Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You do not see an improvement from Ryan Clark and Brandon Meriweather to D. Goldson and Jeron Johnson?

As far as Johnson is concerned, he's a complete unknown as far as being a full time starter. We don't know if he's an upgrade over Merriweather cause there's no track record. But I actually like this one as he's still young and can at least play teams.

DG got paid and from what it looks like, did nothing. Just don't like this signing.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As far as Johnson is concerned, he's a complete unknown as far as being a full time starter. We don't know if he's an upgrade over Merriweather cause there's no track record. But I actually like this one as he's still young and can at least play teams.

DG got paid and from what it looks like, did nothing. Just don't like this signing.

I think when you look around in free agency and the draft...very very thin at free safety. again this is a low risk signing...

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You do not see an improvement from Ryan Clark and Brandon Meriweather to D. Goldson and Jeron Johnson?

the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS

Goldson is better than Clark, D Hall and every rookie at FS.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS

D. Hall and a weak FS rookie class? D Hall has had serious season ending injuries the last few years and has never played the position before on a full time basis, over a two time probowl selection and a guy our new GM knows very well? We will still add a rookie or two in the draft and/or undrafted rookies.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS

If Goldson can't play anymore, you probably will have DHall and a rookie at FS. The Skins may not think that Hall will be ready to go at the start of the season or (I realize this is far-fetched) you could be wrong about Goldson and he might have enough left to give us a good year or two.

[Defensewins]

This gives us the luxury of drafting a FS later in the draft and develop for the future.
To our FO: "Our baby's all grown up. "

[skinsfan69]

A two win team is letting him walk. Not impressed by this one. Seems like Ryan Clark all over again.

[mredskins]

Just a stop gap. The Skins need some players to plug to at least field a reasonably good team as they try to build this team up.

[SirLK26]

Is Chris Conte An Upgrade Over Goldson? - Bucs Nation

Well, Goldson according to PFF was god awful last season. In 14 games, Goldson posted a -20.0 score on their nerd metrics. He was the worst player on the Bucs defense. Goldson had zero games in the positive and was a frighteningly bad -14.5 in pass coverage. Only one safety in the entire NFL had a worse rating (Ryan Clark). This wasn't just a bad year for Goldson, he was -14.4 overall in Greg Schiano's last season as well. So in two years and $22 million, the Bucs got themselves a -34.4 performance from Goldson. He leaves the Bucs with 1 INT in two years of service.

Meh. Low cost, but I'm not expecting anything good either.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Is Chris Conte An Upgrade Over Goldson? - Bucs Nation




Meh. Low cost, but I'm not expecting anything good either.

not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington

Well that's the non-guaranteed money. The Bucs are reponsible for the guaranteed part of the contract. Basically if he works out for the team, the Redskins pay 4 mil; if he doesn't work out he doesn't get that. I don't see how this is not low cost/low risk.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington

Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position (only). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to as a FS? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what is your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position (only). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to as a FS? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what is your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.

The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.

Nobody expects Goldson to revert to "high caliber play", we got a stopgap with potential for a bag of chips.

Now we don't have to move CB's and kill our depth, or draft safeties in a strong OL draft, or wait on other teams and pray they cut their sh*t players for us to sign.