promised big checks. Since we started the downward spiral here, everyone has been blaming the other guy. Players can't exactly go out and say its their fault they lose, cause then they're out of a job. Coaches can't exactly blame themselves (although they can shovel the shit downhill a bit). And the owner is the owner... and the owner is never at fault.

Since all this came about there's been only one person to come in and actually take some fucking responsibility when it comes to losing and that's our current head coach. Spurrier ran off at the mouth about Snyder after he left... and if i'm not mistaken shottenheimer did so as well. (don't know about turner). And I think that's where the winning mentality has to start. You have to hold yourself responsible for what's going on around you and take responsiblity to fix it if its not working.

JWsleep · 08-13-2005, 02:12 AM

Good post, cantthetuna! I agree.

08-12-2005, 08:48 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner (Preseason 2005) I don't have a link, but he was talking about Rod Gardner today on Sirius NFL radio. Apparently Rod lives in Atlanta during the offseason and they work out at the same place. First thing he made is Gardner is already with the first team and looks absolutely amazing. Secondly, he said that Gardner told him that the offense in Washington was horrible, it didn't suit his style at all, and that we didn't have a QB to get him the ball. He said "Last year I felt more like a retreiver than a receiver. The QB would skip the ball to me, I'd pick it off the ground and bring it back instead of catching it and running." I know this is Rod Gardner hate center, but I truly believe he had a bad rap here and wasn't used correctly. He dropped some bad balls, but look at the stats when we throw his way a lot per game. When we like to toss the ball to him a lot he gets tons of yards and makes big plays. Braylon Edwards dropped a lot of balls early in games at Michigan, yet they didn't stop going to him and it showed. I'm curious to see what our two old receivers do. I think Coles is far better, even with a toe injury, than anyone we have on our roster. I think Gardner, while he makes some mistakes, is much better than fans on this board want to admit. We could have done worse for a WR duo. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-12-2005, 09:15 PM	#2
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. where'd you go daseal, you haven't been on much lately. anyways, it seems like whenever someone gets the chance to leave washington, before they even play a game for another team they start bad mouthing us. i mean, i think there was a time when smoot was talking bad about the skins this offseason in minnesota, and we all know coles bad mouthed us. first oppurtunity they get, they take the chance to say we suck. shit, even antonio pierce talked shit about us.

08-12-2005, 10:06 PM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. yeah but to bad mouth the organization when they never even did anything to you, it just shows where your heart really was while you were here. true, we haven't had a winning record in a long time, but to see these players talk shit about us first chance they get isn't something i like. they could have a little professional courtesy and keep their thoughts to themselves. we all thought antonio pierce liked it here, then he comes out in an article bad mouthing us. i remember an article where fred smoot said the same things. and now rod gardner.

08-12-2005, 10:16 PM	#5
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Gardner has a good year. My guess is that a change of place will do him a world of good--he just couldn't get it done here, and the damage was done. I'm just glad we got something for him. Still, my guess is that he'll have a big year--he's got the skills if he can stay focused. That's a big if, I know. BUt no way he turns it around in DC at this point, so we had to deal him, IMO. As for players bad-mouthing the skins--well, whatever. We all know Danny loves the FAs on the way in, so when folks don't get a big payday, they feel betrayed. But Gibbs is changing that, so over time we'll hear less and less of it, I guess. ANd if we win, then everyone will say how great we are. It's the way things go in the NFL and sports in general. __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-12-2005, 10:53 PM	#8
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. What's so ironic about the players that leave for other teams and badmouth us is that when they come to us initially they have nothing but good things to say, when for whatever reason things don't work out it's all negative. Several players come to mind when I'm reminded of this. Dan Wilkerson, Jerimiah Trotter, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Indeque Kalu, Antonio Pierce, Mike Sellers, L, Coles, Rod Gardner, the list just goes on and on. When they're done playing where they are now they will say bad things about that team if they're fortunate enough to move on to still another team. It seems to be a trend for which there is no cure.

