Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson

[sevier2]

Another thing people are forgetting is the fact that we have a new Defensive coordinator.

I'm with the rest of you, I want to see our defense improved (obviously) but we have NO idea how these players are going to mesh and play together when we don't even fully know what our defense is going to look like.

At this point, all we can do is wait and have faith in our team. With Scot Mc running things around here i have more faith than previous years.

Lets save the complaining for AFTER the season.

Everyone needs to cheer up! It's the off season and we're definitely getting better. That's all I wanted.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

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The guy says the right things for me as a fan..

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

After the TB debacle and the fact that he signed a 1 year like Knighton, I can see Goldson being hungry and try to prove himself.

Just to point out, Goldson didnt sign a 1 year contract. He still has 3 years remaining on his existing contract. This year he has a 4 mil cap hit since TB ate the 4 mil left in guaranteed money. The next 2 years, the cap hit is in the 7 to 8 mil range. However, he has no guaranteed money left in his contract, so we can cut him with nothing against the cap (unless we cut him after he earns his workout bonus).

He should have incentive to gain those last two years of his contract though. If he doesnt play well and gets cut next offseason, he will not be signing for much at all imo.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Just to point out, Goldson didnt sign a 1 year contract. He still has 3 years remaining on his existing contract. This year he has a 4 mil cap hit since TB ate the 4 mil left in guaranteed money. The next 2 years, the cap hit is in the 7 to 8 mil range. However, he has no guaranteed money left in his contract, so we can cut him with nothing against the cap (unless we cut him after he earns his workout bonus).

He should have incentive to gain those last two years of his contract though. If he doesnt play well and gets cut next offseason, he will not be signing for much at all imo.

Good point also a good reason to trade and not wait till he is cut.

[KI Skins Fan]

I couldn't say "down" because we have nobody else and I suppose there is a chance that he'll help us, so I said "up" with little enthusiasm.

[FRPLG]

Good lord it truly is not possible to please everyone. Someone always bitches about something.

[skinsguy]

What do we currently have on the team at that position that says we're better off with them rather than picking up Goldson? I mean, sure, McCloughan is not going to hit on every player he chooses, whether that be in the draft or free agency. But, he's right more than he's wrong, and even if Goldson doesn't turn out to contribute much to the team, it's not like we're paying him a huge guaranteed contract.

Just continue to trust the system. It's going to take awhile.

[JoeRedskin]

The only downside to this trade is we may possibly be overpaying for a starting safety.

At the same time, if he doesn't make the team or if a better option arises after teams start cutting rosters, all we done is moved down in the 6th round to ensure we at least had a starting caliber free safety.on the roster.

If we end up overpaying for his services this year, okay. Not like T.Williams is getting cut to make room for him. There is plenty of cap flexibility and a 1-2M overpay is not going to hurt us in either the short or long term. Signing Goldson gives us an insurance policy at the FS position and doesn't prevent us from exploring any of the other options others have said we should do (moving guys, signing guys, drafting guys, developing. guys).

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[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

The only downside to this trade is we may possibly be overpaying for a starting safety.

At the same time, if he doesn't make the team or if a better option arises after teams start cutting rosters, all we done is moved down in the 6th round to ensure we at least had a starting caliber free safety.on the roster.

If we end up overpaying for his services this year, okay. Not like T.Williams is getting cut to make room for him. There is plenty of cap flexibility and a 1-2M overpay is not going to hurt us in either the short or long term. Signing Goldson gives us an insurance policy at the FS position and doesn't prevent us from exploring any of the other options others have said we should do (moving guys, signing guys, drafting guys, developing. guys).

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YOU know that's BS. Shanallen....Snyderatto.....All..Sny......BruDan.. .
F..d this up and undermined us once again......
Another 20 years down the toilet......

[CRedskinsRule]

^^ agreed. And this allows us to go into the draft with at least some flexibility regarding safeties. If somehow there is a run in the second we aren't caught picking from a bare cupboard.

