Portis Overrated? Agree or Disagree
 

Clinton Portis is one of the most overrated players in the NFL as he has one of the wealthiest contracts for a running back. He is not consistent and we can not rely on him in third down situations. Pay attention to the Redskins play calling, you will notice that our drives often end when we start giving him the ball. If he can't find yards in the first quarter, then he most likely won't find yards for the whole game. Opponents have commented on the size of our offensive line and their play so I do not believe that it is their falt. Sometimes in the NFL a running back must find a way to make something out of nothing, the great ones do. This could be why we have problems finishing games. He never seems to produce when it matters, such as LT did in the forth quarter and in overtime against our then top 10 defense. "I know I am not the only one who feels this way, Ask former Redskin Brian Mitchell."

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Is this a joke? My god man, how is it that a player that has had 1000+ yards is four season be overrated (and probably 1300+ yards per season)?

Sure, he isn't getting the touch downs and the 3rd down carries but you think that could be the coaching staff's or O-Line's fault?

About the only running backs I'd take over him are Alexander or Tomlinson.

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BS to that!
Portis has produced this season and last season and shit every season in the NFL. 4 seasons for over 1000 yds; up there with the best of them. He has played through injury and plays 100% on non Portis plays as well. He's got TD's and touches... Wouldn't consider him a problem or overrated player at this point. Maybe you should give Sally Jenkins a shout!

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Is the OP by Chance not a Skins fan? ;)

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Here we go again... :rolleyes:

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Dude you are sadly mistaken. He is on the verge of having the most yards in one season by any Redskin back. What else could you ask for in a back?

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He may not be LT but he is definatly ONE of the top Five RBs in the League today..

The man is a machine and i hope he is here in DC for many years to come, and if for some reason doesnt break the franchise record this year. I would be willing to bet he will before he leaves.

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Don't forget about his blocking and receiving? I'd be shocked if there is a much better blocking RB in the league with more than 1000 yards right now.

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I think the op is misinformed. CP is about to break the single season rushing record of Stephen Davis but he is overrated?? Uh.....ok. :yeahright

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]Clinton Portis is one of the most overrated players in the NFL as he has one of the wealthiest contracts for a running back. He is not consistent and we can not rely on him in third down situations. Pay attention to the Redskins play calling, you will notice that our drives often end when we start giving him the ball. If he can't find yards in the first quarter, then he most likely won't find yards for the whole game. Opponents have commented on the size of our offensive line and their play so I do not believe that it is their falt. Sometimes in the NFL a running back must find a way to make something out of nothing, the great ones do. This could be why we have problems finishing games. He never seems to produce when it matters, such as LT did in the forth quarter and in overtime against our then top 10 defense. "I know I am not the only one who feels this way, Ask former Redskin Brian Mitchell."[/QUOTE]
i am bent by giving the traditional smiley welcoming or the welcomeing of this:bs:


:welcome: :woot: :welcome:

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]Clinton Portis is one of the most overrated players in the NFL as he has one of the wealthiest contracts for a running back. He is not consistent and we can not rely on him in third down situations. Pay attention to the Redskins play calling, you will notice that our drives often end when we start giving him the ball. If he can't find yards in the first quarter, then he most likely won't find yards for the whole game. Opponents have commented on the size of our offensive line and their play so I do not believe that it is their falt. Sometimes in the NFL a running back must find a way to make something out of nothing, the great ones do. This could be why we have problems finishing games. He never seems to produce when it matters, such as LT did in the forth quarter and in overtime against our then top 10 defense. "I know I am not the only one who feels this way, Ask former Redskin Brian Mitchell."[/QUOTE]


This is got to be the most illinformed post of crap I have ever read. What's your next post going to be about, How Joe Gibbs is ruining the Redskins and how he should have never come back? Go read the Joe Bugel Chat on Redskins.com if you would like some insight on our running game. :spank:

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Portis has 1,079 yards this season, becoming only the ninth rusher in league history to gain at least 1,000 yards in each of his first four seasons.

YES HE SUCKS ASS...

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Skins rush for over 200 against Arizona.

