Looking at the draft.

[KI Skins Fan]

Is it just me or is this draft very top-heavy? I admit that didn't watch much college football this past season. It just seems that this might be one of those drafts where trading up in the early rounds might be the thing to do if there is a player the Skins really like on the board.

[SFREDSKIN]

Lucky 13 it is, Redskins win coin flip.

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington...13th-113083193

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Lucky 13 it is, Redskins win coin flip.

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington...13th-113083193

nice. Green Bay could be looking RB too...if one happened to fall there

[30gut]

Baker Mayfield.

Perfect fit for Jay's offense.

Start Colt until Colt plays himself back to the bench then put in the kid.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Baker Mayfield.

Perfect fit for Jay's offense.

Start Colt until Colt plays himself back to the bench then put in the kid.

I agree 100% and if we lose KC this is who I want, have watched him play for 3 years at OU, he is a energetic leader like a Russel Wilson as i've said before.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Baker Mayfield.

Perfect fit for Jay's offense.

Start Colt until Colt plays himself back to the bench then put in the kid.

How do you see the fit? IMO, Cousins seems to fit Jay, and Bakers game reminds me of Cousins. Cousins doesn't get the credit he deserves of being tough and being an athlete...both Baker traits. Cousins is an above average runner with the ball as well. I actually see a lot of Baker in Cousins game.

With Baker what it will come down too is accuracy and handling pressure. When Georgia turned the pressure up on Baker in the second half...it affected him. Baker faced cupped cake defenses in big 12. I think Cousins does well with pressure in his face...again above average talent with handling that aspect of the game. Baker is accurate, so is Cousins. Cousins is good when it comes to accuracy. Will Baker be with windows in the NFL vs windows in a poor defense big 12?

So, if Cousins is a proven Baker, why take the risk? Just pay the dude.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How do you see the fit?

Baker is your classic West Coast Offense QB. Quick release. Athleticism. Quick decision maker. Accurate. Not the biggest arm...but enough. Although OU's system doesn't have a lot on NFL concepts Baker is uber productive and efficient within the offense. He executes the gameplan the coach calls at a high level.

The fit for/with Jay is because Baker plays with confidence, moxie and makes plays. Baker's playmaking is an aspect the offense has been missing.

So, if Cousins is a proven Baker, why take the risk? Just pay the dude.

I don't view them as similar. And I think Cousins will be gone.

[doughtydoubter]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Baker Mayfield.

Perfect fit for Jay's offense.

Start Colt until Colt plays himself back to the bench then put in the kid.

I actually prefer Josh Allen to Baker Mayfield. Grudens system requires a disciplined QB that reads progressions and i credit a lot of Mayfields success to his supporting cast members.
Mayfield does have the ability to work off script, but he has a weak arm and his long ball is suspect.
Lets also talk about his antics and who knows how much willingness he has to be tamed, disciplined and developed into a pro ready QB?

i think Allen- would be the perfect QB for gruden to teach and mold. not saying he will be there at 13...but i think he would be perfect

[30gut]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

I actually prefer Josh Allen to Baker Mayfield. Grudens system requires a disciplined QB that reads progressions and i credit a lot of Mayfields success to his supporting cast members.
Mayfield does have the ability to work off script, but he has a weak arm and his long ball is suspect.

If you have a bias against spread QB prospects then your gonna have issues with Baker. I have no issues with spread QBs. Too many have been successful that it doesn't matter to me.

No doubt that Allen plays in a more 'pro-style' offense and will be more 'pro-ready'. But, from the cut-ups I've watched of Allen he's been scattershot and inconsistent with his accuracy. I think he should be more productive and efficient being the big man in his little conference. From a production standpoint he doesn't even match up to Brett Smith. And Allen plays with quite a bit of adlib himself...its actually one of the positives I like about Allen's game. He can move, and has a freakin hand cannon. But, he's raw.

When I look at the college prospects I chart games. The surrounding talent or lack of talent doesn't really impact my grading. If you're doing some statistical regression/projection then his cast will matter. But, I'm not.
And the supporting cast argument is another imho generic knock that gets tossed around that doesn't hold much weight. If you're the QB for a good program you're gonna play with talent. And not all QBs on good teams are even pro prospects. I think I even recall hearing the supporting cast knock against Watson.

Weak arm? Definitely disagree there.


Suspect long ball? Again completely disagree. Actually iirc he's near the top of PFF's charting when it comes to deep ball accuracy.

Also I think Baker will be around towards the bottom of the 1st maybe even top of the 2nd. Being short and playing in the spread should be enough to keep him in that range.

Lets also talk about his antics and who knows how much willingness he has to be tamed, disciplined and developed into a pro ready QB?

I have no clue. I don't even get into off the field stuff when I look at draft prospects. There is no way for me to have any clue. Guy could be a complete turd or he could just be a fun loving college kid. I went to College Park, i'm not judging anybody. I know a successful upstanding citizen that once kick in the window of car because it had a Duke sticker on it but he was 20 y/o then. Any of these prospects could be a turd/or not. I don't know.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you have a bias against spread QB prospects then your gonna have issues with Baker. I have no issues with spread QBs. Too many have been successful that it doesn't matter to me.

No doubt that Allen plays in a more 'pro-style' offense and will be more 'pro-ready'. But, from the cut-ups I've watched of Allen he's been scattershot and inconsistent with his accuracy. I think he should be more productive and efficient being the big man in his little conference. From a production standpoint he doesn't even match up to Brett Smith. And Allen plays with quite a bit of adlib himself...its actually one of the positives I like about Allen's game. He can move, and has a freakin hand cannon. But, he's raw.

When I look at the college prospects I chart games. The surrounding talent or lack of talent doesn't really impact my grading. If you're doing some statistical regression/projection then his cast will matter. But, I'm not.
And the supporting cast argument is another imho generic knock that gets tossed around that doesn't hold much weight. If you're the QB for a good program you're gonna play with talent. And not all QBs on good teams are even pro prospects. I think I even recall hearing the supporting cast knock against Watson.

Weak arm? Definitely disagree there.


Suspect long ball? Again completely disagree. Actually iirc he's near the top of PFF's charting when it comes to deep ball accuracy.

Also I think Baker will be around towards the bottom of the 1st maybe even top of the 2nd. Being short and playing in the spread should be enough to keep him in that range.

I have no clue. I don't even get into off the field stuff when I look at draft prospects. There is no way for me to have any clue. Guy could be a complete turd or he could just be a fun loving college kid. I went to College Park, i'm not judging anybody. I know a successful upstanding citizen that once kick in the window of car because it had a Duke sticker on it but he was 20 y/o then. Any of these prospects could be a turd/or not. I don't know.

Yeah Baker has a good arm, I didn't get that either lol, I've seen every game he's played and he can throw the long ball

[metalskins]

Mayfield is not going to be at 13.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Give me Roquan Smith. Him and Zach Brown flying around sounds amazballs.

[Chico23231]

Really interested to see if the Georgia RBs can have success against the Bama defense. Both these guys are 1-2nd round guys. I like Chubb.

That Alabama DT Da'ron Payne showed his ass against Clemson with some big plays. Eager to see how he plays tonight.

^SDskins, I think Roquan Smith is a lil over rated. I also think that DT from Washington that everyone loves is as well.

[bigant]

stay away from mayfield not that good,, love the guard nelson from ND safety james from fsu, vita vea from washington,payne bama,giuce from lsu ,love chubb or michel from georgia Or lb smith from ga,obviously barkley but don,t think he will be there

[skinsfaninok]

we haven't had a true factor back since CP