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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Nobody is saying Fuck the constitution or liberty or freedom. There are myriad of democracies across several continents that have looked at the flaws of our system and made it to fit the needs of an evolving society yet we can't for many reasons.

What we are saying is the amendments created in an agrarian society by some erudite honkies do not necessarily fit the needs of our modern society. There were plenty of things they got right but way more they got wrong. Yes some of that was altered in future amendments but we are still paying a societal cost.

I love the idea of being able to amend the constitution but I think we all know that ship has sailed in the current political landscape. It gets highly frustrating when legislation is suggested that fit the needs of a modern society and has overwhelming support it can't pass because politicians will say it violates the constitution. Well no this is what we the American people want. We tell you we want it and the politicians of the United States chose not to. The law of the land should fit our needs not a narrative. Look no further than universal background checks. 80% of Americans want it including 72% of NRA members. Yet it will never pass the senate.

The argument we have it better than most so just be happy with it doesn't hold. We don't even have the best democracy on our continent any more. This doesn't mean I should be forced to leave because I disagree with you. My family has sacrificed a lot for you to be that hateful towards your fellow Americans to tell us to GTFOH, we have tried to make it a better place for more Americans but there is a long way to go. Our politicians need to start listening to the constituents instead of their interests or we will never deviate from the norm.

I'm sorry (not sorry), but if you tell me that you are envious of other countries that can just make whatever laws they want, without caring about the principles this great nation was founded upon, then yeah - you are basically saying Fuck the Constitution. Spin that however you want to, but that is basically - exactly - what you are saying.

And my man, I know a little bit about sacrifice. I served 22 years, with multiple deployments for you to have your hateful attitude, and I have continued to serve Veterans and this country for the last 10+ years. I will always stand for the Flag, and I stand by my GTFO suggestion. Not because (or if) you disagree with me, because that's what being an American is all about. But if you subscribe to the thinking that you don't care about what the Founding Fathers might think - and let's just make whatever laws we want without worrying about that little thing called the Constitution? Then yes - move along. If there's somewhere else on this continent or any other continent that has a democracy that suits you better, that is a more than logical place for you to go.

I'm sure you have heard of the "passion of the times" argument - that the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution with the intent to prevent future generations from attempting to rule based on the passion of the times? Well, this is our time. There have been "times" before us, and there will be "times" after us. But this is OUR time to do what WE can to preserve the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. It's our time to decide whether we are going to do what we can to limit government or expand it; and our time to appoint Judges who will make decisions that are consistent with the Constitution, instead of creating legislation.

More often than not, I think that even though we have significant opposing views on some subjects, in the end we all mostly want the same thing, for ourselves and for our future generations. I just hope that our collective ignorance and short-sightedness doesn't make it so that our children and grand children can't enjoy the same United States of America that we have. That is really my hope - for all of us.

“We The People”

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

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And my man, I know a little bit about sacrifice. I served 22 years, with multiple deployments for you to have your hateful attitude, and I have continued to serve Veterans and this country for the last 10+ years. I will always stand for the Flag, and I stand by my GTFO suggestion. Not because (or if) you disagree with me, because that's what being an American is all about. But if you subscribe to the thinking that you don't care about what the Founding Fathers might think - and let's just make whatever laws we want without worrying about that little thing called the Constitution? Then yes - move along. If there's somewhere else on this continent or any other continent that has a democracy that suits you better, that is a more than logical place for you to go.



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I'm speaking for myself here, lets be clear!

1) Thank you for your service!

2) Your service doesn't make you a better American then any one else.

3)The Constitution is a "living document", it is suppose to change with the times and as the Country changes. Not just to be used when people want more guns.
4) It was was written by Old White Plantation Owners who thought Women and Blacks weren't human when they wrote "we the People" they meant themselves. Almost 250 years ago, think about it.

5) Stop the proud boy BS.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I'm speaking for myself here, lets be clear!

1) Thank you for your service!

2) Your service doesn't make you a better American then any one else.

3)The Constitution is a "living document", it is suppose to change with the times and as the Country changes. Not just to be used when people want more guns.

4) It was was written by Old White Plantation Owners who thought Women and Blacks weren't human when they wrote "we the People" they meant themselves. Almost 250 years ago, think about it.

5) Stop the proud boy BS.

1) Thank you.

2) I never said, and never would say, that my service makes me a better American than anyone else. We were talking about sacrifice and what I stand for. Why do you always put words in people's mouths?