:woot: :dallas:

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]Clinton Portis is one of the most overrated players in the NFL as he has one of the wealthiest contracts for a running back. He is not consistent and we can not rely on him in third down situations. Pay attention to the Redskins play calling, you will notice that our drives often end when we start giving him the ball. If he can't find yards in the first quarter, then he most likely won't find yards for the whole game. Opponents have commented on the size of our offensive line and their play so I do not believe that it is their falt. Sometimes in the NFL a running back must find a way to make something out of nothing, the great ones do. This could be why we have problems finishing games. He never seems to produce when it matters, such as LT did in the forth quarter and in overtime against our then top 10 defense. "I know I am not the only one who feels this way, Ask former Redskin Brian Mitchell."[/QUOTE]

Wow I guess you wanted to come on the site with a BANG! Put your emotions aside and look at the numbers.

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The question isn't whether Portis is overrated, the answer is simple. Portis in certain situations of the big games that you refer to could have been given a better play because despite not getting the first down he still rushed for over one hundred yards against those teams that should have shut him down. He started slow this year in TD. But know is tied with several RBs with 7. So He's getting stronger and stronger every week.

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I still think Portis is a system back, however I also don't think thats a bad thing. Last week we ran OUTSIDE against the Rams a lot. If we keep that trend up, big things could happen for our running game.

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pretty much every bad outing that clinton portis has had over the last two seasons has been a direct result of bad offensive line play or bad play calling. clinton portis is easily one of the top five rbs in the nfl. i think the more that portis adapts to gibbs system and gibbs adapts to clintons running style the better he will be. there has already been improvement this year over last year.

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I figured that many would be offended, our running game seems to excel when we run outside. I am not questioning Clinton's ability because he is one of the better athletes in the league. Many of you said to look at his stats, but Portis is not satisfied with his stats himself. What will it take for Gibbs to realize that Portis is not Riggins.
"We could have kept Stephen Davis for that"

Each player is different and it's up to a coach to find a players stregnth and utilize it to the best of his advantage.
Don't forget "He's no Priest Holmes" Ray Lewis

"Being optimistic each year is what makes us one of the wealthiest franchises in sports, unfortunately it does'nt win games or get you into the playoffs", Over the past decade or so our win total is down there with teams like the Bengals and the Saints.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]I figured that many would be offended, our running game seems to excel when we run outside. [b]I am not questioning Clinton's ability because he is one of the better athletes in the league.[/b] Many of you said to look at his stats, but Portis is not satisfied with his stats himself. What will it take for Gibbs to realize that Portis is not Riggins.
"We could have kept Stephen Davis for that"

Each player is different and it's up to a coach to find a players stregnth and utilize it to the best of his advantage.
Don't forget "He's no Priest Holmes" Ray Lewis

"Being optimistic each year is what makes us one of the wealthiest franchises in sports, unfortunately it does'nt win games or get you into the playoffs", Over the past decade or so our win total is down there with teams like the Bengals and the Saints.[/QUOTE]
you just said portis was overrated

and what does not winning in the last ten years have anything to do with portis

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Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses.

I brought up the fact that we have been loosing for a while to show how being optimistic each year will not result in wins. It is about time to be critical, changes won't be made if we keep patting the team on their backs after every loosing season.

The NFL is a business and owners are only interested in pleasing the fans. We can not continue to let this franchise think that we are pleased if we plan on returning to the top.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses.

I brought up the fact that we have been loosing for a while to show how being optimistic each year will not result in wins. It is about time to be critical, changes won't be made if we keep patting the team on their backs after every loosing season.[/QUOTE]
the fans being optimistic doesn't change what the coaching staff is going to do in the offseason

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[quote]Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses. [/quote]
Is Gibbs a system coach? Shouldn't he be able to adapt to different offensive personel instead of running Portis into a pile 30 times a game? This can work both ways.

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Why do you quote yourself?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Is Gibbs a system coach? Shouldn't he be able to adapt to different offensive personel instead of running Portis into a pile 30 times a game? This can work both ways.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, it's Joe Gibbs's job to adapt to Clinton Portis, not the other way around. Plenty of backs have left teams where they struggled and have had success. Do you question Priest Holmes? He only had one mediocre season in Baltimore, but he's been great in KC. That would tell me that that system fits him better. What about Michael Pittman? He was nothing as a Cardinal and then went to the Bucs and was a starting halfback on the team that won the Super Bowl. It works for tons of players in the NFL. This is a stupid arguement.

