Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Do you mean in general or are you referencing a specific draft?

Id imagine the one u posted. I agree. Moses n Breeland. Everyone else is meh or blah. I also agree a draft like that will get u nowhere fast. We need a much better one this year if we want to take the next step.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we got good value from our 3rd and 4th round pick, everyone else's contribution was either at or below their slot.

having that kind of draft every year would be good if you were 4-12 and looking to go 8-8. which i guess we were, but you actually need to do quite a bit better than 2 new starters a year from the draft/udfas to get ahead.

solid draft

[Irrefutable]

per Rich Tandler minimal changes on defense Need to Know: Will McCloughan try to build the Redskins’ defense through free agency? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If accurate, there will be minimal improvement on defense... there are to many holes to fill solely in the draft

[That Guy]

well, that's rich tandler's view, not scot's. scot said we wouldn't be big players last year and signed 5 starters. so i think he'll follow the value. the defense definitely needs some work though.

[KI Skins Fan]

I don't share Tandler's views on defensive needs at all. I don't know what Scot will do about the defense but I think he'll give it a lot of attention this off-season.

[Evilgrin]

If all you see are the 2 starters, and miss the rest of the mistakes, then whatever.

[MTK]

Pretty solid draft if you ask me. Am I missing something?

[Schneed10]

And remember, that was the year Allen was subscribing to McC's scouting service. He may have been the birdie whispering in his ear that Breeland and Moses were good targets.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And remember, that was the year Allen was subscribing to McC's scouting service. He may have been the birdie whispering in his ear that Breeland and Moses were good targets.

it could be . . . though it was the only draft he ran . . . so not bad!!

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

it could be . . . though it was the only draft he ran . . . so not bad!!

I agree. 3 starters, 1 backup o-lineman, and a backup wr/st player.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I agree. 3 starters, 1 backup o-lineman, and a backup wr/st player.

Well, two potential long term starters - Breeland & Moses.

One rotational starter, likely long term back-up - Murphy

One long term OL player with potential to be long time starter - Long

One spot player, ST body - Grant

Long may well end up starting at center next year. Grant, I think, will be gone. Liked him but not seeing any real development.

If we get 2/3 starters out of a draft and a fourth who is a solid, reliable, if unspectacular back up, with no first round pick, that's a good solid draft. All it lacks is an "impact" player. We simply do not have enough of those on the defensive side of the ball. If we find one or two of those in the next two or three drafts, we will need drafts like this to maintain.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, two potential long term starters - Breeland & Moses.

One rotational starter, likely long term back-up - Murphy

One long term OL player with potential to be long time starter - Long

One spot player, ST body - Grant

Long may well end up starting at center next year. Grant, I think, will be gone. Liked him but not seeing any real development.

If we get 2/3 starters out of a draft and a fourth who is a solid, reliable, if unspectacular back up, with no first round pick, that's a good solid draft. All it lacks is an "impact" player. We simply do not have enough of those on the defensive side of the ball. If we find one or two of those in the next two or three drafts, we will need drafts like this to maintain.

I agree with everything you said about that draft. Bruce Allen did a good job. I also think that draft would look even better if Long could transition to center next season.

Since I'm in an agreeable mood, I also agree with you on what we need on defense to improve significantly on that side of the ball. What we need now on defense is some STARS ("impact" players).

I'm hoping we get a defensive star in this year's draft. The right FA's could help, as well. Perhaps we'll re-sign Junior Galette and he'll have recovered enough to be an impact player for us. If we sign Galette, I'd like to see what Preston Smith can do for us as an inside pass rusher. I can foresee Smith moving around and giving offenses lots of problems.

I'm trusting Scot M. to find us the players we need to get better on defense in 2016.

[skinsfaninok]

Jaime dukes just said "the panthers will have to deal with seattle, arz, dallas, gb"... and when asked about washington he laughed... ha yeah coming from a bum that never won anything

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jaime dukes just said "the panthers will have to deal with seattle, arz, dallas, gb"... and when asked about washington he laughed... ha yeah coming from a bum that never won anything

I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.

Kind of lame he mentions Dallas in the same breath as Seattle or Arizona. I know they are the media sweethearts, and they'll be improved when Romo gets back, but they aren't anywhere close to being a Super Bowl contender.