All things off season 2015.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Boo hoo hoo. They deflated balls. Who gives a shit. Did the NFL mention that the Colts had 3 out of their 4 balls deflated? Seriously NFL, get a effing life.

It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)

The problem is that Tom Brady is protected by the NFL. Mark my words he will face no discipline action or fine of any kind....

It seems to me that other sports are much stricter about things like this than the NFL. I don't hate the Patriots but IMO they deserve a strict punishment. Loss of draft picks is BS. As the most severe punishment - everyone involved that "ordered" the deflating, should be banned from working / coaching in the NFL for life. Brady should be suspended by the NFL for one season.

It depends on how much a scumbag Robert Kraft is - he strikes me as a smart man, but surely he knew that winning had to come at any price. If i am wrong about him then he fires those on staff that orchestrated the deflating...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's a story because Tom Brady and the Patriots denied and lied about all of it, which we now find out wasn't true. I think Goodell even said himself that lying about issues to investigators would bring even a swifter punishment than the actual matter at hand.


Tom Brady nut huggers like to excuse him from everything, including things that get others suspended. (aka..lying to investigators)

He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.

Comparing off the field transgressions to on the field transgressions is mixing apples and oranges and is just plain stupid.

The NFL cares enough about ball pressure that it has a rule about it. They also care enough about it to have specific procedures in place, such that the balls have to be presented to the head official two hours before the game for testing, and kept under watch until just minutes before the game starts. If the NFL didn't think ball pressure makes a difference in performance they wouldn't make a rule about it and wouldn't go to these lengths to enforce it. Brady's a cheater and should not be considered for the HOF.

[SFREDSKIN]

He's back!! Second chance?

Former Redskins TE Fred Davis reinstated by NFL - Washington Times

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Comparing off the field transgressions to on the field transgressions is mixing apples and oranges and is just plain stupid.

The NFL cares enough about ball pressure that it has a rule about it. They also care enough about it to have specific procedures in place, such that the balls have to be presented to the head official two hours before the game for testing, and kept under watch until just minutes before the game starts. If the NFL didn't think ball pressure makes a difference in performance they wouldn't make a rule about it and wouldn't go to these lengths to enforce it. Brady's a cheater and should not be considered for the HOF.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He should get a game or two for lying. He's a dumb ass for not just coming clean and being honest. But I really don't care. Doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Greg Hardy cause he lied about deflating a football for a half of a blowout game.

i think the balls were deflated for every game for a long time. Who knows how long.

The fact that Brady was pissed after the Jets game in the reg season this year bc McNally wasnt able to deflate the balls, to me, means Brady expected every game to have deflated balls. But since the jets dont trust the pats, i imagine it was a lot harder for McNally to duck into a bathroom.

the balls not being deflated was the exception to the rule. this was not a one time thing.

i just feel bad for Robert Kraft. he looks like a schmuck. if he asked brady about this before Kraft did his "demanding an apology" speech ... brady left him out to dry.

the fumble thing is real interesting to me.

in 2006, Brady (and peyton) lobbied the league to allow teams to scuff and provide their own balls. Brady was quoted as saying some QBs like the ball more inflated, some like it less.

The NFL didnt allow teams to set their own PSI.

In 2007, the Patriots started this statistically impossibility (per smart expert ppl) that their fumbles went from around league avg of 1 fumble per 39 plays before 2007 to 1 fumble per 79 plays in 207 and after.

Sharp Football Analysis

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i think the balls were deflated for every game for a long time. Who knows how long.

The fact that Brady was pissed after the Jets game in the reg season this year bc McNally wasnt able to deflate the balls, to me, means Brady expected every game to have deflated balls. But since the jets dont trust the pats, i imagine it was a lot harder for McNally to duck into a bathroom.

the balls not being deflated was the exception to the rule. this was not a one time thing.

i just feel bad for Robert Kraft. he looks like a schmuck. if he asked brady about this before Kraft did his "demanding an apology" speech ... brady left him out to dry.

the fumble thing is real interesting to me.

in 2006, Brady (and peyton) lobbied the league to allow teams to scuff and provide their own balls. Brady was quoted as saying some QBs like the ball more inflated, some like it less.

The NFL didnt allow teams to set their own PSI.

In 2007, the Patriots started this statistically impossibility (per smart expert ppl) that their fumbles went from around league avg of 1 fumble per 39 plays before 2007 to 1 fumble per 79 plays in 207 and after.

Sharp Football Analysis

Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.

Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.

Brady's in the wrong. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is just because a rule is broken doesn't mean it compromised the outcome of a game. I just don't believe that a ball that was barely underinflated determined the outcome. I understand rules were broken and he probably lied. I just don't care and the media is on this like flies on shit. They won the SB with normal inflated balls.

[calia]

^ This. Seriously, the score was 45-7 people. Does anyone really think that the difference between 11.70 psi v. 12.50 psi made any difference? A classic example where the cover-up is worse than the crime. Were people in the Patriots orgzanization untruthful about it? It sure seems that way. But it's insane to thinnk that this compromised the integrity of the game in any meaningful way. Resources would be better spent on dealing with PEDs or other things that relate to player safety or otherwise do affect outcomes.

Separately, anyone else see this? Ex-Redskins TE Fred Davis reinstated from suspension - NFL.com

I suspect the Cowboys are already in negotiations with him.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Brady's in the wrong. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is just because a rule is broken doesn't mean it compromised the outcome of a game. I just don't believe that a ball that was barely underinflated determined the outcome. I understand rules were broken and he probably lied. I just don't care and the media is on this like flies on shit. They won the SB with normal inflated balls.

I have never said they didnt win the SB with the right balls. I am also not in the camp that Brady should be suspended the whole year or that he no longer deserves to be in the HOF. He did cheat however, and should face some punishment. To me, a game suspension sounds right, and the pats losing a draft pick or two, something similar to what the falcons lost. But to say its only breaking a rule if Indy plays well is laughable. How the other team played is irrelevant to whether they cheated.