Titans vs. Skins Positives and Negatives.

[Lotus]

Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?

Heck I forgot that Jim Mora Jr was the Seahawks coach after Mike Holmgren left.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?

I had really high hopes for the guy as a converted TE. He had a mid-round grade and looked like he might be a steal. Thought he might make an athletic RT. Oh well.

He stuck around the league for 5 years (mostly with the NY Giants).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Polumbus is not bad as a run blocker. It's only as a pass blocker that he is an utter disaster.

To me, Compton is the real problem. We brought Polumbus in as a stopgap until Compton got ready. Compton should have sent Polumbus to the bench long ago.

Polumbus' failures are Compton's failures.

Compton was/is a 6th round pick. Those guys are drafted to be backups/special teamers. If you get meaningful reps from them as a starter then that's a bonus, not an expectation. Polumbus is a failure of Polumbus and the front office for not replacing him sooner.

If anything, Moses is failing us by not being ready nearly halfway into his rookie season as a 'high' draft pick.

I really wonder about Chris Forester as a line coach. He hasn't developed anyone, our line was an issue when he got here and still is to this day. After 5 years, I don't expect him to start being a better coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Compton was/is a 6th round pick. Those guys are drafted to be backups/special teamers. If you get meaningful reps from them as a starter then that's a bonus, not an expectation. Polumbus is a failure of Polumbus and the front office for not replacing him sooner.

If anything, Moses is failing us by not being ready nearly halfway into his rookie season as a 'high' draft pick.

I really wonder about Chris Forester as a line coach. He hasn't developed anyone, our line was an issue when he got here and still is to this day. After 5 years, I don't expect him to start being a better coach.

To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys

It's Jim Haslett's fault.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys

From 1982 to 1992, we drafted (in a 12 round draft) 17 linemen. Of those only 7 were picked before the 7th round. One 2nd rounder (Wally Klein, '87), two 3rd rounders (Mo Elewonibi, '90; Paul Sevier, 92). Four 6th rounders - of whom only Ed Simmons stuck around (and he did for 10 years).

In fact, in '91, the Skins did not draft an o-lineman out of nine picks.

It was a different era, but still, we have invested significantly more in drafting o-linemen over the last 5 years than we did during the ten year reign of the Hogs with much less to show for it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys

Andre Collins was a disaster at the tackle position. Mainly b/c he was a LB (an a relatively solid one at that) drafted in the 2nd round in 1990.

Perhaps you meant Andre Johnson out of Penn State in '96, drafted by Casserly during Norv Turner's stellar regime? At least you got the "disaster" part right.

You would think someone from "the Media" would at least fact check.

... and now you know why no one trusts ESPN.

[over the mountain]

the positives in this game were easy to spot and plentiful.

we almost dominated in every facet of the game.

The D, while not creating turn-overs, was on lock down mode. I have never seen so many 3 and outs from a skins opponent. I am excited to see what the Haz Mat has in store for romo and the boys. (Hazlett has been here long enough to earn a nickname.)

encouraging signs on offense as well. i thought kirk had a decent first half, putting balls into tight spots no other NFL qb would dare try. kirk's response to pressure is still an issue but if we sign and develop an all-pro offensive line, kirk will have time to dissect coverages. we are literally 1 RT and 1 guard away from something special on offense.

if the running game can catch up to the red hot passing (6th in league i think), this team can not just compete with anyone, but dominate.

excited to see us build off this win as we head into dallas week. things are coming together and it only took 7 weeks.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the positives in this game were easy to spot and plentiful.

we almost dominated in every facet of the game.

The D, while not creating turn-overs, was on lock down mode. I have never seen so many 3 and outs from a skins opponent. I am excited to see what the Haz Mat has in store for romo and the boys. (Hazlett has been here long enough to earn a nickname.)

encouraging signs on offense as well. i thought kirk had a decent first half, putting balls into tight spots no other NFL qb would dare try. kirk's response to pressure is still an issue but if we sign and develop an all-pro offensive line, kirk will have time to dissect coverages. we are literally 1 RT and 1 guard away from something special on offense.

if the running game can catch up to the red hot passing (6th in league i think), this team can not just compete with anyone, but dominate.

excited to see us build off this win as we head into dallas week. things are coming together and it only took 7 weeks.

Wait, is this serious or sarcasm? Because other than the drive killing interceptions and inability to win a game, Kirk is a first team all pro. (see, that was clearly sarcasm)

Aside from that, I don't think we watched the same game. There was nothing 'dominating' about that performance. We played at the same level as the two win team that came in. Unsure how having to kick a game winning FG with time expiring against said 2 win team would be very encouraging that we're about to set the league ablaze. I love positivity and optimism, but.......

[Evilgrin]

Moses was never gonna be ready to contribute this year, any team drafting him had to view him as a developmental pick. He has great athletic ability, but his instincts aren't there. Always nervous when picking athletic talent over good football players. It does seem to be working out with Breeland though.

[Evilgrin]

If you have a long history of busts at certain positions, like we do, coaching has to be an issue.

[rocnrik]

You guys are on to something about the position coaches..think about how often you see a top player at any position give credit to there position coach ..it happens a lot! The HOGS had Joe Bugel to teach them and it seemed like even the backups were always good! I really like Gruden as a head coach ..I like his style And I believe he can be the head coach to take us back to greatness..however He can't do it alone. The skins this offseason need to unload EVERY player they have that are overpaid and not producing..that is first step. They need to draft solid OL first ..Think about how many college OL come in and produce pretty quick in the NFL..the top players sometimes make the pro bowl out of the gate..OL is usually a safe pick…we need OL help bad ..the DB position can be addressed through free agency that way you know what you are getting..no more Rambo deals!

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

<snip>..the DB position can be addressed through free agency that way you know what you are getting..no more Rambo deals!

Depends on how much money you're spending. Obviously, I'd rather whiff on a 6th rounder than a 54 million dollar free agent.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Depends on how much money you're spending. Obviously, I'd rather whiff on a 6th rounder than a 54 million dollar free agent.

Yeah how's that Bryd deal working for New Orleans? Big money free agency almost never works.