Santana Moss Personal Foul
 

What was the call here?
Didn't see him head butt, kick the pylon or take his helmet off!
But I didn't see any real reason he was compaining about non calls.
Guess he got flagged for mouthing off?

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it was definitly for complaining.it was 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct.i thought for sure they were going to throw him out.

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Can't throw him out for bitching. You can call a 15 yarder on him though. I think we should see more of this league wide if you're calling it on Moss. Lotsa guys bitch, but there's also a league tendency to throw the late flag if a WR is bitching. Don't fault Moss for this penalty as he was doing what most competitive players do. Try to make an influence on the game.

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it might have had to do with the select words he was using.i would think certain words are off limits

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[QUOTE=dmek25]it might have had to do with the select words he was using.i would think certain words are off limits[/QUOTE]
Well that's crap. I think it is ridiculous that certain words would be not allowed. I also think it is ridiculous that the flag was called in the first place. He wasn't being overly demonstrative and embarrassing the ref so keep the flag in your pocket dumbass and do your job. Moss hasn't made a point to be confrontational with refs before so something leads me to believe that he felt there were calls not being made. Refs need to know when they are missing calls. We of all fans should know that by now.

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He was pointing at the ref and yelling. He deserved the penelty.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]He was pointing at the ref and yelling. He deserved the penelty.[/QUOTE]
For what? Doing what a vast amount of other players do? I am not saying it shouldn't be a penalty in theory. I am saying that it shouldn't be a penalty all of a sudden when it is basically allowed on a weekly basis by dozens of other players. Somehow the refs always find ways to screw us! Is it just me?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Well that's crap. I think it is ridiculous that certain words would be not allowed.[/QUOTE]

I think he means certain swear words will get you a flag. There's nothing wrong with that - it's perfectly reasonable. You can complain, but you have to be (somewhat) respectful.

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Moss was being a bone-head during that stretch of the game. Just spillover frustration from not getting to catch too many balls or make too many plays over the last 3 games. He deserved the flag, plain and simple. You can argue or complain to the refs, but berating them?

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To me, it didn't look like what most receivers do. Most receivers are like come on man, he was pushing me! Santana MOss was pointing and looking like he was pretty vicious. While none of us knows, thats just what it looked like to me.

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He must have had some really choice words for the refs to bring on a 15-yard penalty.

He needed to blow off some steam, not a big deal since Hall nailed the FG anyway, but if he didn't...

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a little frustration during that stretch of the game,no big deal.if anyone on this team deserves some leeway,its moss

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Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]They do review how the Ref's call games and the ones that do a better jod of making the calls or not making the calls gat to ref the bigger games. Does anyone know how often refs get fired or disciplined for bad play calling or is that an NFL secret.

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Part of the problem is that these guys do this part time - they all have real jobs. There is just too much money at stake with these games not to have full time refs. What's another $15 million or so to pay these guys $100k per year? You could have 20 8-man crews and each club would be out $500k.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
That's the biggest problem. There is no apparent accountability. It seems like the NFL just has no desire the try and help these guys make the right initial calls. There are hundreds of calls/no-calls in a game. Heck there are 10 or so on every play so I don't expect them to be perfect. But I do expect them to at least give the impression that they are working to make these refs better. In this league one play can change an entire season. One play can mean the difference between playoffs and not. In the other major sports there are more calls to be made and that reduces the effect of a single call/no-call on a season. In football when a call loses a game for you it costs you 1/16th of your season. That'd be like one missed called in a baseball game losing you 10 games! Or 5 in basketball or hockey. I actually wonder whether the issue is more with the refs or whether the rule book is simply too complicated or perhaps too insufficient to govern games. It seems like there is little common sense to some rules. I am just tired of thinking "well if we had done this in the game or if they had been able to make this happen or IF THE REFS HADN'T blown this call then we probably would have won." That last part needs to get reduced.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]They do review how the Ref's call games and the ones that do a better jod of making the calls or not making the calls gat to ref the bigger games. Does anyone know how often refs get fired or disciplined for bad play calling or is that an NFL secret.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it is policy to make that information public except in extreme cases like the initial tuck rule game where the ref made the correct ruling and they backed him up. Basically only in situations where they need to publically support a call or apologize for public relations reasons.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I don't think it is policy to make that information public except in extreme cases like the initial tuck rule game where the ref made the correct ruling and they backed him up. Basically only in situations where they need to publically support a call or apologize for public relations reasons.[/QUOTE]

Where was our apology for miscalling Alstott's 2 point conversion in the TB game? :mad:

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Where was our apology for miscalling Alstott's 2 point conversion in the TB game? :mad:[/QUOTE]
Good question. Or last year's Packers game. Or the fumble by Jordan on the goal line in the Raider's game. Or the botched off side call in the in the TB game. Of the botched calls in Philly last year. Just to name a few. We have had quite a number of calls that had big negative impacts against us in the last two years. It's probably because we are losing so many close games so these missed calls get magnified to us but it seems like we have a hex or something on us when it comes to refs. It is tiresome.

They apparently don't feel the need to offer apologies to the Skins and their fans. Makes you wonder why.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Or the botched off side call in the in the TB game. Of the botched calls in Philly last year. Just to name a few. We have had quite a number of calls that had big negative impacts against us in the last two years. It's probably because we are losing so many close games so these missed calls get magnified to us but it seems like we have a hex or something on us when it comes to refs. It is tiresome.[/quote]

Don't forget the bad forced-out call against us in the TB game!

