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[MTK]

Why should the bible be the end all authority on religion?

Who really knows who's right or who's wrong??

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why should the bible be the end all authority on religion?

Who really knows who's right or who's wrong??

DING DING DING DING.

SBF, fact is you have no actual basis for saying you're right. When it comes down to it you have absolutely no clue if your beliefs are accurate. No one does. This isn't a dig on you, or other Christians out there. It's your right for you to believe what you like, but for you to sit there and try to tell me you're 100% right is ignorant. You have no way to back that up, as we always say “post a link.” I’m sure you can think of multiple bible versus that you can quote to that, where I can also grab plenty from the Koran and other holy scriptures that say the same type of thing. I simply hate people that try to push religion on me or someone that uses their religion to backup everything they do and say.

As far as what I said in the other thread, I stick by it still. If you don't like what someone says, why can't you ignore it SBF? I find people that I disagree with on a regular basis, but if I asked for their posts to be deleted there would be at least 4 less members here (and in case you're wondering, you're not included!). Why can't you just say "I disagree and here's how I feel." Whining gets old to me, especially someone who I believe (may be wrong and search has a 90 second cooldown and I misspelled your name) you've referred to the whining of liberals/etc on multiple occasions, but I know I’m not alone in finding many of your off-topic posts whining about something or someone.

Calm down some, realize the only person you can control and understand is yourself and relax. Here’s a verse from GZA that I think is something we all forget:

Originally Posted by GZA

calling on his name and screaming alleluia
when he hardly knew ya
that's how the devil fooled ya
see look into my eyes breverand
that's the lies of a reverend
why should you die to go to heaven
the earth is already in space
the bible I embrace

That’s a song based on him finding religion (The GZA – Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, or BIBLE) However, he makes a great point. People forget to live their lives sometimes.

I guess the main gist of my post is to say this: let some things slide. In this world no one knows who’s right or wrong, and like nearly everything else it’s grey area. There are few things that are black and white when it comes to making decisions.

Just assume you died, and found out you were following the wrong religion, that say the Koran was the correct book, do you feel that you should be condemned to an eternity of hell[or equivalent] because you made the wrong choice without the facts on Earth? This is just a hypothetical question, I’m very curious to see how you answer it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Just assume you died, and found out you were following the wrong religion, that say the Koran was the correct book, do you feel that you should be condemned to an eternity of hell[or equivalent] because you made the wrong choice without the facts on Earth? This is just a hypothetical question, I’m very curious to see how you answer it.

very good question

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

very good question

People have the idea that people embrace Christianity for purely selfish reasons. That is to get into Heaven. To have after-life insurance. There are plenty like that to be sure, but there are also many who were living in Hell on Earth before they found Jesus and follow Him for quite practical, down to earth reasons. Life is better than it was before. So, if I die and there is nothing I still will have been better off and if the Muslims are right I would rather be cast into outer darkness than spend eternity with a gloating Bin-Ladin.

It's a waste of time to engage religion on the level of reason. It is by nature unreasonable. It passes understanding. It is a gut-level experience which places it beyond the reach of many. I'm afraid I'm turining into a Calvinist.

[Daseal]

Yes there is, you just do not realize it, nor do you recognize him. I want to ask you three questions. First, do you know that gravity exists? Yes, and you have witnessed its effects? Third, have you in your lifetime, or anybody's lifetime ever witnessed any monkey turning into a human being? I didn't think so. If you arent going to shut up then at least give God his glory!

Wow. What an awful post. First of all, evolution is something that goes over thousands and thousands of years, second of all you made absolutely no mention of there being proof of god. You can ignore all the evidence of evolution if you want, but it might be best to keep it to yourself.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Wow. What an awful post. First of all, evolution is something that goes over thousands and thousands of years, second of all you made absolutely no mention of there being proof of god. You can ignore all the evidence of evolution if you want, but it might be best to keep it to yourself.

What evidence? Do you accecpt being the offspring of nothing but maybe pondwater? Second of all the world is only 6000+ years old. Try me on this if you will, but everyone who has ever tried to disprove God has failed and ended up beliving in the first place. Can you come up with "factual evidence" that I am wrong and that God doesn't exist? No, you cannot, you can only regergatate what has been impounded into your head as truth. In actuallity it is a Theory, or ones belief, a lie or a myth that has been spoken to you since birth! In other words it is your religion!

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by angryssg

What evidence? Do you accecpt being the offspring of nothing but maybe pondwater? Second of all the world is only 6000+ years old. Try me on this if you will, but everyone who has ever tried to disprove God has failed and ended up beliving in the first place. Can you come up with "factual evidence" that I am wrong and that God doesn't exist? No, you cannot, you can only regergatate what has been impounded into your head as truth. In actuallity it is a Theory, or ones belief, a lie or a myth that has been spoken to you since birth! In other words it is your religion!

