Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

All QBs improve when exposed to NFL experience and Shuler is no exception.

Still don't agree with that statement three pages later. Anyways have a good one.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd take Eli.

And no, I would not put a smile on and act like I enjoyed it.

with a things being equal, i would take Romo. i was wondering what your reasoning behind taking Manning? just your preference?

[RFKRat]

Originally Posted by Cowell

I honestly never thought Quinn was that good. I have a good friend who is a HUGE ND fan and won't shut up. He thinks that ND had the toughest schedule in the whole NCAA Division 1. Me being a Florida fan I beg to differ, but even if I wasn't a Florida fan, ND plays teams that were good... 40 yeas ago, and when Brady did play a higher tier team he got trampled all over. This kid isn't a starter in the NFL.

Posts like this make me laugh. I'm not a supporter of either ND or Fla, but give me a break. It's funny how ND's schedule works. In Weis's first season, all the "experts" looked at their schedule and said ND would start 0-6 and like 2-8. ND then went out and won most of those games, including coming within an inch of knocking off USC, and then their schedule became "soft" because most of their opponents were having down years, as if that was ND's problem when they scheduled them anywhere from 5-10 years earlier. This season it will be the same way. They play at Michigan and Penn State back to back, early in the season..they also play USC and UCLA within two weeks of each other. That's a brutal slate right there. Sure they have the occasional cupcake on there...like Navy (who's actually been a Bowl team in many recent years) or Duke this season.

But give me a break...Quinn's played in many high-profile games and despite limited running help, weak offensive lines, he's done very well...of course he'll be a good starter in the NFL. The fact that teams passed on him is because most teams this draft didn't need a QB, pure and simple. The only one that did pass who needed a QB was the Dolphins.

And Florida? Please. Sure they play in the SEC and have their share of tough conference games. But they also get to beat on wimps like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc regularly. And their non conference schedule is a joke, except when Fla State is good. Some of Fla's recent non-con opponents? Central Fla, Western Carolina??? (I-AA? at least ND doesn't schedule those)...Wyoming, La Tech, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, SJ State....shoot, when's the last time Florida played a challenging road game outside the SEC, or even the state of Florida? When's the last time they went to like USC, or Penn State, or Michigan or Nebraska? 20 years? 25?

To answer the original question both sides should meet halfway and get the kid into camp.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

with a things being equal, i would take Romo. i was wondering what your reasoning behind taking Manning? just your preference?

Manning's probably going to make a sizable maturity either in this season or next.

In his prime, he will be an average to above average QB in this league.

I can't say the same for Romo. He's got the tools to be, but is very far from a certainty. Romo might never best his 2006 season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Still don't agree with that statement three pages later. Anyways have a good one.

Well, anyway, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. You too man, have a good one.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RFKRat

Posts like this make me laugh. I'm not a supporter of either ND or Fla, but give me a break. It's funny how ND's schedule works. In Weis's first season, all the "experts" looked at their schedule and said ND would start 0-6 and like 2-8. ND then went out and won most of those games, including coming within an inch of knocking off USC, and then their schedule became "soft" because most of their opponents were having down years, as if that was ND's problem when they scheduled them anywhere from 5-10 years earlier. This season it will be the same way. They play at Michigan and Penn State back to back, early in the season..they also play USC and UCLA within two weeks of each other. That's a brutal slate right there. Sure they have the occasional cupcake on there...like Navy (who's actually been a Bowl team in many recent years) or Duke this season.

But give me a break...Quinn's played in many high-profile games and despite limited running help, weak offensive lines, he's done very well...of course he'll be a good starter in the NFL. The fact that teams passed on him is because most teams this draft didn't need a QB, pure and simple. The only one that did pass who needed a QB was the Dolphins.

And Florida? Please. Sure they play in the SEC and have their share of tough conference games. But they also get to beat on wimps like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc regularly. And their non conference schedule is a joke, except when Fla State is good. Some of Fla's recent non-con opponents? Central Fla, Western Carolina??? (I-AA? at least ND doesn't schedule those)...Wyoming, La Tech, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, SJ State....shoot, when's the last time Florida played a challenging road game outside the SEC, or even the state of Florida? When's the last time they went to like USC, or Penn State, or Michigan or Nebraska? 20 years? 25?

To answer the original question both sides should meet halfway and get the kid into camp.

Can't remember where I read it, but ND's strength of schedule last year was in the top 10. Their first 5 games were played against teams who went into the game undefeated. And yes, Stanford, Air Force, Army, and North Carolina are cupcakes, but you'd be hard pressed to find a top 25 team that doesn't have a ton of cupcakes on its schedule.

Or you could be Boise State, have no one on your schedule, and then play the worst team to win a BCS conference in the Fiesta Bowl.

And then somebody gives you a first place vote for no reason, because you didn't lose to teams way worse than you.

No uproar over that one...

[The Zimmermans]

I think Brady will have very similar success to Eli, neither of them have the tools to be dominant, but they both can definitely be effective. Eli is just spacy

[cmc728]

Selfish, no. Foolish, yes.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by cmc728

Selfish, no. Foolish, yes.

It took ten pages for someone to give me a straight answer

Good post.

[cmc728]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It took ten pages for someone to give me a straight answer

Good post.

Thanks! I'm new on here, and I want to get involved with the conversations. He's completely overestimating his talent and value right now. If he played anywhere but Notre Dame, nobody would care.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by cmc728

Thanks! I'm new on here, and I want to get involved with the conversations. He's completely overestimating his talent and value right now. If he played anywhere but Notre Dame, nobody would care.

First of all, welcome. Please post more.

But to your point, which is valid, perhaps he is over estimating his talent and value, but who isn't? None of them have played one down in the NFL.
Aren't they really getting paid for their potential. Sure talent plays a key role in determing the value of these athletes, but how can you tell me Calvin Johnson is worth north of $60MM and Quinn is being nickeled and dimed by the Browns when they both were big time college athletes?

I know Johnson v. Quinn are apples and oranges I'm comparing, but there's something to be said about the culture of the current NFL and how they value athletes.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by cmc728

Thanks! I'm new on here, and I want to get involved with the conversations. He's completely overestimating his talent and value right now. If he played anywhere but Notre Dame, nobody would care.

I don't think he is.
I saw an interview with Quinn, and he's not asking for top 10 numbers, they are off on incentives for a starting QB. The more I hear him talk, the more I don't blame him for holding out a little.
What if he becomes a stud QB and throws for 4k yards and 28+ tds? He'll get paid 1 mil? Why is Cleveland afraid to give him a contract with incentives?

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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

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Classic post.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

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