3) I agree the Constitution is a living document, but that doesn't mean we should abandon it's basic principles. The fact is, it has been amended 27 times. It's not easy to do, but it's not supposed to be easy to do.

4) The Founding Fathers weren't perfect. Everybody knows that. They weren't all "old white plantation owners" either. Most of them were in their 30s and 40s when the Constitution was written. And while some of them were slave owners, I don't believe they thought that blacks and women weren't "human". That's your opinion based on zero objective evidence - not fact.

5) I'm proud, and I'm a boy... but I'm no Proud Boy. Why must you always be so insulting and presumptive? Are you incapable of having a debate without being so? It's very unbecoming.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

1) Thank you.

2) I never said, and never would say, that my service makes me a better American than anyone else. We were talking about sacrifice and what I stand for. Why do you always put words in people's mouths?

3) I agree the Constitution is a living document, but that doesn't mean we should abandon it's basic principles. The fact is, it has been amended 27 times. It's not easy to do, but it's not supposed to be easy to do.

4) The Founding Fathers weren't perfect. Everybody knows that. They weren't all "old white plantation owners" either. Most of them were in their 30s and 40s when the Constitution was written. And while some of them were slave owners, I don't believe they thought that blacks and women weren't "human". That's your opinion based on zero objective evidence - not fact.

5) I'm proud, and I'm a boy... but I'm no Proud Boy. Why must you always be so insulting and presumptive? Are you incapable of having a debate without being so? It's very unbecoming.

Well if I'm wrong I apologize but in the response to BS you come off as very,very "proud boy like".

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Well if I'm wrong I apologize but in the response to BS you come off as very,very "proud boy like".

That's ridiculous. You seriously just make shit up as you go along.

Exactly which part of my response to BS is "proud boy like"?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

That's ridiculous. You seriously just make shit up as you go along.

Exactly which part of my response to BS is "proud boy like"?

"I'm sorry (not sorry), but if you tell me that you are envious of other countries that can just make whatever laws they want, without caring about the principles this great nation was founded upon, then yeah - you are basically saying Fuck the Constitution. Spin that however you want to, but that is basically - exactly - what you are saying.

And my man, I know a little bit about sacrifice. I served 22 years, with multiple deployments for you to have your hateful attitude, and I have continued to serve Veterans and this country for the last 10+ years. I will always stand for the Flag, and I stand by my GTFO suggestion. Not because (or if) you disagree with me, because that's what being an American is all about. But if you subscribe to the thinking that you don't care about what the Founding Fathers might think - and let's just make whatever laws we want without worrying about that little thing called the Constitution? Then yes - move along. If there's somewhere else on this continent or any other continent that has a democracy that suits you better, that is a more than logical place for you to go.

I'm sure you have heard of the "passion of the times" argument - that the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution with the intent to prevent future generations from attempting to rule based on the passion of the times? Well, this is our time. There have been "times" before us, and there will be "times" after us. But this is OUR time to do what WE can to preserve the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. It's our time to decide whether we are going to do what we can to limit government or expand it; and our time to appoint Judges who will make decisions that are consistent with the Constitution, instead of creating legislation."

[Giantone]

love it or leave it , right? Agree or FU , right?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

"I'm sorry (not sorry), but if you tell me that you are envious of other countries that can just make whatever laws they want, without caring about the principles this great nation was founded upon, then yeah - you are basically saying Fuck the Constitution. Spin that however you want to, but that is basically - exactly - what you are saying.

And my man, I know a little bit about sacrifice. I served 22 years, with multiple deployments for you to have your hateful attitude, and I have continued to serve Veterans and this country for the last 10+ years. I will always stand for the Flag, and I stand by my GTFO suggestion. Not because (or if) you disagree with me, because that's what being an American is all about. But if you subscribe to the thinking that you don't care about what the Founding Fathers might think - and let's just make whatever laws we want without worrying about that little thing called the Constitution? Then yes - move along. If there's somewhere else on this continent or any other continent that has a democracy that suits you better, that is a more than logical place for you to go.

I'm sure you have heard of the "passion of the times" argument - that the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution with the intent to prevent future generations from attempting to rule based on the passion of the times? Well, this is our time. There have been "times" before us, and there will be "times" after us. But this is OUR time to do what WE can to preserve the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. It's our time to decide whether we are going to do what we can to limit government or expand it; and our time to appoint Judges who will make decisions that are consistent with the Constitution, instead of creating legislation."

Ok. That is what I figured. So basically you have no idea what the Proud Boys are all about.