08-12-2005, 09:42 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. I've said in a few other threads. I wake up at about 12:30 AM, get home at 1-2 PM, sleep till 6, go back to bed at 9. So I've been reading but not much time to post. Had a little extra time this week luckily. I was pretty sure Smoot said pretty good things about DC, but shouldn't we look at our orginization and figure there's probably a reason TO bad mouth us? One playoff run in 12 or 13 years. I don't see why Antonio Pierce talked like that because a scheme got him paid more than he's worth, he should sing the praises. I understand why criticism comes. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-12-2005, 10:54 PM	#9
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,319	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. i dissagree wolfeskins. i think coles and his toe is better than moss and his hamstring/ankle/knee. gardner was able to compete and beat defender. his problem was concentration and offensive consistency. what facinates me is the high praise for patten. what has patten done in his career? is being a 3rd stringer in a superbowl a big deal? btw that wr you call pathetic has more TD's in 4 years with 3 different coaches than patten has in his 8 year career and he has 600 less yards than patten in half the time. gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage. patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.

08-12-2005, 11:14 PM	#10
Fooz Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. Well, I would like to thank the Redskins for giving up Rod Gardner...From what I saw at the Panthers training camp...Rod Gardner looked awesome. I really feel he is gonna help out the Panthers a lot. Now, he won't be as good as Smith but not to many are . That is if we can stay away from the injury bug that plagued us last year. BTW wish you guys a great season this year. Can't wait to see the Redskins and Panthers play Saturday night...I know it is preseason but it's still Football. gardner has and will be a 1000 yard receiver. i wish him well, btw i agree with the comments he made. the offence was horrible, the QB's are garbage. patten is a scrub. moss is delicate. coles is better than they are.[/QUOTE]

08-12-2005, 11:27 PM	#11
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. but neither of them wanted to be here, so they probably would have played even worse than last year if they stayed. We needed to get rid of both of them and I'm glad we did. I'm happy with a 3-time super bowl winner and a legitamite deep threat then "drop it like its hot" and "the toe."

08-13-2005, 01:22 AM	#13
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. I believe that coles got hurt week 3 of the season before this past one here are how his stats looked Week 1 106 Week 2 180 Week 3 105 NOW HE GETS HURT Week 4 62 Week 5 60 Week 6 58 WEEK 7 17!!! in fact the rest of the year he had 1 game OVER 100 yards First 3 weeks without injury 3 games over 100 yards. Next 29 games 2 games over 100 yards Since yards are not everything in that first game he averaged 21.2 yards a catch after that he only had 1 game with more YPC the rest of his redskin career Now i am just stating facts and if you read the top of that and inferred that i was saying coles was doing worse after his injury........ well then you just agreed that coles has done worse after his injury because i never said coles was doing worse and you came to that conclusion on your own http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag.../gamelogs/2003

08-13-2005, 02:09 AM	#14
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. Honestly I think that gardner is a decent #3 reciever, but some of the fans hyping him up to be better than moose are delusional. I have no idea what the hell he will do in NC and niether does anyone else. Inconsistancy = unpredictability. And no one here, wether they support the guy or not, can say that he was consistantly productive, or even consistantly adequate for that matter. As far as the history of players leaving the team and bitching about us, you're gonna get that with a losing team, but just look at the facts. We've brought in winning coaches and great talent to a team with a rich tradition in the sport. We've got an owner (who by the way isn't exactly losing money on our losing seasons) who will shell out any amount of money to bring in the players/coaches to produce wins. And then you've got the players. Draftees with high hopes and FA's promised big checks. Since we started the downward spiral here, everyone has been blaming the other guy. Players can't exactly go out and say its their fault they lose, cause then they're out of a job. Coaches can't exactly blame themselves (although they can shovel the shit downhill a bit). And the owner is the owner... and the owner is never at fault. Since all this came about there's been only one person to come in and actually take some fucking responsibility when it comes to losing and that's our current head coach. Spurrier ran off at the mouth about Snyder after he left... and if i'm not mistaken shottenheimer did so as well. (don't know about turner). And I think that's where the winning mentality has to start. You have to hold yourself responsible for what's going on around you and take responsiblity to fix it if its not working.

08-13-2005, 02:12 AM	#15
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: Shannon Sharpe on Rod Gardner. Good post, cantthetuna! I agree. __________________ Hail from Houston!

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