Looking at the draft.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

It seems like there 2 potential franchise QBs in Rosen and Darnold. Then 2 top 15 draft pick QBs in L Jackson and the OSU QB. Then 2 1-2nd round picks in Mayfield and Wyoming QB.

With Kirk gone, I think you have to go BA QB baring some crazy player falling into your lap.

Only one franchise QB, Carson Palmer has came out of USC in the past 40 years, along with dozens of guys that were drafted high and were nothing but low end starters or back-ups. USC has always been good at recruiting top notch offensive lineman, receivers, and running backs, which seem to make the QB look better than he is. Matt Leinart is a good recent example, drafted 10th overall and nothing but a borderline 3rd string NFL QB.

[skinsfaninok]

Unless you are Aaron Rodgers or maybe now Jared Goff, I would stay away from PAC 12 QB's. I was sold on Mariota but he has had an awful season despite the team being 8-5. Especially from USC, all of those guys have sucked in the NFL.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Rosen is the best QB in this class. Browns should be forced by the NFL to draft him.

Baker Mayfield is # 2. If he was a couple inches taller he'd be consensus top 5 overall pick. Someone just has to think he's more Drew Brees than Johny Manziel.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Rosen is the best QB in this class. Browns should be forced by the NFL to draft him.

Baker Mayfield is # 2. If he was a couple inches taller he'd be consensus top 5 overall pick. Someone just has to think he's more Drew Brees than Johny Manziel.

I don't understand the Manziel talk? He is a coke head, Baker isn't even close to that.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I don't understand the Manziel talk? He is a coke head, Baker isn't even close to that.

I was moreso thinking of size wise, playing style, and on field personalities. Not too many comparisons in the NFL. Not talking about off the field stuff.

If we don't keep Cousins I wouldn't be against picking him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I was moreso thinking of size wise, playing style, and on field personalities. Not too many comparisons in the NFL. Not talking about off the field stuff.

If we don't keep Cousins I wouldn't be against picking him.

I think he could be a RW type QB, I wouldn't mind taking him either.

[KI Skins Fan]

I prefer continuity but i've seen enough that I wouldn't mind major changes.

I think Dan Snyder should inform Bruce Allen that he will no longer be involved in football-related matters with the team. Then Snyder should conduct a thorough search for a true GM. The new GM will manage all departments of football operations and he will report directly to Dan Snyder.

The new GM would immediately begin working on Free Agency and the Draft.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I prefer continuity but i've seen enough that I wouldn't mind major changes.

I think Dan Snyder should inform Bruce Allen that he will no longer be involved in football-related matters with the team. Then Snyder should conduct a thorough search for a true GM. The new GM will manage all departments of football operations and he will report directly to Dan Snyder.

The new GM would immediately begin working on Free Agency and the Draft.

I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.

We will see if Dan has learned. We are very close to the Zorn/Cerrato moment. Dan can either fire BA, bring in a GM and let him hire a true HC. OR BA stays, we bring in a Zorn equivalent, and a year from now we have banners being banned again.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.

I didn't say Snyder should fire Bruce Allen. He could let Bruce continue to win off the field - and only off the field - as President of Administration, or something.

[over the mountain]

As much as Bruce rubs me the wrong way, aside from the mishandling of Cousins (which is huge but maybe a Snyder dictate), I think we have done okay with player acquisition, cap and contracts.

Snagged prime time FAs in Desean and Norman when other teams were in the hunt. Swearinger and Zach Brown have been good. I liked the Pryor signing at the time and give skins credit for only doing a 1 yr show me. I imagine a Vinny would have given him 5 years, 50 M.

Cap is in good shape. No big bad contracts on the books. Very little dead cap after this season.

How much credit/blame does he get vs Scot or Schaffer? Idk.

Contracts given out, I dont think is the problem. Of course, the mess up with Cousins is fireable by itself.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

As much as Bruce rubs me the wrong way, aside from the mishandling of Cousins (which is huge but maybe a Snyder dictate), I think we have done okay with player acquisition, cap and contracts.

Snagged prime time FAs in Desean and Norman when other teams were in the hunt. Swearinger and Zach Brown have been good. I liked the Pryor signing at the time and give skins credit for only doing a 1 yr show me. I imagine a Vinny would have given him 5 years, 50 M.

Cap is in good shape. No big bad contracts on the books. Very little dead cap after this season.

How much credit/blame does he get vs Scot or Schaffer? Idk.

Contracts given out, I dont think is the problem. Of course, the mess up with Cousins is fireable by itself.

What huge contributors has Allen brought in that are six rounders, undrafted guys, free agents that nobody else wanted that turned into game changers? It's easy to talk about Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson, and Josh Norman. But he also lost Pierre Garcon and Desean Jackson. Probably won't keep Norman the way things are going. Alfred Morris was your six round guy, but he cut him loose. Frankly put, it's easy to find the high round guys, but Allen can't find quality depth for the team, and this has been apparent when much of your starters have been injured.

So no, I don't agree that Allen has done enough to stay. He needs to be shown the door first IMO!

[skinsfan69]

I just can't get into a draft thread in December. The draft is 5 months away.

[sdskinsfan2001]

As a Skins fan, its draft season the day after the draft ends. Of course the whole conversation really can't begin until after the franchise tag deadline expires.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just can't get into a draft thread in December. The draft is 5 months away.

I usually don't but what else we got?