Santana Moss Personal Foul

Luxorreb · 12-05-2005, 06:32 AM

What was the call here?
Didn't see him head butt, kick the pylon or take his helmet off!
But I didn't see any real reason he was compaining about non calls.
Guess he got flagged for mouthing off?

dmek25 · 12-05-2005, 07:08 AM

it was definitly for complaining.it was 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct.i thought for sure they were going to throw him out.

Luxorreb · 12-05-2005, 07:17 AM

Can't throw him out for bitching. You can call a 15 yarder on him though. I think we should see more of this league wide if you're calling it on Moss. Lotsa guys bitch, but there's also a league tendency to throw the late flag if a WR is bitching. Don't fault Moss for this penalty as he was doing what most competitive players do. Try to make an influence on the game.

dmek25 · 12-05-2005, 08:24 AM

it might have had to do with the select words he was using.i would think certain words are off limits

FRPLG · 12-05-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

it might have had to do with the select words he was using.i would think certain words are off limits

Well that's crap. I think it is ridiculous that certain words would be not allowed. I also think it is ridiculous that the flag was called in the first place. He wasn't being overly demonstrative and embarrassing the ref so keep the flag in your pocket dumbass and do your job. Moss hasn't made a point to be confrontational with refs before so something leads me to believe that he felt there were calls not being made. Refs need to know when they are missing calls. We of all fans should know that by now.

Daseal · 12-05-2005, 10:04 AM

He was pointing at the ref and yelling. He deserved the penelty.

FRPLG · 12-05-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

He was pointing at the ref and yelling. He deserved the penelty.

For what? Doing what a vast amount of other players do? I am not saying it shouldn't be a penalty in theory. I am saying that it shouldn't be a penalty all of a sudden when it is basically allowed on a weekly basis by dozens of other players. Somehow the refs always find ways to screw us! Is it just me?

onlydarksets · 12-05-2005, 10:13 AM

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Well that's crap. I think it is ridiculous that certain words would be not allowed.

I think he means certain swear words will get you a flag. There's nothing wrong with that - it's perfectly reasonable. You can complain, but you have to be (somewhat) respectful.

hurrykaine · 12-05-2005, 10:19 AM

Moss was being a bone-head during that stretch of the game. Just spillover frustration from not getting to catch too many balls or make too many plays over the last 3 games. He deserved the flag, plain and simple. You can argue or complain to the refs, but berating them?

Daseal · 12-05-2005, 10:20 AM

To me, it didn't look like what most receivers do. Most receivers are like come on man, he was pushing me! Santana MOss was pointing and looking like he was pretty vicious. While none of us knows, thats just what it looked like to me.

MTK · 12-05-2005, 10:33 AM

He must have had some really choice words for the refs to bring on a 15-yard penalty.

He needed to blow off some steam, not a big deal since Hall nailed the FG anyway, but if he didn't...

dmek25 · 12-05-2005, 10:50 AM

a little frustration during that stretch of the game,no big deal.if anyone on this team deserves some leeway,its moss

56FAN · 12-05-2005, 10:54 AM

Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.

firstdown · 12-05-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 56FAN

Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.

They do review how the Ref's call games and the ones that do a better jod of making the calls or not making the calls gat to ref the bigger games. Does anyone know how often refs get fired or disciplined for bad play calling or is that an NFL secret.

onlydarksets · 12-05-2005, 11:06 AM

Part of the problem is that these guys do this part time - they all have real jobs. There is just too much money at stake with these games not to have full time refs. What's another $15 million or so to pay these guys $100k per year? You could have 20 8-man crews and each club would be out $500k.

12-05-2005, 06:32 AM	#1
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Santana Moss Personal Foul What was the call here? Didn't see him head butt, kick the pylon or take his helmet off! But I didn't see any real reason he was compaining about non calls. Guess he got flagged for mouthing off? __________________ ^21^

12-05-2005, 07:08 AM	#2
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul it was definitly for complaining.it was 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct.i thought for sure they were going to throw him out.

12-05-2005, 07:17 AM	#3
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul Can't throw him out for bitching. You can call a 15 yarder on him though. I think we should see more of this league wide if you're calling it on Moss. Lotsa guys bitch, but there's also a league tendency to throw the late flag if a WR is bitching. Don't fault Moss for this penalty as he was doing what most competitive players do. Try to make an influence on the game. __________________ ^21^

12-05-2005, 08:24 AM	#4
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul it might have had to do with the select words he was using.i would think certain words are off limits

12-05-2005, 10:04 AM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul He was pointing at the ref and yelling. He deserved the penelty. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-05-2005, 10:19 AM	#9
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 51 Posts: 762	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul Moss was being a bone-head during that stretch of the game. Just spillover frustration from not getting to catch too many balls or make too many plays over the last 3 games. He deserved the flag, plain and simple. You can argue or complain to the refs, but berating them?

12-05-2005, 10:20 AM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul To me, it didn't look like what most receivers do. Most receivers are like come on man, he was pushing me! Santana MOss was pointing and looking like he was pretty vicious. While none of us knows, thats just what it looked like to me. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-05-2005, 10:33 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul He must have had some really choice words for the refs to bring on a 15-yard penalty. He needed to blow off some steam, not a big deal since Hall nailed the FG anyway, but if he didn't...

12-05-2005, 10:50 AM	#12
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul a little frustration during that stretch of the game,no big deal.if anyone on this team deserves some leeway,its moss

12-05-2005, 10:54 AM	#13
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.

12-05-2005, 11:06 AM	#15
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Santana Moss Personal Foul Part of the problem is that these guys do this part time - they all have real jobs. There is just too much money at stake with these games not to have full time refs. What's another $15 million or so to pay these guys $100k per year? You could have 20 8-man crews and each club would be out $500k.

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