The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[Meks]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Well, yeah different interviews earlier. But look at even the interview posted elsewhere, where McCloughan says that Kirk is "not special", and then goes on to say this about Kirk (Link embedded)


“He’s talented,” McCloughan said. “Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall isn’t over .500. I know he hasn’t won a playoff game. But he’s competitive. He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building, he’s always watching tape, he’s always talking to coaches, he [was] talking to me. From the standpoint of the tangibles, they’re excellent. You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35-40 times to win the game. You want to have a running game, and have a good defense, good teams. And then let him do what he does.”

Two areas of Cousins’ game that don’t get talked about enough are his mobility and an ability to overcome adversity. McCloughan landed on both those points on Thursday.

“The thing about him that’s unique, and you don’t see it too often, he’s a pretty good athlete with his legs,” McCloughan said. “He can make plays moving around the pocket and running for first downs. He’s got a strong enough arm, there’s no doubt about it. He’s been through adversity. He got drafted the same year that Robert Griffin got drafted. And Robert was the guy and of course he deserved it. He was Offensive Rookie of the Year and Kirk just had to sit back and just wait and wait and wait.

“He wants to play. He’s highly, highly competitive. He comes across as a real nice guy, like Alex Smith did in interviews — and they are. But they’re both highly competitive and they want to win. But they want that stability too. They want to know they’re in some spot where it’s not just a one-year deal, one-year deal, one-year deal. He wants a long-term deal.”

It should be noted that it is somewhat bizarre that McCloughan would so vociferously complement Cousins, after saying that the signal-caller isn't special. Most of the verbiage the former GM used to complement Cousins paints the picture of a 'special' QB.

So according to McCloughan, not special, but talented and works his tail off. And with all the other compliments McC threw Kirks way, like the article author I'm wondering if Kirk isn't special, would you call him almost special or not-quite-special? Still a very good QB according to McC, IMO.

The first year his contract came up, the Skins made a business decision not committing to Kirk. In hindsight it was a bad decision in every way, morale wise and financially. Can you blame Kirk and his agent making business decisions since then that have worked out fantastically for Kirk? (and agent of course LOL). Forget any vitriol, you can look at this situation as the way that the Redskins front office wanted to play it, or just business as usual in the NFL where the two sides can't agree for whatever reason, or other ways without blaming Kirk. (I hope we agree that given Snyder and Allens history of bungling, they don't deserve the benefit of a doubt now.)

On your points, I feel like you are assigning hard feelings to Kirk that may not exist.



1. Yeah that's the business decision the Skins made. IMO they told Kirk "prove it", and he did. Haven't heard of any bitterness or hard feelings on Kirks part, have you?

2. Dunno about favorite, but has there been any friction between Gruden and Cousins, again I haven't heard of any.

3. TFB, Tom Freakin Brady, would only do so much on this team, well short of Superbowls, IMHO. I understand QBs are judged partly on team success, but I think Kirks resume outweighs this teams record by a long shot. Look how well he did here when we had Garcon and Jackson.

4. Perfectly justified and reasonable for a player to do so, especially after they have been tagged twice, regardless of their personal relationship to the team.

This would have more to do with the coach than the player in this situation.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Meks

This would have more to do with the coach than the player in this situation.

I don't know what you mean.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I don't know what you mean.

I think he's saying what I just said too, namely, the Offense this year probably reflects better on Gruden than Cousins when you think about it. There have been a number of good WRs that have been made to look like straight ballers by an elite QB, This was not the case this year with Cousins. Your point would be more effective if say Ryan Grant looked like Garcon. Instead, it would seem, on the surface at least, that good game planning and scheming to get players open from every skill position had more to do with it than Cousins' skill.

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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WillH

I think he's saying what I just said too, namely, the Offense this year probably reflects better on Gruden than Cousins when you think about it. There have been a number of good WRs that have been made to look like straight ballers by an elite QB, This was not the case this year with Cousins. Your point would be more effective if say Ryan Grant looked like Garcon. Instead, it would seem, on the surface at least, that good game planning and scheming to get players open from every skill position had more to do with it than Cousins' skill.

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Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

Fair point, but I don't think he elevated them from crap to pedestrian even.

Again, I disagree about Brady (maybe not the fairest comparison), he gets good production from pedestrian WRs, it's what he does:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.2964308

I still think more credit should go to Gruden in scheming his pedestrian players open, but Cousins did execute it and deserves credit for it. Also, Gruden is just as much 7-9 as Cousins. The difference is that he's not made public comments about it being unfair to judge him on it.

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by WillH

Again, I disagree about Brady (maybe not the fairest comparison), he gets good production from pedestrian WRs, it's what he does:
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/good-tom-brady-receiving-corps-article-1.2964308[/url

No. He gets good production from really freaking smart, versatile receivers who can run every route, inside and out and can also read coverages. They prioritize intelligence over raw talent.

http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan-podcasts/

Listen to 1-17-18 hour 3. The name of the segment is why the patriot receivers are always open.

Our 1 this year Doctson, only knew one receiver position. Or receiver corps was truly pathetic.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

No. He gets good production from really freaking smart, versatile recovers who can run every route, inside and out and can also read coverages.

http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-ke...ehan-podcasts/

Listen to 1-17-18 hour 3. The name of the segment is why the patriot receivers are always open.

Our 1 this year Doctson, only knew one receiver position. Or receiver corps was truly pathetic.

Ok, either way, he did have numbers despite a lack of talent at receiver, but just like you're argument about Brady's receivers it comes down to coaches coaching and scheming these guys open. Cousins didn't have great WRs but he had a back, a slot, and two TEs that were playmakers and a coach scheming them and the backups open. Cousins had a few more baller plays this year where he kept plays alive with his legs, but he wasn't carrying the team on his shoulders by having to create something from nothing, instead he needed to trust the system find the open man and get it out quickly. He did that very well.

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