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The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.[/QUOTE]
Hey, Eeyore.

Tatum Bell is doing about 2/3 of the things Portis did in Denver. Namely, he is carrying less of a load than Portis did. Clinton averages 270 carries in his Denver career - Bell is looking at about 160 carries this year. Portis knocked Mike Anderson - Denver's #1 RB - out of the lineup. Bell is putting up great numbers, he certainly killed us, but it's a lot easier to run for a great average if you aren't carrying the load.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.[/QUOTE]

First of all, Tatum Bell can't even crack the starting lineup in Denver and using the fact that Portis was second round pick is flat out retarded.

Brett Favre was a second round pick, there's not many first rounders I would take over him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, do we need to get into that? Would you try to discredit Tom Brady because he was picked late? Do you think the Pats should give up on him now because he was picked so late? Give me a break.

As for your boy Tatum Bell, he's got all of 686 yards this season. Wow, that's huge. The worst season Clinton ever had in Denver was 1508 yards, that's not even in the same damn ballpark. I don't think Tatum should make reservatioins in Hawaii, just yet.

And, oh by the way, Champ Bailey didn't want to come back to the Redskins. He wasn't going to play another down for this team. He had decided that before we traded him. He didn't want to be here and he wasn't going to be here, so why does everyone make a big deal about the fact that we traded him and a second round pick for Portis? Who cares? We essentially traded a first round pick for Coles, I don't hear that getting rehashed every damn week.

Why does it matter what he would have been making in Denver? That's why he's not there any more. He decided he should be paid more and they decided that they wouldn't pay him. Kinda like what happened with Champ here.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]First of all, Tatum Bell can't even crack the starting lineup in Denver and using the fact that Portis was second round pick is flat out retarded.

Brett Favre was a second round pick, there's not many first rounders I would take over him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, do we need to get into that? Would you try to discredit Tom Brady because he was picked late? Do you think the Pats should give up on him now because he was picked so late? Give me a break.

As for your boy Tatum Bell, he's got all of 686 yards this season. Wow, that's huge. The worst season Clinton ever had in Denver was 1508 yards, that's not even in the same damn ballpark. I don't think Tatum should make reservatioins in Hawaii, just yet.

And, oh by the way, Champ Bailey didn't want to come back to the Redskins. He wasn't going to play another down for this team. He had decided that before we traded him. He didn't want to be here and he wasn't going to be here, so why does everyone make a big deal about the fact that we traded him and a second round pick for Portis? Who cares? We essentially traded a first round pick for Coles, I don't hear that getting rehashed every damn week.

Why does it matter what he would have been making in Denver? That's why he's not there any more. He decided he should be paid more and they decided that they wouldn't pay him. Kinda like what happened with Champ here.[/QUOTE]
What did Tatum Bell do against us? If he was given a whole season in Denver his numbers would more than double.
I'm guessing you thought the world of Trung Canidate too.

I wonder why Champ wanted out

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tatum bell was a second round pick too and he doesn't even compare to portis

not only is portis easily the better runner, he's a good receiver and one of the best blockers in the league

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]What did Tatum Bell do against us? If he was given a whole season in Denver his numbers would more than double.
I'm guessing you thought the world of Trung Canidate too.

I wonder why Champ wanted out[/QUOTE]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Tatum Bell compares more to Trung Candidate than Clinton Portis does. I could care less what Tatum Bell did to us. That doesn't make him a good runner. That post doesn't even make sense.

Champ wanted out cause they lose all the damn time. I've gone to bat for Champ earlier on this site and you didn't even make your first post based on the trade. You're not even consistent in your arguement.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. [b]Tatum Bell compares more to Trung Candidate than Clinton Portis does.[/b] I could care less what Tatum Bell did to us. That doesn't make him a good runner. That post doesn't even make sense.

Champ wanted out cause they lose all the damn time. I've gone to bat for Champ earlier on this site before and you didn't even make your first post based on the trade. [b]You're not even consistent in your arguement.[/b][/QUOTE]
definitely true

candidate and bell both can't carry a big load or block...they're both just little fast guys

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You tried to point that out drives stall when we give the ball to Clinton Portis. I have a question for you. How many drives go well when we let Mark Brunell drop back all the time? He hasn't had a consistent game in weeks and he looked bad against the Rams. So tell me again how they shouldn't run Portis.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Tatum Bell compares more to Trung Candidate than Clinton Portis does. I could care less what Tatum Bell did to us. That doesn't make him a good runner. That post doesn't even make sense.

