The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WillH

I think he's saying what I just said too, namely, the Offense this year probably reflects better on Gruden than Cousins when you think about it. There have been a number of good WRs that have been made to look like straight ballers by an elite QB, This was not the case this year with Cousins. Your point would be more effective if say Ryan Grant looked like Garcon. Instead, it would seem, on the surface at least, that good game planning and scheming to get players open from every skill position had more to do with it than Cousins' skill.

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Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Good WR's, you say? That's where your argument falls apart. We didn't have any good WR's. Whatzizname from the Browns was one starting WR and he didn't do squat. He was a total bust who didn't have a single good game. He was on pace to break Rod "50/50" Gardner's team record for dropped passes until Jay Gruden crazy-glued his ass to the bench.

Doctson, the second year rookie who was the other starting WR, had a terrible season. He couldn't get separation, his route running was pathetically bad, and he dropped what would have been the winning TD pass against the Chiefs, among his other faults. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that he is as soft as Charmin and he was regularly bullied by corners.

Grant stepped up and did as well as he can, which is average. I don't mean to knock him because he played hard and contributed but he is a career backup type.

The guy from Duke had a poor year based on the standard he set for himself in previous seasons. He's really a slot receiver, anyway.

Nobody else got any run to speak of.

Not even Tom Brady could have elevated that group.

Fair point, but I don't think he elevated them from crap to pedestrian even.

Again, I disagree about Brady (maybe not the fairest comparison), he gets good production from pedestrian WRs, it's what he does:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.2964308

I still think more credit should go to Gruden in scheming his pedestrian players open, but Cousins did execute it and deserves credit for it. Also, Gruden is just as much 7-9 as Cousins. The difference is that he's not made public comments about it being unfair to judge him on it.

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by WillH

Again, I disagree about Brady (maybe not the fairest comparison), he gets good production from pedestrian WRs, it's what he does:
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/good-tom-brady-receiving-corps-article-1.2964308[/url

No. He gets good production from really freaking smart, versatile receivers who can run every route, inside and out and can also read coverages. They prioritize intelligence over raw talent.

http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan-podcasts/

Listen to 1-17-18 hour 3. The name of the segment is why the patriot receivers are always open.

Our 1 this year Doctson, only knew one receiver position. Or receiver corps was truly pathetic.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

No. He gets good production from really freaking smart, versatile recovers who can run every route, inside and out and can also read coverages.

http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-ke...ehan-podcasts/

Listen to 1-17-18 hour 3. The name of the segment is why the patriot receivers are always open.

Our 1 this year Doctson, only knew one receiver position. Or receiver corps was truly pathetic.

Ok, either way, he did have numbers despite a lack of talent at receiver, but just like you're argument about Brady's receivers it comes down to coaches coaching and scheming these guys open. Cousins didn't have great WRs but he had a back, a slot, and two TEs that were playmakers and a coach scheming them and the backups open. Cousins had a few more baller plays this year where he kept plays alive with his legs, but he wasn't carrying the team on his shoulders by having to create something from nothing, instead he needed to trust the system find the open man and get it out quickly. He did that very well.

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