All things Redskins training camp

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

Saw Garcon catching some balls in traffic, doing a nice job.

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine

Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.



Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.

yeah . . . but that is an average . . . most of the time if he has the ball longer than that he is running for his life or trying to dodge the pass rush or getting sacked as he releases the ball . .. the longer you hold the ball the more of that is going to happen

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

...RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

Not sure why that is surprising. When a QBs throws quick its usually because the pre-snap read and the design of the play matched up with what happened post snap. Its after the primary is covered that things get wonky consequently most QBs have better stats when the ball is thrown quickly.