All things Redskins training camp

[JoeRedskin]

Per Twitter: At RG, Scherf planted JJ Watt on his ass.

[Chico23231]

Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think Moses at RT says more about him than it does Scherff. If he's that improved that's an awesome thing for our line.

Agree on all counts. Some of the commentary on Moses:

Mark Bullock ‏@MarkBullockNFL
Also, notice Morgan Moses technique here. So much better than last year. Not lunging/waist-bending.

No knock on Long, but there is a reason Scherff went at five. If Moses is as good or better than Scherff at RT; Scherff at RG is likely much, much better than Long (and that's really not intended as a knock on Long).

Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

[I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot].

That's a young line with versatility, depth and a whole lot of nasty. [Between Scherff and Williams alone, the nastiness quotient is higher than any non-Williams OL combination we had last year]

[30gut]

We'll see what happens with Brandon whether it RG or RT.

There are so many possible reasons to play him at RG especially this week.

My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.

Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.

If Moses is a better RT then Long is a RG and Scherff is good at either spot what do you do? You put the best OL out there and if its Scherff RG and Moses RT then so be it.

Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

Saw Garcon catching some balls in traffic, doing a nice job.

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.

Fair point. I was having an old man mental lapse and thinking it was the reverse - that he would get more against Watt in the RT position. Doh!

Originally Posted by 30gut

Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.

Yeah, I get this and, in intra-squad practices, it makes perfect sense. On the other hand, this would be Scherff's only chance to work at RT (other than some preseason game snaps) to work against NFL players he doesn't see every day. To me, it is very valuable practice time and, given the original plan to start him at RT, and to me, it would seem more important to get him the reps at RT against these guys. Maybe a few series / plays / whatever at RG but, if he is to be a day one RT starter, get him as many snaps as possible at RT against non-Skins to prep him for his first NFL start.

Ultimately, still plenty of time in preseason to do so. I just find it odd that he would come out of the gate at RG in the inter-squad practice. I am betting that, for the last round against the Texans, Scherff will be at RT. If he is not, I would suggest that the way they envisioned the line has changed in the last few days. Not saying that's a bad thing in any way. Just interesting.

Just watching the two (and, again, I know it is completely unscientific), Moses just looks the part of tackle - long, big wing span. If his technique continues to improve and is consistent, he has the physical tools to be a good to very good RT.

Originally Posted by 30gut

Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.

Yup. 100% agree.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine

Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

[SirLK26]

Logan Paulsen, Preston Smith, Frank Kearse join Redskins’ mounting injured list - The Washington Post

What the hell? This is getting ridiculous.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Per Twitter: At RG, Scherf planted JJ Watt on his ass.

Yesssss......more ass planting please!

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.



Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Agree on all counts. Some of the commentary on Moses:



No knock on Long, but there is a reason Scherff went at five. If Moses is as good or better than Scherff at RT; Scherff at RG is likely much, much better than Long (and that's really not intended as a knock on Long).

Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

[I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot].

That's a young line with versatility, depth and a whole lot of nasty. [Between Scherff and Williams alone, the nastiness quotient is higher than any non-Williams OL combination we had last year]

Moses playing really well is no surprise, remember he was the 2nd pick of the third round so essentially a 2nd rounder he should be starting.

I think that they drafted Kouandijo to be the starting LG next year and Lavauo is safe this year unless K just crushes it and then yes Lavauo is looking for work.

The Nasty quotiant is awesome

I am not sure why the media is upset with Scherff playing guard if you are a pro-bowler at any position outside of kicker you are worthy of the #5 overall pick and looks like a perennial pro-bowler at gaurd

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot.

The reports I've read have all said that Kuandijo has a long way to go. Since Long started out getting first team reps at RG why wouldn't the Skins move him to LG instead of Arie or move Scherff to LG and keep Long at RG if they want to replace Lauvao?

[JoeRedskin]

Not sure who was saying it, but somewhere on the twitterverse, from one of the local insider types, were several comments about how AK was looking really good and taking some snaps with the 1's.

As to Scherff or Long to LG if Moses has really stepped it up and is ready to go as the starting RT -- okay. works for me. Having played line (a bazillion years ago), I would suggest it is a more difficult move from RG to LG than it is from RT to RG. Since everything works out from the center, all of a sudden your playing a mirror image of what you were doing before.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

...RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

Not sure why that is surprising. When a QBs throws quick its usually because the pre-snap read and the design of the play matched up with what happened post snap. Its after the primary is covered that things get wonky consequently most QBs have better stats when the ball is thrown quickly.