The Defense Only Thread

Chico23231 · 10-03-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

You can tell they are coached to rip at the ball as much as humanly possible. That's a good thing. Bad side is that they don't appear to be coached on wrapping up, like at all.

The big personnel need at the moment is definitely DL. If I can get my hands on an athletic middle linebacker in the draft, I'll take it.

You do your 'needs' shopping in free agency, and you take BPA in the draft. We should spend on DL, for sure, no questions asked. The MLBs, if we're at our 2nd or 3rd rounder and one is BPA, then I'm all for it.

If you look at Seattle and how they were built "up the middle"...SS Chancellor, MLB Bobby Wagner and DTs who are run pluggers first. They took that DT Reed from Alabama who was regarded as the strongest DT versus the run in the draft as an example to philosophy. Bobby Wagner is just an athletic, volume tackler...Chancellor is big hitter, big tackler.

I called for it in the offseason...we need that up the middle presence to stop the run.

Schneed10 · 10-03-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

If you look at Seattle and how they were built "up the middle"...SS Chancellor, MLB Bobby Wagner and DTs who are run pluggers first. They took that DT Reed from Alabama who was regarded as the strongest DT versus the run in the draft as an example to philosophy. Bobby Wagner is just an athletic, volume tackler...Chancellor is big hitter, big tackler.

I called for it in the offseason...we need that up the middle presence to stop the run.

This is an excellent point. It's more than the DL. Compton is a heady player and is fine for now but Super Bowl caliber defenses so often have a Bobby Wagner or a Luke Kuechly. And a Chancellor.

DYoungJelly · 10-03-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

You do your 'needs' shopping in free agency, and you take BPA in the draft. We should spend on DL, for sure, no questions asked. The MLBs, if we're at our 2nd or 3rd rounder and one is BPA, then I'm all for it.

Agree 100%.

skinsfan69 · 10-03-2016, 12:23 PM

Alabama or Ohio state could probably get rushing yards on our defense. Watching the Browns just gash our defense is painful to watch. It's going to be like this all year long. The draft alone will not fix this. SM is going to have to dip into free agency come March.

skinsfaninok · 10-03-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Alabama or Ohio state could probably get rushing yards on our defense. Watching the Browns just gash our defense is painful to watch. It's going to be like this all year long. The draft alone will not fix this. SM is going to have to dip into free agency come March.

Luckily Baltimore doesn't run it as much but I'm sure they will Sunday

KI Skins Fan · 10-03-2016, 12:53 PM

Concerning the rushing defense:

“Well, we have to definitely look at ways to stop the run and find out where the holes are, I think,” Redskins head coach Jay Gruden said. (No shit, Sherlock!) “A lot of it has to do with Cleveland, man. [Joel] Bitonio and Joe Thomas had a good running game. [Isaiah] Crowell and Duke Johnson [Jr.] had a good scheme over there, so you’ve got to give credit to them, but then we have to figure out where we’re coming up short. Is it missing tackles at the second level (Yes!), is it getting off blocks (Yes!), is it getting pushed back too much on the double teams (Yes!)? We have to figure it out and figure out the answer and try to come up with some solutions.”

Our run defense is simply atrocious. It's very doubtful that we can improve it very much with our current personnel and a DC who couldn't find his own ass using both hands.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-03-2016, 01:01 PM

It's our Wagner or Kuechly that we're missing. With the exception of the Steelers game, I feel like our DTs aren't getting pushed back as often as we think. It seems like it's the second level that's failing.

Chico23231 · 10-03-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

It's our Wagner or Kuechly that we're missing. With the exception of the Steelers game, I feel like our DTs aren't getting pushed back as often as we think. It seems like it's the second level that's failing.