One last thing on this Angry. This is a really weak take. It is not up to nonbelievers to prove that God doesn't exist, anymore than it is incumbent upon you to prove that I am not God, or that my neighbor can't fly, or that Venus is not made of silver, or any other infinite possibilities. What science does is look at observable evidence and try to come up with the best possible explanation based upon that. It doesn't purport to "prove" anything, only construct the best story. Often science is incorrect, but it will always be superior to religion as a method of interpreting reality because it requires no leap in judgment or suspension of rationality, and because it offers the simplest most logical explanation based upon observation and consensus.

Please reference 70 chip's post which I think makes a great point. Religion is a personal phenomenon that exists beyond reason. Gut level is what it is, I believe he says. If you are moved to believe in it that is fine, but if you try to invoke the language of science to argue that it is an equally plausible explanation for our reality, you will fail.

Finally, people often say that certain things are only "theories" and act as if they have made a good point, when they have not. In science something begins as a hypothesis. Once this hypothesis has been sufficiently investigated, and the majority of other scientists have accepted its conclusions, it becomes a theory, which means that it is accepted as the best possible explanation available. Even when the proof of such a theory becomes overwhelming, it will always be a theory. It is the strongest support the scientific community can bestow upon an argument. So again, believe in religion if you will, that's fine, but don't call something a theory and act as if that is an indictment of its believed veracity, because the opposite is true.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Wow. What an awful post. First of all, evolution is something that goes over thousands and thousands of years, second of all you made absolutely no mention of there being proof of god. You can ignore all the evidence of evolution if you want, but it might be best to keep it to yourself.

Why so quick to dismiss one arguably incomplete explination (biblical creation), and buy another (evolution)?

Open-mindedness is the best possible way to approach the theory of evolution, but that would require one to be willing to potentially reject an incomplete theory. By all means correct me if I'm wrong Daseal, but what makes Angry's assumption that evolution is false any less awful that your assumption that the bible was fabricated?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why so quick to dismiss one arguably incomplete explination (biblical creation), and buy another (evolution)?

Open-mindedness is the best possible way to approach the theory of evolution, but that would require one to be willing to potentially reject an incomplete theory. By all means correct me if I'm wrong Daseal, but what makes Angry's assumption that evolution is false any less awful that your assumption that the bible was fabricated?

It's not about anything being awful, it's about what's true. Moreover, it's not enough to argue that a theory is incomplete, you must also proffer a better explanation based on observable evidence, which no one has been able to do to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This is what so many religious people just don't understand: pointing out flaws in evolutionary theory without offering a better theory based on scientific standards constitutes an incomplete argument.

If you want to believe in religion fine, but don't act like it's equally plausible based on testable scientific observation because it's not.

[KLHJ2]

There is, and He will, but you have got to know and understand the truth my brotha.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by angryssg

There is, and He will, but you have got to know and understand the truth my brotha.

Not happening. There is no hope for me. I reject the Bible on all levels and don't believe that God exists. I will never find God because the sensibility and rationality that I was born with won't allow me to. I choose to live my life by my own moral code, not the Bible's (which is why I didn't stone to death this little kid today who was on my porch). So it's going to be a long hot eternity. But wave to me when you are driving your Corvette in the sky.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Not happening. There is no hope for me. I reject the Bible on all levels and don't believe that God exists. I will never find God because the sensibility and rationality that I was born with won't allow me to. I choose to live my life by my own moral code, not the Bible's (which is why I didn't stone to death this little kid today who was on my porch). So it's going to be a long hot eternity. But wave to me when you are driving your Corvette in the sky.

You know that you can be drivig a Corvette in the sky too! As for me I will be driving an Aerial Atom.

[saden1]

If you can believe in being able to drive beautiful cars in the sky why not take the leap of faith and believe in 70 beautiful virgins? Better yet, deflatable and potable 70 virgins that can fit into the trunk of a car. I'm thinking, you can say "I'm Horny" and they all inflate, come to life, and proceed to please a man in ways we can't possibly imagine. When they are done servicing you they deflate and go back to the trunk of the car and you drive into the sunset.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

If you can believe in being able to drive beautiful cars in the sky why not take the leap of faith and believe in 70 beautiful virgins? Better yet, deflatable and potable 70 virgins that can fit into the trunk of a car. I'm thinking, you can say "I'm Horny" and they all inflate, come to life, and proceed to please a man in ways we can't possibly imagine. When they are done servicing you they deflate and go back to the trunk of the car and you drive into the sunset.

Your idea of heaven is being able to put women in your trunk after sex? Paging Dr. Lecter. Paging Dr. Lecter.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Your idea of heaven is being able to put women in your trunk after sex? Paging Dr. Lecter. Paging Dr. Lecter.

Not if you put it like that...lol

I just thought if heave provides perks, 70 virgins would be an in demand perk and probably doable by the almighty god. Them being inflatable is just a bonus.