[QUOTE=FRPLG]They apparently don't feel the need to offer apologies to the Skins and their fans. Makes you wonder why.[/QUOTE]

It really does - I picked the Alstott call because there is no disputing that it cost us the game. However, you are right that we just don't seem to get any respect from the league.

[B][conspiracytheory][/B]Perhaps the league resents Snyder's financial success with the Skins?[B][/conspiracytheory][/B]

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The pencil-necked geek of a referee yesterday made some really bad calls. The 15 yard penalty on Santana was one. The 15 yard personal foul facemask on Sean Taylor was another. The holding call on Samuels was another BS call. Just to name a few.

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the redskins might have gotten an apology but i think league rules prohibit this being public info.just ask seattle

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The referees, as they do every week in every game around the league, made some mistakes.

However, I propose that we enjoy our win and don't let the refs spoil this day. It's nice to finally not let the referees' bad calls decide the outcome of a game for us.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]the redskins might have gotten an apology but i think league rules prohibit this being public info.just ask seattle[/QUOTE]

That seems like a silly rule. What's the point of an apology if it's not public? The call was public, so the apology should be as well!

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He probably swore at the ref hence the penalty.

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[QUOTE=saden1]He probably swore at the ref hence the penalty.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I dont have a huge problem with it...its one thing to complain to the ref, but Santana was pretty overheated. All in all I think not a huge deal. And at least he didnt get a personal foul for "An unnatural act not common to the game" which is certainly my all time favorite penalty call!

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My favorite cal was in a skins game from the 80's, the ref said he's giving him the business down there.It was funny

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in the chat room before the flag was thrown i said moss shut the hell up and right then the ref threw a flag. he deserved it, i am very homertastic and i do think he deserved that penalty. He went absolutly insane, justified it may have been but damn. He is lucky it didn't cost us the FG or i would be completely pissed at him. He could get a lot done by telling the ref look. He wasn't gonna change anything because this isn't basketball. The refs don't say well i messed up here so i will help them out there as they do in the NBA. He accomplished nothing but making an ass out of himself. I am glad he really cares so much but he should have shut his mouth

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[quote]The 15 yard personal foul facemask on Sean Taylor was another.[/quote]

I understand people questioning the Moss one, but the ST facemask was a pretty bad facemask. I can't see that getting an apology.

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I think every call against the redskins all season long are part of a league-wide conspiricy against the skins. If it wasnt for the refs the skins would be 12-0.

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My guess is Moss used a few choice words like....
Blind, Stupid, Incompetent, Ram Fan Referee

Then again one good drop of the F' BOMB can get the same affect.

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[QUOTE=irish]I think every call against the redskins all season long are part of a league-wide conspiricy against the skins. If it wasnt for the refs the skins would be 12-0.[/QUOTE]

At [B]least[/B] 12-0!
:lol:

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I love his tude! He is one tough SOB that takes blocking as serious as catching. He should be named to te Pro Bowl, Lavernius who????????

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I understand people questioning the Moss one, but the ST facemask was a pretty bad facemask. I can't see that getting an apology.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention he (ST) also got the facemask on the sack he made (and didn't get called). Fitzpatrick new it...

It's good to see people get fired up out there, just try to keep it from hurting the team.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Not to mention he (ST) also got the facemask on the sack he made (and didn't get called). Fitzpatrick new it...

It's good to see people get fired up out there, just try to keep it from hurting the team.[/QUOTE]The way Taylor plays one of these days he going to get a facemask and the heads coming off with the helmet.

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Santana was rightly pissed about the ref missing that OBVIOUS illegal contact. But he's lucky Hall made that fieldgoal and things went well, because that could have really cost us. Remember--most of our games are settled by 3 points or less!

As for the refs, it's a broken record thing. But nothing much will change until the league hires the refs full-time. I have yet to hear the reason that the NFL does not do this, given how much money they make, and how important good officiating is.

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Can't throw him out for bitching. You can call a 15 yarder on him though. I think we should see more of this league wide if you're calling it on Moss. Lotsa guys bitch, but there's also a league tendency to throw the late flag if a WR is bitching. Don't fault Moss for this penalty as he was doing what most competitive players do. Try to make an influence on the game.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the Ravens-Lions game earlier this year? Suggs got up and he was pretty pissed off. Looked like he wanted to hit an official, but never cocked back or anything. He just ran up to the official to argue and got ejected because the ref said, "you don't come at with malice in your eyes...he looked like he wanted to do harm to me, so he got the gate."

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Santana never got close to an official just talked smack. Guess he mentioned that the guys daughter was a whore and his wife was sleeping with Marv Albert or maybe he said Brian Baldinger. One of which has to be true for the way he was flagged. Thank god this penalty had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but at this point in the season I'd have to halfway agree with IRISH. We'd be close to 11-1 with calls in our favor. Let's CRUSH the CARDS!!! GO SKINS!!!

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]As for the refs, it's a broken record thing. But nothing much will change until the league hires the refs full-time. I have yet to hear the reason that the NFL does not do this, given how much money they make, and how important good officiating is.[/QUOTE]
It has been suggested that the reason they avoid making the positions full time is that it would allow the officials to unionize and present yet another labor group with which to have issues. Can you imagine if they unionized and ended up striking one season? The refs are bad but I can't imagine what the scabs would be like.

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From being there, I will say that there was illegal contact on two consecutive plays. He had already complained about the first one. When they did it again and the refs didn't call it, he really got up in one of the ref's face and really let him have it. I would say he probably deserved it (the penalty). I would also say that the ref he was yelling at should be fired for excessive sucking.