Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Kind of lame he mentions Dallas in the same breath as Seattle or Arizona. I know they are the media sweethearts, and they'll be improved when Romo gets back, but they aren't anywhere close to being a Super Bowl contender.

I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.

I agree that we'll likely fall back down a bit, maybe to the point of 7-9 even, but as long as we keep trending in the right direction AND adding talent, I'll feel good about our plan. It was obvious that Romo going down was a GIGANTIC hit, and they're obviously not 4-12 bad, but to call them a title contender is ridiculous. Would they have beaten Seattle, Arizona, hell, even GB? Probably not. Romo and Dez give them the opportunity to beat a lot of mediocre teams. But hey, isn't that exactly what WE finally did this year?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.

cant expect much from yahoo sports, they are fairly hot garbage in terms of sports journalism.

I mean, anyone who watched the cowturds know they have major issues at every area on the field. WR, RB, QB, Secondary, Linebacker, Pass Rush, Coaching, etc.

Does that seem like a first place team?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.

It does blow my mind that no matter how poorly Dallas plays, they are always in the conversation to win the NFC East and to go on to the Super Bowl. Provided, had the 'skins gotten past GB in the playoffs, maybe people would start recognizing them as a legitimate threat, but it still makes me laugh. Nobody else can use the excuse of injuries for a bad season, but if it's Dallas, "Oh, Dez was hurt, Romo was hurt...." That's two players from a 53-man roster! Provided, Romo and Dez are two of the best on their team, but still, the Cowturds could go 0-16 next year and they'll still say Dallas is the best in the NFC East.

[Irrefutable]

per John Keim the Redskins save $6+ million in cap space if Hatcher retires after June 1

[Meks]

Lol @ all this bullshit its so laughable. .. cant wait to see what happens this year

[30gut]

My plan for better days ahead.....

DEF--
o draft and/or sign a ILB

o draft and/or sign a CB/NB

o keep Hatcher and Knighton

o draft DL (take advantage of the quality depth of DL in this draft)

o draft an edge rusher

o draft a S

[That Guy]

i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.

I guess it comes down to your assessment of their production. For me I think they are both productive players in different facets 1 via the pass the other the run.

I think losing them creates a hole we cant currently fill. We can hope the players we acquire via draft/FA are as good or better but i would rather add to them as opposed trying to replace their production.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.

I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .

Agree.

I really like Hatcher, but he is too old. The "want to" is still there but at his age and with his injury history, he can't recover from the beating he takes in a single week. He noticeably wears down over a season.

Hatcher has an 8.7m cap hit next year and a 4.2m cap savings if cut. His body isn't going to be able to recover any better being another year older. We need to cut ties and spend the money on youth.

Knighton was out of shape the entire season. He couldn't stay in for 2 plays in a row and be 100% effective. His play did pick up toward the last 3 or 4 games but he was a non-factor most of the year.

We shouldn't extend a guy who stayed so out of shape in his "prove it" year. Being 50 pounds overweight is really about self control. He would have been so much better hovering around the 350 mark.

The performance through 2015 didn't warrant bringing him back at anywhere near his 4m contract.

For the folk(s) that want to bring them back, what kind of contract numbers are you talking about?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .

But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

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Respectfully disagree with the characterization of both.

Knighton's impact, or lack thereof, doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. It's more of an eyeball test. So I guess his performance is in the eye of the evaluator, kind of like PFF or Cooley's film breakdown.

Knighton won't be back except on the cheap. Too fat, too out of shape, and largely ineffective with the occasional flash in the pan.

The best pass rushing D lineman was Big Swaggy Chris Baker, and it wasn't even close.

Washington Redskins 2015 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN

Jason Hatcher NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Chris Baker NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Losing Hatcher with his cap number and not resigning Knighton at 4m isn't going to hurt us.

I predict neither will be here next year.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Respectfully disagree with the characterization of both.

Knighton's impact, or lack thereof, doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. It's more of an eyeball test. So I guess his performance is in the eye of the evaluator, kind of like PFF or Cooley's film breakdown.

Knighton won't be back except on the cheap. Too fat, too out of shape, and largely ineffective with the occasional flash in the pan.

The best pass rushing D lineman was Big Swaggy Chris Baker, and it wasn't even close.

Washington Redskins 2015 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN

Jason Hatcher NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Chris Baker NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Losing Hatcher with his cap number and not resigning Knighton at 4m isn't going to hurt us.

I predict neither will be here next year.

Our dline was actually solid across the board...pot roast started slow and got much better after the bye. Hatcher was effing solid, he took on double teams and collapsed the inside constantly. What killed us was our inside linebacker play against the run...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

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Probably need to get a little younger along the dline. I think we are going dline with the 1 or 2nd round. Count on paea, Ricky Jean and Baker back. That's really it. I gotta feeling hatcher is gonna retire or cut at his salary. What I read with keim, is that pot roast most likely will not be back. I'd like to see Trent Murphy transition to end. My gut feeling is we go dline first.

Right now with first round ranking:

1. Dline
2. ILB
3. CB

That's how Scott probably looking.