The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

Wrong. If you are looking for Casey Bramlet to outperform Mark Brunell....I, I can't even finish this sentence. The 3-6 week injury is a perfect situation for a guy like Brunell to start in. Like, I don't think I could have dreamed up a more benefical situation for MB's career. Watch the highlight reels.

There is nothing about Bramlet...at all.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

Exactly.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.

It was last year and the year before that...by every possible measure. Will we win those 5 games? Not if the defense plays like it did this year. Then again, if the defense doesn't play better, it doesn't matter who plays QB.

[hooskins]

Also like others have said Ratty vs. Brunell for 2nd string seems like an interesting battle. Much better than Collins vs. Brunell.

Also why is this in the Draft section?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Also why is this in the Draft section?

Thanks for noticing, I just moved it.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It was last year and the year before that...by every possible measure. Will we win those 5 games? Not if the defense plays like it did this year. Then again, if the defense doesn't play better, it doesn't matter who plays QB.

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

I have to diagree with that, the sooner we get a legitamate backup in here the sooner he can start learning the system and the players around him, unless someone believes that Campbell can lead us to a SB this season [because we know Brunell can't] then it's senseless to keep him around this season, we have to prepare for the future not worry about winning 1 or 2 extra games if Campbell goes down, because with Brunell those 1 or 2 games will result in a lesser draft pick not a playoff berth.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

3-6 w/ Brunell. 2-5 w/ JC. Is the difference really that big?

[hooskins]

Again most people do not realize the significance of TURNOVERS. Last year we were last in league in generating turnovers. The year before we were in the top 5 towards the end of the season.

It is really simple, the more turnovers you create.
-more times you get the ball.
-more chances to score
-less pressure on the QB to drive the team all the way down the field into scoring position
-less time the D is on the field for one drive. They get off quicker and get some time to rest.


The NFL is a turnover game. You have to be winning the turnover ratio consistently to win games. It really doesn't matter who your QB is if you are winning in turnovers.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Again most people do not realize the significance of TURNOVERS. Last year we were last in league in generating turnovers. The year before we were in the top 5 towards the end of the season.

It is really simple, the more turnovers you create.
-more times you get the ball.
-more chances to score
-less pressure on the QB to drive the team all the way down the field into scoring position
-less time the D is on the field for one drive. They get off quicker and get some time to rest.


The NFL is a turnover game. You have to be winning the turnover ratio consistently to win games. It really doesn't matter who your QB is if you are winning in turnovers.

Exactly. When I said "assuming the defense is better," winning the turnover battle was included. D has gotta play better or nothing else will matter very much.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Exactly. When I said "assuming the defense is better," winning the turnover battle was included. D has gotta play better or nothing else will matter very much.

I agree, yet so many people seem to put last season solely on the the shoulders of Brunell which is just unfair.