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[rocnrik]

with all the holes to fill there will have to be chances taken..Its not like there are a lot of options out there for a starting safety. we really did not give up much to take a chance at upgrade..and if we sat still we might not could have landed this player..desperate teams sometimes do desperate things..The Skins are desperate at DB …maybe the worst in the league last year..

[JoeRedskin]

As usual, excellent write up by Keim:

Washington Redskins scouting report: Dashon Goldson - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

The crux of it is that he is a solid tackler and plays well when he keeps the plays in front of him. He is not good in coverage and asking him to man up on WR's or pass receiving TE's does not play to his strength. His skills are very scheme related. From the article:

Goldson is one exhibit for why it’s hard to throw big money at safeties. They’re a little more scheme-reliant and dependent on what’s around them. Goldson did well in San Francisco, but he was surrounded by a talented roster. The Niners did not have to ask him to do things he could not -- like cover one-on-one too often. Also, in one 49ers game I watched from 2012, the Niners had Goldson line up a little deeper when playing deep middle -- by perhaps two yards from what Tampa would do in a similar look.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As usual, excellent write up by Keim:

Washington Redskins scouting report: Dashon Goldson - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

The crux of it is that he is a solid tackler and plays well when he keeps the plays in front of him. He is not good in coverage and asking him to man up on WR's or pass receiving TE's does not play to his strength. His skills are very scheme related. From the article:

I really hope someone out of this group of safeties that we have (or someone we draft) comes out to be a solid pure free safety. It seems that we have a lot of guys that are good at tackling and help against the run game. But we need a pure free safety that can cover the top of the field and provide help to the CBs.

I don't like this attitude that our team has about having guys that can play either position. It seems that every year we cannot get a safety, I hear this line from the coaches. I know it is good to have versatile players that can play either position, but this whole approach of having safeties that can play either position continues to not work.

Maybe an improved pass rush can help the secondary, but I hope McC can find longtime FS in the draft.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I really hope someone out of this group of safeties that we have (or someone we draft) comes out to be a solid pure free safety. It seems that we have a lot of guys that are good at tackling and help against the run game. But we need a pure free safety that can cover the top of the field and provide help to the CBs.

I don't like this attitude that our team has about having guys that can play either position. It seems that every year we cannot get a safety, I hear this line from the coaches. I know it is good to have versatile players that can play either position, but this whole approach of having safeties that can play either position continues to not work.

Maybe an improved pass rush can help the secondary, but I hope McC can find longtime FS in the draft.

I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious, but we have had very little to no investment in drafting a FS high in the draft or success in finding one in the lower rounds. You can't polish a turd.
So the problem is not the approach of wanting our safeties to be interchangeable. The problem has been the lack of talent and the inability to find or develop a good FS period.

In terms of a solution for next season, I feel IMO it would be wise in long obvious passing downs (dime defense) we should probably have D. Hall in the deep safety role, Culliver & Breeland & Amerson at CB and Goldson closer to the line protecting against the run. After adding a top OLB with the #5, our pass rush should be much improved, so our DB's should have an easier time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious, but we have had very little to no investment in drafting a FS high in the draft or success in finding one in the lower rounds. You can't polish a turd.
So the problem is not the approach of wanting our safeties to be interchangeable. The problem has been the lack of talent and the inability to find or develop a good FS period.

In terms of a solution for next season, I feel IMO it would be wise in long obvious passing downs (dime defense) we should probably have D. Hall in the deep safety role, Culliver & Breeland & Amerson at CB and Goldson closer to the line protecting against the run. After adding a top OLB with the #5, our pass rush should be much improved, so our DB's should have an easier time.

Yeah, I am okay with D.Hall being the deep cover on occasion (though even then I am not confident in his ability to take the right angles or recognize where he needs to provide help; essentially, he would just be an extra CB handling the deep zone). Just don't think he is a real "solution" to the safety issue.