Champ wanted out cause they lose all the damn time. I've gone to bat for Champ earlier on this site before and you didn't even make your first post based on the trade. You're not even consistent in your arguement.[/QUOTE]

I give up the Redskins are going to the Super Bowl and Clinton Portis is a Hall of Famer.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]I give up the Redskins are going to the Super Bowl and Clinton Portis is a Hall of Famer.[/QUOTE]

Cause that's what I said. Didn't I say Champ wanted out cause they lose all the time? That's right in the quote that you put in your post. I, however, do believe that Portis will be a hall of fame back by the time he's done.

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Anthony Chance, all of your posts in this thread are nothing short of asinine. First off, Portis has been durable enough to go for 1300 yards or more in every single season, and he's on pace to do it again this year. His yards per carry this year are back up to good levels, 4.3 per carry. That's more than enough to move the chains, note that Tomlinson is at 4.1 this year.

But the main reason you're so off base is because you COMPLETELY IGNORE the intangibles and dirty work that Portis brings. Who picks up blitzers twice his size? Who hustles and makes TD saving tackles on fumble returns? He can catch the ball, he can run, he's a great blocker. He is one of the most complete backs in the game, yet you just want to focus on running. If you're a running back and running is all you care about, first off, your QB is going to be injured an awful lot. Secondly, you're not going to win many games.

Pay attention to the little things man, there's so much more to pro football than the stupid statistics. How many RBs can do [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120801877.html"]this[/url] (click and scroll down to see photo) to blitzing linebackers? Enough said.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]You tried to point that out drives stall when we give the ball to Clinton Portis. I have a question for you. How many drives go well when we let Mark Brunell drop back all the time? He hasn't had a consistent game in weeks and he looked bad against the Rams. So tell me again how they shouldn't run Portis.[/QUOTE]

How dare you question Brunell. He is one of the best things that Washington has seen in years at the QB position. Just because he's not throwing for 300 yds and 3 TDs every week does not make him inconsistent. Gibbs never sends out many options for Brunell, he is stuck on this maximum protection thing. Brunell seldom make stupid mistakes like many of the quarterbacks in the NFL, thats why he has one of the best interception per attempt ratios.

Thats what makes a QB good if you ask me, he should lead the NFC in the Pro Bowl hands down.

I'll bet his numbers would be better if he were given the opportunity to call his own plays.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Anthony Chance, all of your posts in this thread are nothing short of asinine. First off, Portis has been durable enough to go for 1300 yards or more in every single season, and he's on pace to do it again this year. His yards per carry this year are back up to good levels, 4.3 per carry. That's more than enough to move the chains, note that Tomlinson is at 4.1 this year.

But the main reason you're so off base is because you COMPLETELY IGNORE the intangibles and dirty work that Portis brings. Who picks up blitzers twice his size? Who hustles and makes TD saving tackles on fumble returns? He can catch the ball, he can run, he's a great blocker. He is one of the most complete backs in the game, yet you just want to focus on running. If you're a running back and running is all you care about, first off, your QB is going to be injured an awful lot. Secondly, you're not going to win many games.

Pay attention to the little things man, there's so much more to pro football than the stupid statistics. How many RBs can do [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120801877.html"]this[/url] (click and scroll down to see photo) to blitzing linebackers? Enough said.[/QUOTE]

You make a good point, I say no more.
I'm no longer anti Portis, I must draw my attention to whoever took a shot at Brunell.

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Yeah, man, 156 yards passing...that's what it's all about, but he didn't throw a pick, so that makes it okay. He hasn't thrown for over 200 yards in 3 weeks and they're 1 and 2 in that span. He's also 3 and 6 in his last nine, but you'd write that off because he doesn't turn it over. Whatever man.

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yah this picture is on my background

[img]http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/12/08/PH2005120801968.jpg[/img]

brunell looking at that must be like what the fudge?



And by the way marky has the best TD to INT ratio in the entire league and that is what it is all about

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nice post SCHNEED10:woot: