Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

“All the sacks are on me, period."

"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."

"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”

"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."

"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."

"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."

"I promise you that I will get better."

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

In context, what your quotes show is that RGIII is given to insincerity.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

What, comparing Griffin to Peyton Manning makes sense, but comparing him to Brady doesn't?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.



And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.



And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

Speaking of a terrible look...

Wtf with that hat?

[calia]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

And let's not forget the famous quote by Manning: "Idiot kicker." The truth is that sooner or later, just about every QB will, out of frustration, say something about the performance of otgers on the team and, let's face it, they are always the ones up at the podium being asked to comment on all aspects of the game (along with the HC).

I think RGIII took his share of the blame, and he also expects that his teammates to perform better and I don't fault him for saying it. And the way he phrased it -- "I need the guys to play better" -- struck me as a lot less offensive than the way it has been phrased by other QBs. The social media postings bug me, but about as much as a gnat. Who cares? Just focus on getting the job done.

I also thought that Gruden was refreshingly blunt, and I rather liked it. But the key is how the team responds. Some hardass coaches could be that way and the guys responded well. One of my favorite quotes about Vince Lombardi from one of his players: "Yeah, Coach Lombardi is great. He treats us all the same. He treats us like dogs." He could be hard on guys, and he was also like a father to them at the same time. And he got results. I don't see Gruden likely being able to pull that off, but maybe he's got a little Chuckie in him after all.

I just hope they come out this weekend pissed off and ready to rip someone's head off. Would be a nice change.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.

Santana Moss called out RG3 last year for this too. My problem is its happening again. He should know better.

But see, now we are talking about this bs and not the fact RG3 doesnt know where to go with the ball when the defense checks into cover 2.