Our DE/DT outside of Baker are constantly getting turned and moved out the way with relative ease...making matter worse P. Smith and Kerrigan are not doing much on the outside to set edge. They are so focused on getting to the QB...which is fine, but when you inside guys cant stop the run and your DE are just going for the QB...its kinda setting us up to get run over

SkinsGuru · 10-03-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Our DE/DT outside of Baker are constantly getting turned and moved out the way with relative ease...making matter worse P. Smith and Kerrigan are not doing much on the outside to set edge. They are so focused on getting to the QB...which is fine, but when you inside guys cant stop the run and your DE are just going for the QB...its kinda setting us up to get run over

most of the runs killing us are right up the gut . . . NT/DT's and ILBs are the biggest reason IMO

Schneed10 · 10-03-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

It's our Wagner or Kuechly that we're missing. With the exception of the Steelers game, I feel like our DTs aren't getting pushed back as often as we think. It seems like it's the second level that's failing.

They've got to get off the blocks, that's the part that's not happening. They may be holding the line OK but if they can't disengage and hit the ball carrier, they might as well be 5 yards downfield.

calia · 10-03-2016, 02:02 PM

BTW, let's not forget -- Cleveland is actually leading the league in rushing right now. And Dallas isn't far behind. We have played very good rushing teams with excellent Olines. Not every team will have that (although I do not discount that our run D has been dreadful).

Ruhskins · 10-03-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by calia

BTW, let's not forget -- Cleveland is actually leading the league in rushing right now. And Dallas isn't far behind. We have played very good rushing teams with excellent Olines. Not every team will have that (although I do not discount that our run D has been dreadful).

Cleveland and Dallas are the top two rushing teams in the league right now.

CRedskinsRule · 10-03-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cleveland and Dallas are the top two rushing teams in the league right now.

Well we will see. The Ravens are about the same as the Giants in rush ypa, at 3.7. The Giants had 5.7 ypa average against us. I imagine Baltimore will too. The only fix I see right now, until we stop the run, is to be run blitzing and giving the CB/FS less help...

Chief X_Phackter · 10-03-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cleveland and Dallas are the top two rushing teams in the league right now.

Let's not forget that our defense helped them get to where they are today.

Ruhskins · 10-03-2016, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Let's not forget that our defense helped them get to where they are today.

They've played 4 teams now (each), I'm sure we're not the only ones that gave them all those yards.

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10-03-2016, 12:23 PM	#4
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,592	Re: The Defense Only Thread Alabama or Ohio state could probably get rushing yards on our defense. Watching the Browns just gash our defense is painful to watch. It's going to be like this all year long. The draft alone will not fix this. SM is going to have to dip into free agency come March.

10-03-2016, 12:53 PM	#6
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: The Defense Only Thread Concerning the rushing defense: “Well, we have to definitely look at ways to stop the run and find out where the holes are, I think,” Redskins head coach Jay Gruden said. (No shit, Sherlock!) “A lot of it has to do with Cleveland, man. [Joel] Bitonio and Joe Thomas had a good running game. [Isaiah] Crowell and Duke Johnson [Jr.] had a good scheme over there, so you’ve got to give credit to them, but then we have to figure out where we’re coming up short. Is it missing tackles at the second level (Yes!), is it getting off blocks (Yes!), is it getting pushed back too much on the double teams (Yes!)? We have to figure it out and figure out the answer and try to come up with some solutions.” Our run defense is simply atrocious. It's very doubtful that we can improve it very much with our current personnel and a DC who couldn't find his own ass using both hands. __________________ I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!

10-03-2016, 01:01 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: The Defense Only Thread It's our Wagner or Kuechly that we're missing. With the exception of the Steelers game, I feel like our DTs aren't getting pushed back as often as we think. It seems like it's the second level that's failing. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-03-2016, 02:02 PM	#11
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 58 Posts: 4,028	Re: The Defense Only Thread BTW, let's not forget -- Cleveland is actually leading the league in rushing right now. And Dallas isn't far behind. We have played very good rushing teams with excellent Olines. Not every team will have that (although I do not discount that our run D has been dreadful). __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

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